Qld flash for cash cameras

[Pedro]

Here we go again in Queensland with a highly promoted television campaign via morning TV news telling us how the road toll is unacceptable and so Police are rolling out even more "speed cameras" as a pro-active approach in bringing down the road toll.

"Speeding" is a factor in about one third of road fatalities in Australia, and don't forget that a crash can be designated as "caused by speed" for having been just a few kms over the speed limit.

I just feel sorry for the police having to peddle this BS at the behest of inept politicians whose only interest is collecting more cash from what is now an embedded form of taxation, to finance their uncontrolled spending. (Like the billion dollars desalination plant at Tugun on the Gold Coast that's been in mothballs since being built and costs $1m per annum to maintain).

It's this kind of tripe being fed to us that is causing voters to turn away from mainstream parties and I for one can't wait to see the back of them.

[qdda5]

Maybe it will reduce the toll -who knows. One thing I do know is that you dont speed you dont get fined. Put em on every street corner for all I care. If im speeding fine me whatever. If im stupid enough to want to throw my money away who cares. But please dont complain abot cameras or where they are placed. You do the right thing you dont get caught. Simples....
Been caught plenty of times over the years and paid the price. I just suck it up and move on. However now I am in my 50s ticket accrual is far less than before.
Hopefully less deaths on the road this coming Christmas and new year. 1 is too many.
Cheers

[Olbucko]

[QUOTE=qdda5;5839440]Maybe it will reduce the toll -who knows. One thing I do know is that you dont speed you dont get fined. Put em on every street corner for all I care. If im speeding fine me whatever. If im stupid enough to want to throw my money away who cares. But please dont complain abot cameras or where they are placed. You do the right thing you dont get caught. Simples....
Been caught plenty of times over the years and paid the price. I just suck it up and move on. However now I am in my 50s ticket accrual is far less than before.
Hopefully less deaths on the road this coming Christmas and new year. 1 is too many.
Cheers[/QUOTE

Easier said than done!

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by qdda5

Maybe it will reduce the toll -who knows. One thing I do know is that you dont speed you dont get fined. Put em on every street corner for all I care. If im speeding fine me whatever. If im stupid enough to want to throw my money away who cares. But please dont complain abot cameras or where they are placed. You do the right thing you dont get caught. Simples....
Been caught plenty of times over the years and paid the price. I just suck it up and move on. However now I am in my 50s ticket accrual is far less than before.
Hopefully less deaths on the road this coming Christmas and new year. 1 is too many.
Cheers

They finally won you over did they? I'm not budging. They are a trap to steal money, not a safety enhancement. I'm all for safe driving, but this is not the way to do it.

[qdda5]

Originally Posted by chevypower

They finally won you over did they? I'm not budging. They are a trap to steal money, not a safety enhancement. I'm all for safe driving, but this is not the way to do it.

No ones won me over buddy. You just keep on winging about it and keep getting caught. Your money not mine.
Dont speed - dont get caught.
Not a hard concept to grasp is it?

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by qdda5

No ones won me over buddy. You just keep on winging about it and keep getting caught. Your money not mine.
Dont speed - dont get caught.
Not a hard concept to grasp is it?

And let me guess your God.

[qdda5]

Originally Posted by Blue Roo

And let me guess your God.

Not really.lol.
However I consider myself smarter than you.
Which is quite obvious.

[baboon]

Just saw it in the news. Its now an unmanned camera. They tow a big yellow trailer and park it besides the high risk roads. It has a camera sticking out the top of the trailer and it sends the info back to headquarters.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by baboon

Just saw it in the news. Its now an unmanned camera. They tow a big yellow trailer and park it besides the high risk roads. It has a camera sticking out the top of the trailer and it sends the info back to headquarters.

Just saw that they're using the trailers in spots where it's too dangerous to have police parked.

Funny how it's not too dangerous for some poor bloke to have to unload it and set it up there...

[Bossxr8]

More and more cameras are being added all the time. If they truly saved lives wouldn't the road toll be going down?

Proves they don't do jack but fill govco coffers.

[XByoot]

The sad thing is I do actually drive the speed limit,at the frustration of many drivers...unfortunately the cameras don't catch the idiots going off because you have the hide to drive the speed limit and hold them up for a few seconds on their far more important schedule. At least these things are highly visible (for now) so they will make people drive the limit,compared to a hidden camera where someone can drive thru at 200 kph,cause and accident or kill someone and all they get is a bill in the mail. Nothing better than real people policing and spotting the real law beakers in my book,but that's not good for business of gov co.

[Optional]

Originally Posted by XByoot

The sad thing is I do actually drive the speed limit,at the frustration of many drivers...unfortunately the cameras don't catch the idiots going off because you have the hide to drive the speed limit and hold them up for a few seconds on their far more important schedule. At least these things are highly visible (for now) so they will make people drive the limit,compared to a hidden camera where someone can drive thru at 200 kph,cause and accident or kill someone and all they get is a bill in the mail. Nothing better than real people policing and spotting the real law beakers in my book,but that's not good for business of gov co.

