Project Casper AU / G&D – A New Evolution - Page 3

Casper · 14-04-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mangi

Is a Unichip outdated?

Yes, totally and utterly in an AU. The edit just slaughters it.

HLC · 14-04-2006, 10:45 PM

EVO what number are we up to?

Casper · 14-04-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

EVO what number are we up to?

New Evo 1.

HLC · 14-04-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

New Evo 1.

well thats boring.

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divine_afg · 14-04-2006, 11:06 PM

damn impressive figures casper..... congrats on achieving your first milestone..
i'll difinetly be checking it out on AU day.....
good lucks with it all .... oh any chance of engine bay pics
cheers

Casper · 14-04-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by divine_afg

damn impressive figures casper..... congrats on achieving your first milestone..
i'll difinetly be checking it out on AU day.....
good lucks with it all .... oh any chance of engine bay pics
cheers

thanks mate.

No point in takeing engine bay pics, the airbox is just like in the pics and the exhaust is hidden under a heat shield.

divine_afg · 14-04-2006, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

thanks mate.

No point in takeing engine bay pics, the airbox is just like in the pics and the exhaust is hidden under a heat shield.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
very nice

jonbays · 15-04-2006, 12:20 PM

Well this all looks very intesting Shane.

Its a JMM vs G & D head to head comparsion isn't it!

As we all know JMM's dyno is awfully optimistic but on straight dyno numbers I don't reckon it's any better. Yeah of course i agree about the auto and stallie all losing a few rwkw but i too would have liked to seen you come out with nearer 145rwkw on the dyno. Hasn't Krissy got 138rwkw too.

I think her car is going to do the high 14's easy and you may still struggle in the low 15's till you "open her up". Of course thats the weight of your IRS holding you back more than the traction benefits mostly.

next dragstrip run will really prove this out for sure.

janek · 15-04-2006, 02:21 PM

sorry to steal the thread a bit, but has anyone tried jmm race headers??

stiddy · 15-04-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jonbays

Well this all looks very intesting Shane.

Its a JMM vs G & D head to head comparsion isn't it!

As we all know JMM's dyno is awfully optimistic but on straight dyno numbers I don't reckon it's any better. Yeah of course i agree about the auto and stallie all losing a few rwkw but i too would have liked to seen you come out with nearer 145rwkw on the dyno. Hasn't Krissy got 138rwkw too.

I think her car is going to do the high 14's easy and you may still struggle in the low 15's till you "open her up". Of course thats the weight of your IRS holding you back more than the traction benefits mostly.

next dragstrip run will really prove this out for sure.

I have a feeling the Casper mobile will shatter the 15's, and run through with a bit better then a 14.99
Even 135rwkw on the dyno is still good for a 14.8(in the right conditions), highstall, shift kit, plus the mountain of torque the all new modded VCT has it will do it easily. But the dyno dosent show how the car is on the street/track.
JMM dyno awfully optimistic.. lol you got that right, but even so people are paying thousands upon thousands for DEV kits, and just breaking into the 14's..
Caspers car, un opened, with his minor mods will better alot of these dev cars getting around and many others from other workshops.
135rwkw may not sound like a lot but Im looking forward to hearing about how this black beast goes at the strip. Im sure its going to suprise a few and raise a few eye brows. :eclipsee_

Casper · 15-04-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jonbays

Well this all looks very intesting Shane.

Its a JMM vs G & D head to head comparsion isn't it!

Not really. I already know who's got this won and I'm so far past doing the comparison that I have let it go now.

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Originally Posted by jonbays

As we all know JMM's dyno is awfully optimistic but on straight dyno numbers I don't reckon it's any better. Yeah of course i agree about the auto and stallie all losing a few rwkw but i too would have liked to seen you come out with nearer 145rwkw on the dyno.

Jon I hate to be blunt but you are putting WAY too much into the dyno numbers. They are just numbers. I've been running less numbers than now and still beating cars claiming to have a lot more.

