Vfacts November 2018 - Page 8

Vesper Martini · 19-12-2018, 03:55 PM

So not so new ecoblue, as its been marketed, it was already in the Edge

https://www.caradvice.com.au/438106/...ines-revealed/

Vesper Martini · 19-12-2018, 04:26 PM

I'm reading our Endura promises 6.7L/100 is that right?

Base model X5 with its 2L (170kw twin turbo) diesel suggests 5.5L/100 which admittedly seems pretty ambitious

Bossxr8 · 19-12-2018, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I'm reading our Endura promises 6.7L/100 is that right?

Base model X5 with its 2L (170kw twin turbo) diesel suggests 5.5L/100 which admittedly seems pretty ambitious

Correct.

**Raptor** · 19-12-2018, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

As a matter of interest, Ford Aust has said they got feedback from Territory owners on things like using the same name on an imported vehicle, what type of future vehicle buyers would like, and so on...now I've owned quite a few Territory's and amongst my extended family a "small car yard" in numbers over the years and not one has been asked a thing from Ford on future product planning. Has anyone here been involved in this research. From memory the new car buyers survey that is sent out never covered these topics either and I've completed a few as well.

Maybe they read the forums

I was one of many that said loud and clearly they should show some respect and put the Territory name to bed along with Falcon. If it's replacement was not to be made here (as a Falcon derivative) then it IS NOT a Territory.

One of the few occasions they may have listened to a previous buyer.

To quote myself;

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Originally Posted by Raptor

I don't mind the Edge and I do think it's the right car for the market now they also have the larger Everest.

But the Edge is not a Territory the same way a Mondeo or Taurus is not a Falcon.

The Territory name plate should also be retired IMHO to allow it to be remembered as Australia's only home grown crossover (SUV), and a great one at that.

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**Fordman1** · 19-12-2018, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

So not so new ecoblue, as its been marketed, it was already in the Edge

https://www.caradvice.com.au/438106/...ines-revealed/

Read the GoAuto article, it says a bit more Bev.

Vesper Martini · 19-12-2018, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Read the GoAuto article, it says a bit more Bev.

I did,

"Mr Henker said the Panther engine family, from which the Endura’s unit is derived, can be customised at factory, with this process resulting in the Australian-market solution."

My take on this is they could easily get the engine in different Guise's.
just like the UK have 3 variations, their ST gets the bi turbo..

we get one variant.

**Fordman1** · 19-12-2018, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I did,

"Mr Henker said the Panther engine family, from which the Endura’s unit is derived, can be customised at factory, with this process resulting in the Australian-market solution."

My take on this is they could easily get the engine in different Guise's.
just like the UK have 3 variations, their ST gets the bi turbo..

we get one variant.

ST-Line, the ST is North America only with the 2.7 Ecoboost.

jpd80 · 20-12-2018, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I'm reading our Endura promises 6.7L/100 is that right?

Base model X5 with its 2L (170kw twin turbo) diesel suggests 5.5L/100 which admittedly seems pretty ambitious

Just like cheating on diesel emissions, there's been a lot of fudging gong on with getting best possible FE figures.
Not saying that this is the case with the X5 but if you think about it, 5.5 l/100 km combined is a bit out there for an X5.

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My take on this is they could easily get the engine in different Guise's.
just like the UK have 3 variations, their ST gets the bi turbo..

we get one variant.

Every variant of Endura costs money to develop, I see this as a low cost toe in the water to gauge interest.
I bet this engine was offered to FoA because it was an easy almost off the shelf completed tune.

**Fordman1** · 20-12-2018, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Just like cheating on diesel emissions, there's been a lot of fudging gong on with getting best possible FE figures.
Not saying that this is the case with the X5 but if you think about it, 5.5 l/100 km combined is a bit out there for an X5.

Every variant of Endura costs money to develop, I see this as a low cost toe in the water to gauge interest.
I bet this engine was offered to FoA because it was an easy almost off the shelf completed tune.

Yep I agree, sounds like a way to get cost out of the vehicle to me.

jpd80 · 20-12-2018, 05:15 PM

It's interesting that in the new UK versions are150 PS (111 Kw) and 238 PS (177 Kw)
are more extreme than the previous 180 PS (134 Kw) and 210 PS (157 Kw)

Sprintey · 20-12-2018, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I guess I fall into that category, 3 Terry's thinking about next vehicle as our daughter will start learner driving next year and I'll hand one down to her...I used to head off to the local Ford dealer, hand over my options list, sign the sales contract and pay $1000 deposit...did it for 6 vehicles including the 3 Terry's...longest I took was 60mins because eftpos terminal was down and I sat down and had a coffee...the Endura in this powertrain spec doesn't raise much interest...I want better performance than the Terry in an SUV for my own next vehicle and for the first time I'm on Carsales comparing with other brands...Ford have a spec built in RHD not entertained for OZ and where are the motoring press asking questions like what you raise jpd80, vehicle name choice, powertrain specs..etc that we the actual buyers would like to have answered.

P.S. And before anyone chimes in saying wait a sec the Endura isn't out yet so don't bag it's performance...my comeback is I've watched every Youtube review of the US Edge ST V6 petrol, I know what the performance on the Territory is now, I have read up on some opposition vehicles and the Endura in tdi 140kW/440Nm spec is a let down when you factor in Ford Oz is going to charge a premium.

Dr Smith if you are looking at other brands, I'd suggest the Jag F-Pace is spiritual successor to the Territory. I know price points are different. It has the SUV, the 7 seats iirc, the great handling, full time AWD, and option of a performance petrol motor.

Just read the Endura review, and no 7 seats, fwd model featuring torque steer on test, 700kg less tow capacity, and 2.2m width with mirrors serves to show just what a hard act the Territory is to follow.

Dr Smith · 20-12-2018, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Dr Smith if you are looking at other brands, I'd suggest the Jag F-Pace is spiritual successor to the Territory. I know price points are different. It has the SUV, the 7 seats iirc, the great handling, full time AWD, and option of a performance petrol motor.

Just read the Endura review, and no 7 seats, fwd model featuring torque steer on test, 700kg less tow capacity, and 2.2m width with mirrors serves to show just what a hard act the Territory is to follow.

There are quite a few euro brands at the top end of Endura pricing.