Toyota 86 price $29,990! - Page 39

**Mechan1k** · 19-08-2012, 07:49 PM

Saw one the other day in Burwood (NSW) .... was in a similar colour to the Ford Sunburst ... looked pretty nice ... my better half asked what it was as she had never seen one before.

Agreed ... they look better IRL than a lot of the "stock" images show.

sneaky · 19-08-2012, 08:31 PM

did you buy one shonky?

lockieoc · 19-08-2012, 09:02 PM

Tell you what. I constantly see a white one on the coast with green P's, If i still had some time to go on my P's I would have been down at the dealer cheque in hand, I couldn't think of any other car I would want on my P's.

Bossxr8 · 19-08-2012, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Obviously forgot previous post in this thread then...goldfish effect?

So, while we arn't letting the facts ruin a good story...

The facts....Post 316

http://www.topgear.com/uk/toyota/gt-86/road-test/driven

http://www.caradvice.com.au/175631/toyota-86-review/

http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2...h-review-30686

Oh...and the Power/weight chart again...just in case you forgot...

Performance?

Seems like it has it?

Yet its slower than basically every car on that list, bar the MX5, so the power to weight means jack if the things makes bugger all torque to back it up.

Can you post up a torque to weight ratio, it would probably be dead last on that list, which explains why its so much slower than the others despite having a reasonable power to weight.

flappist · 19-08-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Yet its slower than basically every car on that list, bar the MX5, so the power to weight means jack if the things makes bugger all torque to back it up.

Can you post up a torque to weight ratio, it would probably be dead last on that list, which explains why its so much slower than the others despite having a reasonable power to weight.

Actually this reminds me of the BA XR8 which on paper it should have thrashed the VX SS but the real world results were quite different.

It took several iterations before its true capabilities was revealed

Nic85 · 20-08-2012, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Yet its slower than basically every car on that list, bar the MX5, so the power to weight means jack if the things makes bugger all torque to back it up.

Can you post up a torque to weight ratio, it would probably be dead last on that list, which explains why its so much slower than the others despite having a reasonable power to weight.

I can't make up a fancy graph, but here are the raw numbers...

Lotus Elise (N/A 1.6) – 876kgs/160Nm = 140.1Nm/tonne / (Supercharged 1.8) – 880kgs/250Nm = 284.1Nm/tonne

Mazda RX8 – 1379kgs/211Nm = 153.0Nm/tonne

Mazda MX5 – 1167kgs/188Nm = 161.1Nm/tonne

Toyota 86 – 1257kgs/205Nm = 163.1Nm/tonne

Audi TT – 1320kgs/250Nm = 189.4Nm/tonne

Volkswagen Golf GTi – 1380kgs/280Nm = 202.9Nm/tonne

Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart – 1555kgs/343Nm = 220.6Nm/tonne

Porsche Cayman (N/A 2.9) – 1330kgs/300Nm = 225.6Nm/tonne / (N/A 3.4) – 1350kgs/370Nm = 274.1Nm/tonne

And just for ***** n' giggles.

Ford Falcon XT - 1710kgs/391Nm = 228.7Nm/tonne

Ford Falcon XT Ecoboost - 1648kgs/353Nm = 214.2Nm/tonne

Vesper Martini · 20-08-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by irish2

Doesn't stop a 4 cylinder falcon beating it in every way in the latest motor mag.

http://imageshack.us/f/402/img0028ble.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/705/img0029urq.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/713/img0030fn.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/52/img0031tb.jpg/

Im not sure about these results.. as I posted earlier can anybody explain the BRZ beating the 86 and falcon in the hillclimb?

Bossxr8 · 20-08-2012, 09:40 PM

BRZ is supposedly set up a little stiffer than the 86.

Shonky. · 20-08-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sneaky

did you buy one shonky?

nah mate, was just in my suburb so thought you guys would like to see one with JDM style wheels and zorst

(for the record I don't know the owners occupation)

Nikked · 20-08-2012, 10:30 PM

MITCHAY · 20-08-2012, 10:32 PM

Well they have developed a FA20 turbo engine. 221kw @ 5600 and 400nm @ 2000-4800. Direct injection, twin scroll turbo.

It's destined for the next Liberty but we might see it in the 86 and/or BRZ eventually in some form.

Solves your torque problem right there fellas even if the engine weighs a decent amount more.

Chopped · 21-08-2012, 07:07 PM

Nice Ad for it > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ncDSm_P8A

nstg8a · 21-08-2012, 07:19 PM

Bossxr8 · 21-08-2012, 10:26 PM

Did they steal that wing off an ultra light plane?

Cheese3 · 22-08-2012, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

image

Missing the right exhaust?