Either I have a significantly better setup, have more power than I claim, they have less then they claim or a mixture of it all these situations. Either way the peak rwkw claims mean very little to me because its a number, not an ET.

Secondly, while these new dyno numbers from my car may not seem all that high and 145rwkw would have been nice, lets put it in perspective here. Lets take 2 other similar cars in some ways. Yours and useless's will do. Useless is actually a good example as his is similar in a lot of ways. We both run hi stalls, we both have edits, we both have exhaust and intake. He also has a shorter diff ratio and is running a dev4 cam.. I am running unopened. I am also make similar if not greater power than him. In your case we have similar exhaust, both have intake, you have a unichip tune but I have a slightly shorter diff. You have no hi stall and a Dev3 HL cam.. you are about 6rwkw ahead of me.
So effectively you are asking that G&D create a situation where, to be satisfactory, they have to tune an unopened automatic, histalled VCT I6 to a point where it is producing more power then a Dev4 JMM cam? I think thats a little unrealistic. Trust me, when we open thie engine up you will see some bigger numbers but, more importantly, it wont be a dyno queen, it will still be under 180rwkw but running some major times. Remember, Hamo's AU auto "only" had 147rwkw when it hammered most other I6's with a 14.30 ET.

Finally, without driving it you can appreciate the difference. The torque it is producing now is V8 matching and totally fluid. To say "its no better" is to be too absorbed in dyno queen numbers and totally ignoring the reality. The car was doing 135rwkw without the histall. Now its doing it with the histall and punching out a massively broader torque curve. There is nothing that is the same anymore at all. You see a dyno sheet and say its no different, I drive it and say its completely different.

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Originally Posted by jonbays

Hasn't Krissy got 138rwkw too.

Yes, but without the edit. Of course with no hi stall, 3.9 diff gears, a full exhaust, G&D intake and a very large cam that is to be expected. I'd suspect it will punch out over 150rwkw and a mountain of torque by the end of the tune.

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Originally Posted by jonbays

I think her car is going to do the high 14's easy and you may still struggle in the low 15's till you "open her up". Of course thats the weight of your IRS holding you back more than the traction benefits mostly.

Krissy will do 14's in her sleep. I'll do them without too much effort at all, IRS or not. Once again using a dyno sheet to calculate ET's is a mistake. If that was the case Useless should have been well into the 14's and you should be a flat 15. Someone like Cobra's AU1 XR8 certainly shouldnt be running mid 14's and Hamo should be a 14.9 at best. Far too speculative to estimate ET on dyno sheets.

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Originally Posted by jonbays

next dragstrip run will really prove this out for sure.

Thats exactly right. The ET And MPH will tell the story. Thats what I said from the start.

Casper · 15-04-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by janek

sorry to steal the thread a bit, but has anyone tried jmm race headers??

yep.. mine are up for sale in the "For Sale" section

jonbays · 15-04-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Thats exactly right. The ET And MPH will tell the story. Thats what I said from the start.

100% spot on. I have been giving it a go and even with careful choisce the do it yourself pick best bits here and there from all the best tuners hasn't really put the numbers on the board yet. OK I have a fairmont wagon and its about the slowest falcon stock off the production line but win lose or draw best TS I have done was 91.84mph and thats once mostly just in the 90's. Now being the dyno shopper i am I can tell you that I have somewhere in the vicinity of 139-144rwkw now but the peak as you say doesn't win races only dyno comps.

I'll be watching and wishing you all the best for that 14 ET.

AWD Chaser · 15-04-2006, 07:11 PM

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3 fingers and a left testical.

Lets see... $1000 per finger and $500 for your left nut.... $3500? lol

So how much would G&D set me back for a new set of these pacemakers and an exhaust without an edit/chip?

Casper · 15-04-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by au3 chaser

Lets see... $1000 per finger and $500 for your left nut.... $3500? lol

So how much would G&D set me back for a new set of these pacemakers and an exhaust without an edit/chip?