Whilst I agree about idiots, sometimes the people who drive 'under the limit' can be dangerous too.

Had a scary experience traveling from Newcastle to Sydney in the back seat with my mother and her husband.

He set his cruise control on 109kph, moved to the right lane and didn't move out of it all the way. Constantly berating the idiots who think they are so important he should move out of the way so they can speed.

Whole trip was cars tailgating us, flashing lights and blowing horns as they undertook. All of which just made him madder and more determined he was right and the 30 or 40 cars he made undertake him were all just idiots speeding.

I don't think I've ever felt more likely to be involved in accident than during that trip. Mum says he does the same every trip. Not sure how she takes it.

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by Optional

Whilst I agree about idiots, sometimes the people who drive 'under the limit' can be dangerous too.

Had a scary experience traveling from Newcastle to Sydney in the back seat with my mother and her husband.

He set his cruise control on 109kph, moved to the right lane and didn't move out of it all the way. Constantly berating the idiots who think they are so important he should move out of the way so they can speed.

Whole trip was cars tailgating us, flashing lights and blowing horns as they undertook. All of which just made him madder and more determined he was right and the 30 or 40 cars he made undertake him were all just idiots speeding.

I don't think I've ever felt more likely to be involved in accident than during that trip. Mum says he does the same every trip. Not sure how she takes it.

Mate,absolutely agree. I see that all the time and I wouldn't do that stuff. Stay out of the way if at all possible and stick to the limit is my main aim. There's nothing worse than driving a single lane highway with a 110 limit and there's a dude at say 80 holding up a line of cars,get to the two lane overtaking section and they speed up to 110 so people can't get past,then back to the single lane and they slow back down to 80 wtf?? I drive between Gold Coast and Brisbane a lot,night road works are common,often 4 lanes being reduced to 1 and with a 40 limit. If you sit at 40 you'd get run down I reckon,40 means about 70 in theses cases. There's even cops there sometimes,I believe it's a bit of an overtime rort they are on or something. But if I sat at say 55 I'd get some dude up the backside tailgating or flashing lights for sure.Put a camera there and it would be a gold mine. I try to stick to the limits,but in some of these situations it's hard to keep out of the way,and keep all your points.

[Optional]

Originally Posted by XByoot

Mate,absolutely agree. I see that all the time and I wouldn't do that stuff. Stay out of the way if at all possible and stick to the limit is my main aim. There's nothing worse than driving a single lane highway with a 110 limit and there's a dude at say 80 holding up a line of cars,get to the two lane overtaking section and they speed up to 110 so people can't get past,then back to the single lane and they slow back down to 80 wtf?? I drive between Gold Coast and Brisbane a lot,night road works are common,often 4 lanes being reduced to 1 and with a 40 limit. If you sit at 40 you'd get run down I reckon,40 means about 70 in theses cases. There's even cops there sometimes,I believe it's a bit of an overtime rort they are on or something. But if I sat at say 55 I'd get some dude up the backside tailgating or flashing lights for sure.Put a camera there and it would be a gold mine. I try to stick to the limits,but in some of these situations it's hard to keep out of the way,and keep all your points.

The 40 zones when workers aren't there at all I think contributes to so many drivers zooming through at night. But know what you mean. It creates uncertainty about what is safest to do which makes the area less safe for everyone really.

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by Optional

.....

Had a scary experience traveling from Newcastle to Sydney in the back seat with my mother and her husband.

.......

One of you should have sat up front.
Way less scary

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

More and more cameras are being added all the time. If they truly saved lives wouldn't the road toll be going down?

Proves they don't do jack but fill govco coffers.

So, logically then we could remove all cameras and the road toll would remain static?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Kieron

So, logically then we could remove all cameras and the road toll would remain static?

A number of years ago the late Bill Tucky made an interesting comment.
He said that if you took into account the increasing number of cars on the road every year the actual road toll has gone through the basement.

Back in the 80's (I think) a Melb newspaper ran a road safety campaign called "Declare war on 1034."
1034 was the number of fatalities the previous year. How does that stack up these days with the extra cars on the road now.

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

A number of years ago the late Bill Tucky made an interesting comment.
He said that if you took into account the increasing number of cars on the road every year the actual road toll has gone through the basement.

Back in the 80's (I think) a Melb newspaper ran a road safety campaign called "Declare war on 1034."
1034 was the number of fatalities the previous year. How does that stack up these days with the extra cars on the road now.

Exactly, and that's what is not being taken into account by the anti police/camera brigade. On top of this, there are also the accident that don't result in deaths that need to be factored in before anyone knocks what the authorities do.

