Car dealer who wiped odometers of eight vehicle jailed for three years - Page 2

fitzy1980 · 18-12-2016, 05:51 PM

I don't get these sentences.

I understand the blokes are scumbags etc etc..

A lowlife kills a child and gets less time..

**Rallye Sport** · 18-12-2016, 06:35 PM

Sad reality money is worth more than life.
You can murder a poor person but what ever you do don't commit a crime involving money...

fitzy1980 · 18-12-2016, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

Sad reality money is worth more than life.
You can murder a poor person but what ever you do don't commit a crime involving money...

I agree mate.

People commit fraud and get 25 years...

commodorenutt · 18-12-2016, 07:19 PM

Some of it comes down to the actual "effort" to commit the crime.

Offenders who are convicted and serve only a few years for manslaughter, rarely set out deliberately to commit the crime. Events over a short period, or a spur-of the-moment decision often lead to the crime being committed. One-punch deaths would be a good example of this.

This type of fraud on the other hand, like many white-collar fraud crimes, took considerable effort, planning, action, and follow-up activities to complete the fraud. All of it took plenty of time & effort, and presented many opportunities to bail out before the crime was committed. They invested many hours, weeks, months or even years into keeping the fraud/embezzling ticking over.

This is what the magistrate is looking at when sentencing & deciding on the custodial term - the effort the plaintiff went to in committing the crime.

I don't agree with it either - a close friend lost a son to a cowardly attack where a teenager went & got a knife to come back & "teach him a lesson" - which in my eyes is deliberately setting out to commit murder, as it required planning, but he served only a few years for manslaughter after it was downgraded from murder.

Surely his life is worth more than the millions that Eddie Obeid gained by fraud?
But Obeid will likely serve a similar sentence due to the effort he went to when committing those crimes.

nstg8a · 18-12-2016, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ebxr8240

Why I buy NEW now.. There's cheap enough new models if you cant afford what you think is a decent car.. Or buy 20+ year old battler specials for under $2k ? Just to get you by... Knowing it will cost a little to keep on the road..

Or just ignore whatever number is on the odometer and go the actual,condition of the car.
Odometer reading is just a number.... A 50000 km car can have just as many or more problems than a 150000 car.

BionicXR6 · 18-12-2016, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ozpacman

Fadi Ahmad El Osman, Mustapha Adel Ajouz and Mustapha Abdul Karim Ajouz.

Who would have thought...

Yeah I was thinking more along the lines of Edward Lee.......

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...4e9a5869d7726a

http://www.smh.com.au/business/consu...16-gmvf1p.html

Stefan · 18-12-2016, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BionicXR6

Yeah I was thinking more along the lines of Edward Lee.......

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...4e9a5869d7726a

http://www.smh.com.au/business/consu...16-gmvf1p.html

I reckon an honest Jap Import with legit kms on the ODO would be in the vast minority in that segment of the market.

Buying a car like that from a dealer you would just have to assume the car has 100,000 more kms on board than showing.

car10002 · 21-12-2016, 08:02 PM

Hi

If you converted to a fairlane or fairmont dash or the cluster broke and you couldn't keep the same mileage readings and you sold car

Could you just tell the new owners that the speedo readings not true and say what it's probably done

And what about in nsw and vic where they have slips how do you's go about that

And when upgrading dash or fixing broken one can you keep the readings on the new dash if it's different and write it all down, do you have to match speedo from new one to old one to keep same readings or can you just write it all down and explain to new owner if you ever sell them that readings not true and what about services or slips in nsw or vic

TRRTRY · 21-12-2016, 10:50 PM

there used to be a bloke in melbourne who specialised in this called 'speedo bob"

Crazy Dazz · 22-12-2016, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ozpacman

Fadi Ahmad El Osman, Mustapha Adel Ajouz and Mustapha Abdul Karim Ajouz.

Who would have thought...

Yeah right.
Let me guess, dodgy builders who are Lebanese Fat Kids with failed breast-implants.

Sabantien · 23-12-2016, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fitzy1980

I don't get these sentences.

I understand the blokes are scumbags etc etc..

A lowlife kills a child and gets less time..

Don't know where you live. That's mandatory life in Queensland!

But I agree. I recall one judge giving suspended sentences to a group of men who gang raped a 10 year old.

I'm not going to say 3 years is excessive for this, but perhaps quite a few other things are far too lenient.

saber · 27-12-2016, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ozpacman

Fadi Ahmad El Osman, Mustapha Adel Ajouz and Mustapha Abdul Karim Ajouz.

Who would have thought...

Silly question, but why has this post received so many likes?

BionicXR6 · 27-12-2016, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by saber

Silly question, but why has this post received so many likes?

Because of their names, which are of foreign extraction, and the actions suggested to be typical of people who be from that ethnicity.

Casual Racism

saber · 27-12-2016, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BionicXR6

Casual Racism

Aye, sad to see this occur on this forum...

jgmdat · 27-12-2016, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by saber

Silly question, but why has this post received so many likes?

100% correct. Silly question.

superyob · 28-12-2016, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by car10002

Hi

If you converted to a fairlane or fairmont dash or the cluster broke and you couldn't keep the same mileage readings and you sold car

Could you just tell the new owners that the speedo readings not true and say what it's probably done

And what about in nsw and vic where they have slips how do you's go about that

And when upgrading dash or fixing broken one can you keep the readings on the new dash if it's different and write it all down, do you have to match speedo from new one to old one to keep same readings or can you just write it all down and explain to new owner if you ever sell them that readings not true and what about services or slips in nsw or vic

That's a curly one car10002, because I changed the dash in an EB. However, I never sold the car, preferring to see it die horribly in a demolition derby...

b0son · 28-12-2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BionicXR6

Because of their names, which are of foreign extraction, and the actions suggested to be typical of people who be from that ethnicity.