Depends on what sort of exhaust you are after. Theres different levels of madness involved.
Theres the basic madness like BLC got (which is the same headers but different cat and cat back to mine) and then it can be changed through a few different levels to mine which is "Price on Application" job as its customised and dynotuned section by section to suit the specific car.

Walkinshaw · 15-04-2006, 07:27 PM

/me bashes Casper with a solid grind Crow.

stop being a nancy boy

janek · 15-04-2006, 07:29 PM

id be interested to see some $$$... im trying to do mine on a budget, but im learning that im best off doing things the right way first... who knows, its a crazy world to mod... so hard to sift through the bullИИИИ...

but how much is the G&D air intake setup? im looking towards removing my mandrel steel one, as it just seems to heat up too much, and i feel as though i lose power with it... but i love th epod induction, but will sacrifice it for the power gains...

FRDGAL · 15-04-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by janek

but how much is the G&D air intake setup? im looking towards removing my mandrel steel one, as it just seems to heat up too much, and i feel as though i lose power with it... but i love th epod induction, but will sacrifice it for the power gains...

$645 + $66 fitting.

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Originally Posted by janek

id be interested to see some $$$... im trying to do mine on a budget

Give G&D a call mate. They will always do their best to work within your budget. They'll certainly be able to help you out and you also have the chance to see for yourself what they do and how they work. You won't regret going there, that's for sure!

Krissy.

Casper · 15-04-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

/me bashes Casper with a solid grind Crow.

stop being a nancy boy

dont worry, once I stop tormenting all the cammed up I6's I can unopened we will be stuffing in a rather special grind that is going to torment a hell of a lot more. And it will be a billet grind, G&D only use billet now. No "shim wars"

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janek · 15-04-2006, 10:53 PM

lol... i wish it were that simple. i spend half my time in brissie, and half my time in syd... ive been to melb once, and that was on a plane!!!!

645... thats a bit steep for the intake dont you think? is it really worthwile?

Casper · 15-04-2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by janek

645... thats a bit steep for the intake dont you think? is it really worthwile?

if your after every kw then yes.
Oh, the induction sound is absolutely WICKED too

Kev_BLNXR8_Ute · 16-04-2006, 01:53 AM

They are hand made, and are quiet time consumming to make.... That is where the cost comes from....

janek · 16-04-2006, 10:07 AM

do they need the car there? melb is 1000 km from me now :S

and does the setup include the piping to the TB?

Casper · 16-04-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by janek

do they need the car there? melb is 1000 km from me now :S

No, you can fit it yourself.

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Originally Posted by janek

and does the setup include the piping to the TB?

The piping is based on the stock AU intake piping. It was found to not be restrictive up to at least 150rwkw (legitimate rwkw's) and the tapered section proved to be slightly better then an aftermarket 3" pipe.

INJECTED_250 · 16-04-2006, 11:33 AM

So when are u sneaking of to calder... ive got the feeling shane u wont be able to wait till the 20th...

Casper · 16-04-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by INJECTED_250

So when are u sneaking of to calder... ive got the feeling shane u wont be able to wait till the 20th...

I got the feeling you are right.

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Kev_BLNXR8_Ute · 17-04-2006, 12:10 PM

Hmmmmmm....

Mite here a few voice calling you to the track.......
All your ghost buddy's.....

Caasspppeeeerrrrrrrr........Come raaaccce your cccaaarrr

RspecAU · 18-04-2006, 01:52 AM

Well done Casper and G&D

can't wait to see it on the track. 14:99 is what i got out of my v8 when it was stock.

Casper · 18-04-2006, 03:43 PM

Thanks guys.

Just to stir you all up a bit... the car goes back to G&D on Monday for Stage 2. It will be at the AU BBQ and then gone Monday morning for another week or 2

FRDGAL · 18-04-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Thanks guys.

Just to stir you all up a bit... the car goes back to G&D on Monday for Stage 2. It will be at the AU BBQ and then gone Monday morning for another week or 2

Your joking?!! Stage 2, already. That was quick ;)