[XByoot]

Plus car safety has come a long way as well. I'm sure half the relatively minor bingles of today would have had the driver impaled by the steering column years ago.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Kieron

Exactly, and that's what is not being taken into account by the anti police/camera brigade. On top of this, there are also the accident that don't result in deaths that need to be factored in before anyone knocks what the authorities do.

But nor is it taken into account by the police, government or road safety experts. We, as drivers, are continually subjected to accusations of irresponsibility, told we're not getting the message, and used as justification for ever more draconian enforcement.

You cant have it both ways. Either things are getting better, or they're not. Police want to take credit for improvements while telling us we're getting worse.

[superfly]

http://www.news.com.au/national/quee...4af802e219d9e6

[Chopped]

If you take population growth into account, then the road toll (as a percentage) is coming down.

It's a shame they don't have cameras that can detect morons, the major cause of accidents.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Pedro

Here we go again in Queensland with a highly promoted television campaign via morning TV news telling us how the road toll is unacceptable and so Police are rolling out even more "speed cameras" as a pro-active approach in bringing down the road toll.

"Speeding" is a factor in about one third of road fatalities in Australia, and don't forget that a crash can be designated as "caused by speed" for having been just a few kms over the speed limit.

I just feel sorry for the police having to peddle this BS at the behest of inept politicians whose only interest is collecting more cash from what is now an embedded form of taxation, to finance their uncontrolled spending. (Like the billion dollars desalination plant at Tugun on the Gold Coast that's been in mothballs since being built and costs $1m per annum to maintain).

It's this kind of tripe being fed to us that is causing voters to turn away from mainstream parties and I for one can't wait to see the back of them.

Victoria is on the hook for $1.5 million PER DAY for the Wonthaggi desalination plant... and that's if no water is taken.

[Optional]

Originally Posted by Trump

Victoria is on the hook for $1.5 million PER DAY for the Wonthaggi desalination plant... and that's if no water is taken.

Sydney has one too that sits idle at 500k per day on a 50 year lease deal.

Great rort. Biggest surprise is Sth Aussies haven't copied yet.

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by Optional

Sydney has one too that sits idle at 500k per day on a 50 year lease deal.

Great rort. Biggest surprise is Sth Aussies haven't copied yet.

This may be a subject for another thread, but....
SA does have a desal sitting idling while we take water from the Murray, the river has plentiful supply at the moment.
The idle cost for desal is the price you pay for water security. Just as the sun comes up in the morning, there will be another 10 year drought and we will run out of river water, then we'll all have our pitch forks out demanding why the guvmint didn't do anything about it.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

This may be a subject for another thread, but....
SA does have a desal sitting idling while we take water from the Murray, the river has plentiful supply at the moment.
The idle cost for desal is the price you pay for water security. Just as the sun comes up in the morning, there will be another 10 year drought and we will run out of river water, then we'll all have our pitch forks out demanding why the guvmint didn't do anything about it.

The idle cost wouldn't be anywhere near what it is if it wasn't for the insidious PPP funding model. But that's for another thread.

[csv8]

248 people have died on QLD roads..62 from speeding. .the only answer QPol have is more speed cameras!!! Why ? because that is the easiest to police!!! all the other causes aren't easy to Police...and the RACQ supports the roll out..Go to the RACQ FB page and read the flack the RACQ is copping from supporting the roll out!!!

[CyberWasp]

It is not Speed that Kills, it is Morons.
Here is a bunch of Morons that have trouble seeing other vehicles on the road the size of trucks.
God help rest of us in smaller vehicles if a small % of the population can't even see trucks.
You could take 10km/h off all these people and it would still happen.
You can't legislate against idiots. It is blatant cash grabbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIJFQWHepSA

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

It is not Speed that Kills, it is Morons.
Here is a bunch of Morons that have trouble seeing other vehicles on the road the size of trucks.
God help rest of us in smaller vehicles if a small % of the population can't even see trucks.
You could take 10km/h off all these people and it would still happen.
You can't legislate against idiots. It is blatant cash grabbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIJFQWHepSA

Always wondered why govco hasn't made it illegal to cause or have an accident, and have harsh penalties for those who do. Or make car insurance so unbearably expensive that average Joe will be on guard and too afraid to have an accident. Blind 80 year old freddy would be too afraid to get behind the wheel, and 18 year old novices would think to get some defensive driving practice off-road before practicing on the road. Would make everyone think twice to drive tired, drink drive, use their phone while driving or do anything stupid with others around. Surely it would be a towards zero road toll situation before long. The stupid speed kills mantra and enforcement of how fast a vehicle can move, when road safety involves so many other factors, goes nowhere.

[jandj]

I was coming back from noosa 2 days ago with my 2 sons in the car, and we counted 3 mobile speed cameras.
I can understand the need for speed cameras, now it's just a revenue raising machine.