Fiesta_Man69 · 22-08-2012, 12:57 PM

Rang local Toyota dealer. Now, depending on colour and transmission and spec choice the waiting list varies from (at best) 18 months to more than 24 months.....

The real killer is the price. Base model driveaway: you are looking at $42K. The base model, with the smaller brakes and Prius tyres, not the top spec GTS.

This seems to be confirmed by looking at carsales - was one manual base model on there with 600km on it for just over $40K. Can pick up low kay autos for $35K tho...

Salesman wasn't interested in booking a test drive - told me to try later on maybe when they had a better supply of cars. Which begs the question as to why Toyota are advertising the 86 on tv and other media outlets...

So $42K and 2 year wait - there's plenty of much quicker cars out there for that price that you can have in your driveway in a few weeks.

MAGPIE · 22-08-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

So $42K and 2 year wait - there's plenty of much quicker cars out there for that price that you can have in your driveway in a few weeks.

So go buy one then

calais · 22-08-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Rang local Toyota dealer. Now, depending on colour and transmission and spec choice the waiting list varies from (at best) 18 months to more than 24 months.....

The real killer is the price. Base model driveaway: you are looking at $42K. The base model, with the smaller brakes and Prius tyres, not the top spec GTS.

This seems to be confirmed by looking at carsales - was one manual base model on there with 600km on it for just over $40K. Can pick up low kay autos for $35K tho...

Salesman wasn't interested in booking a test drive - told me to try later on maybe when they had a better supply of cars. Which begs the question as to why Toyota are advertising the 86 on tv and other media outlets...

So $42K and 2 year wait - there's plenty of much quicker cars out there for that price that you can have in your driveway in a few weeks.

Wow, werent these supposed to start at $29,990? Meaning, say a low thirties drive-away for the base model and low forties for the GTS?

As for waiting two years for a car......... well that requires one hell of a commitment, assuming no enhanced models are released in the meantime. I know I'd be gutted if I had commited to a GTS, and a Turbo model was announced.........

FG50T · 22-08-2012, 03:05 PM

So now it's 42k, a 2 year wait and it's not any faster. Toyota have really got a sucker fan base.

tweeked · 22-08-2012, 03:43 PM

Watched a whole bunch of these at the hot tuner shoot out last week. They are not about straight line, even the ones that were turboed were not particularly fast. but on Eastern Creeks short and windy south circuit, and thefigure eight test, They were amazing. Virtually no tyre squeal and huge corner speeds.

Anyone who looks at the overall power is missing the point of the car.

**DJM83** · 22-08-2012, 06:55 PM

Lets move on shall we.

nstg8a · 22-08-2012, 07:02 PM

I have to admit, a two year wait plus at least 42k sticker price would have me looking elsewhere.

I love the very idea of the 86 but that sort of cost and timeframe is just getting nutty.

flappist · 22-08-2012, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

I have to admit, a two year wait plus at least 42k sticker price would have me looking elsewhere.

I love the very idea of the 86 but that sort of cost and timeframe is just getting nutty.

I know where there are two for sale right now and a lot less than that although they are both being demoed.

Black GT manual (the one that I have driven) and red GTS manual with the aero kit.

PM me if you actually want to buy either and I will give you the details.

Franco Cozzo · 22-08-2012, 07:43 PM

I'd like to see how they hold up against other similar style of cars, like DC2/DC5 Integra Type R, S2000, MX-5, RX8, et al.

burnz · 22-08-2012, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I'm sorry, I though I said torque. Didn't realize I had somehow mentioned kw.

Falcon 240nm per tonne
Toyo 165nm per tonne

Try a sense of humour, you'll live longer.

any more humour and i'll die of laughter. boom boom.

Nikked · 22-08-2012, 09:38 PM

86 Vs Cayman and 370Z....

http://youtu.be/JUhLXvxlQR4

Guess what wins....

irish2 · 22-08-2012, 10:30 PM

But it loses to a 4 cylinder falcon? Don't get me wrong I love the concept of the 86 but its' performance as a standard car does seem to be lacking a bit.

In Focus · 22-08-2012, 10:34 PM

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d...k&sort=default

This guy is here to save you the 2 year wait, and he's not trying to profit at all...

Price is negotiable but firm (WTF?). Won't even let you test drive it, though.

Fiesta_Man69 · 22-08-2012, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by In Focus

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d...k&sort=default

This guy is here to save you the 2 year wait, and he's not trying to profit at all...

Price is negotiable but firm (WTF?). Won't even let you test drive it, though.

rofl... $55K.... bargain. Oh well, good luck to the guy.

Nikked · 23-08-2012, 08:17 AM