Make an observation that certain ethnicities may be over-represented in some criminal activity, and you're a racist. Meanwhile, DV campaigns are generally directed at all men as potential abusers, yet they're never accused of misandry.....

LoudPipes · 28-12-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Make an observation that certain ethnicities may be over-represented in some criminal activity, and you're a racist. Meanwhile, DV campaigns are generally directed at all men as potential abusers, yet they're never accused of misandry.....

You're wrong, there are campaigns to stop men being seen as the only potential abusers.

Franco Cozzo · 28-12-2016, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BionicXR6

Because of their names, which are of foreign extraction, and the actions suggested to be typical of people who be from that ethnicity.

Casual Racism

I'm not racist,

I hate everyone

Ben73 · 28-12-2016, 03:17 PM

Pretty good punishment to be honest. Good to see the judges not going easy on scumbags like they usually do.

superyob · 28-12-2016, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by saber

Silly question, but why has this post received so many likes?

Please don't pretend ignorance, to virtue signal your confected moral superiority...

SumoDog68 · 28-12-2016, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by superyob

Please don't pretend ignorance, to virtue signal your confected moral superiority...

Instead of being presented with stereotypes by age, sex, colour, class, or religion, children must have the opportunity to learn that within each range, some people are loathsome and some are delightful.

Margaret Mead

saber · 28-12-2016, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by superyob

Please don't pretend ignorance, to virtue signal your confected moral superiority...

I wasn't. Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion...

xr8cam · 30-12-2016, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Make an observation that certain ethnicities may be over-represented in some criminal activity, and you're a racist. Meanwhile, DV campaigns are generally directed at all men as potential abusers, yet they're never accused of misandry.....

That's because ALL men from ALL races commit acts of DV and remember that physical violence is only one of many forms of DV. Regarding the OP, it is a good job that a harsh sentence was handed down. Consumers need to be protected and a car is most peoples biggest purchase after a house. The judicial system is far from perfect but I reckon they got it right this time.

b0son · 30-12-2016, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8cam

That's because ALL men from ALL races commit acts of DV and remember that physical violence is only one of many forms of DV.

Well, no. The vast majority of men do not commit DV. And if we're going to conflate the stats by making the definition of DV ever broader, your net is actually going to start catching an awful lot of women, because while men may be relatively over-represented in the physical violence numbers, women certainly partake in psychological abuse in significant numbers. The male suicide stats speak for themselves.

Anyway, my original statement was just an observation about how lop-sided political correctness can be...

Franco Cozzo · 30-12-2016, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8cam

That's because ALL men from ALL races commit acts of DV and remember that physical violence is only one of many forms of DV. Regarding the OP, it is a good job that a harsh sentence was handed down. Consumers need to be protected and a car is most peoples biggest purchase after a house. The judicial system is far from perfect but I reckon they got it right this time.

http://www.oneinthree.com.au/malevictims/

Where are our men's shelters? If you approach the police about DV being a male you'll get laughed out of the police station.

Or the financial rape you'll get in the family court when it turns sour.

Women can play psychological warfare with the best of them, they don't leave marks you can see, but because there is no visible mark it musn't be happening, right?

Junkyard-Dog · 30-12-2016, 02:51 PM

A mate used to get absolutely demolished by his (now ex) gf.

I guess that means all women of all races commit DV though, am I right?

FPV414 · 31-12-2016, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Well, no. The vast majority of men do not commit DV. And if we're going to conflate the stats by making the definition of DV ever broader, your net is actually going to start catching an awful lot of women, because while men may be relatively over-represented in the physical violence numbers, women certainly partake in psychological abuse in significant numbers. The male suicide stats speak for themselves.

Anyway, my original statement was just an observation about how lop-sided political correctness can be...

Well said. If there was as much study or research done on the psychological abuse that women commit in relationships and then during break-ups, along with the abuse of process and systems put in place for DV (not taking anything away from the legitimate claims), we'd see a lot more done to protect men. Mental health is a big topic now and hopefully as the stigma fades we'll see more done about those who abuse people mentally/emotionally, as it's just as serious as abusing a person physically.

This deserves another thread.

xr8cam · 31-12-2016, 01:56 AM

Over 65 women died in 2016 at the hands of their patrtners. How many men died at the hands of their partners? Zero. It's always the same insecure emotional cripples who complain how bad women are. Plenty of gay men for those who can't form friendships with women, so don't get to down on yourselves.

b0son · 31-12-2016, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by xr8cam

Over 65 women died in 2016 at the hands of their patrtners. How many men died at the hands of their partners? Zero.

At the hands of... nice qualifier there. As a result of.... well, but no, let me guess, blokes who suicide are insecure emotional cripples who are doing the world a favour anyway. Yet the stats don't lie.... men die at 3x the rate, and in the thousands.

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It's always the same insecure emotional cripples who complain how bad women are.

Its not a competition. DV is bad, for all those affected, men and women can be just as cruel as one another, they just go about it in different ways. But the reality is society presently has a very blinkered view over who is allowed to be called a victim of it.

Maybe you should spend a little less time reading white ribbon press clippings....