air conditioner gas to go up 220% june 30th ?

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

or not it is the methane part that stinks is irrelevant. it was a funny post and was somewhat relevant simply because of the play on words

play on words, for the people that think methane has an odour perhaps? funny, nope sad that we have levels of people bleating on here about the carbon tax that dont even realise that methane contains carbon or that the odour from farts or landfill is not methane.

[gtxb67]

i think that there is alot of people on here that only go off hearsay

and by the way - i seriously doubt anyone thinks the odour coming from dispelling gas is anything but a product of what they have ingested. that is why certain foods create more different amounts and smells from gas isn't it

[J.C.]

Originally Posted by sudszy

you do realise that methane is odourless? , yeh why not lets ask people that have no idea about the science.

Yeeaaaahhhh! They may have mentioned that a number of times at the Gas Engine Analysis and Installation course I did at Caterpillar Australia many years ago when the 3600 series Gas engines were installed out this way (coal fields) and I had to look after them. I did alright at that course too I might add. Two weeks of very interesting stuff indeed. I Have worked on 3600 diesels before but not the gas units. Big Cats. 300mm bore, 300mm stroke........and a little spark plug.

But on a lighter note. You do need to get a life though dude and cease being a stiff. Don't assume anything. Believe little of what you read and even less of what you hear.

When stuff happens, it happens. There is little that we can do about it(and that includes this carbon tax BS) but deal with it. That much I have learnt.

And yes. I was aware it was an odorless gas, but thanks for the reminder.

[BHDOGS]

I can't wait till labours out so people can complain about tony abbots fat new parental leave tax instead

[mik]

some one posted , why are you having a winge that air con gas is going up, a car air conditioner does`nt have that much of it, it may cost 20 buks extra, ,my response is that maybe true , but i for one don`t believe nine dollars odd compensation a week ............... if your entitled to get it anyway will come even close covering everything that is going to have a cost rise because of this Tax, add all these things together i reckon it`s going to be a pretty penny, so i think we are entitled to have a winge when something goes up more than double in one swift hit.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by mik

so i think we are entitled to have a winge when something goes up more than double in one swift hit.

So what exactly has gone up double?

The same scaremongering occured when the GST was introduced....

This thread is about someone claiming (a third party) that things will go up 220%... with little to no justification...

We see adds on TV about "beating the carbon tax"
BUY NOW!!!! BUY NOW!!!!

The ACCC is reporting that it has already caught out people/ companies LIEING TO THE CONSUMER ALREADY and charging EXTRA NOW before the tax has even come into effect.....

[Herrod Motorsport]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

So what exactly has gone up double?

The same scaremongering occured when the GST was introduced....

This thread is about someone claiming (a third party) that things will go up 220%... with little to no justification...

We see adds on TV about "beating the carbon tax"
BUY NOW!!!! BUY NOW!!!!

The ACCC is reporting that it has already caught out people/ companies LIEING TO THE CONSUMER ALREADY and charging EXTRA NOW before the tax has even come into effect.....

I had the new government inspector audit me a couple of weeks ago . I was told by the inspector that come June 30 the gas will rise by at least 3 times of what we pay now thanks to the Julia tax . Apart from the rise the extra paperwork that we now have and records that we have to keep will just make the cost more .
This government are just a pack of idiots and have to go . I don't disagree with making things better for future generations but there may be no jobs left for them by then if small business don't get some help .

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by Herrod Motorsport

This government are just a pack of idiots and have to go . I don't disagree with making things better for future generations but there may be no jobs left for them by then if small business don't get some help .

Unfortunately No Aussie govenment gives a hoot for the small, no money in it for them.

All they're interested in are the Mines and the continuing boom to the Asian countries.

We've seen our potential future, just look at the US and alot of the european nations.

[pottery beige]

how many bs layers of beaurocrats to implement and police this new breathing tax... arent they they building some big building to house all this....

cheers joolia goolia...

[Herrod Motorsport]

Originally Posted by ivorya

Unfortunately No Aussie govenment gives a hoot for the small, no money in it for them.

All they're interested in are the Mines and the continuing boom to the Asian countries.

We've seen our potential future, just look at the US and alot of the european nations.

Yes you are right but this government are just speeding up the process

[Maka]

Originally Posted by Herrod Motorsport

Yes you are right but this government are just speeding up the process

So when the opposition get in you think they will slow this process down?



It dont matter who's in mate, we're gone one way or the other!


cheers,Maka

[Franco Cozzo]

Honestly, even if any one of us managed to get into politics, we'd all be doing the same thing when we got a taste of the benefits.

The person who tries to change anything will have a very short career.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

So what exactly has gone up double?

The same scaremongering occured when the GST was introduced....

This thread is about someone claiming (a third party) that things will go up 220%... with little to no justification...

We see adds on TV about "beating the carbon tax"
BUY NOW!!!! BUY NOW!!!!

The ACCC is reporting that it has already caught out people/ companies LIEING TO THE CONSUMER ALREADY and charging EXTRA NOW before the tax has even come into effect.....

perhaps before accusing some one of scare mongering you should do some research.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Maka

So when the opposition get in you think they will slow this process down?



It dont matter who's in mate, we're gone one way or the other!


cheers,Maka

your dead right Maka, but we don`t have to reward the one that spits in our collective faces the worst by voting for them!

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by mik

perhaps before accusing some one of scare mongering you should do some research.

Im not the one who is scaremongering..... duh

[fpv0505]

I am a fridgie and I dont give a crap. So I dont see why you guys should.

[Maka]

Originally Posted by mik

your dead right Maka, but we don`t have to reward the one that spits in our collective faces the worst by voting for them!

Too true mik, imo they all spit in our faces one way or another lol!

cheers,Maka

[mik]

well Jim Goose by the gist of your earlier post , you where basically calling me a goose for for simply implying and asking for verification that gas may go up double or more, it`s not scare mongering mate.
your tone is that i`m an idiot and it`s not going to happen

re: Jim Goose :......So what exactly has gone up double?

The same scaremongering occured when the GST was introduced....

and it has been established it will by a reliable source, so who`s the goose?

[chamb0]

So far, it seems the objections raised in this thread against the carbon tax can be summarised as thus:

- Some guy's mate's mechanic's mate said that chinese whispers are going to go up by 220%.

- A bloke calls for a revolution using biological tentanus warfare techniques, and seamlessly links the Clean Energy Bill with road speed limits.

- someone heard some rumour somewhere that the Green Party's political agenda is actually to campaign against air conditioning, because they don't like us to be comfy.

- A trustworthy, honourable sales rep came in someone’s door and told them that the figure will actually be 300%! Apparently, he had to get up off the floor after the rep took advantage of him.

- There might be some extra paperwork to do.

- A general whinge that the government loathes and despises entrepreneurs, forgetting entirely that the whole purpose of the scheme is to encourage innovation.

- Someone boasts their wide working knowledge of international human rights issues, saying that they have never known a country to hate its own citizens as much as Australia does. Obviously this person has visited Syria, but nothing was going on there, and Pol Pot has nothing on Gillard anyway.

- Some pleasant chitchat about bullets and massacres

- A dude with a firm grasp of international climate change politics has a crack, advocates complacency.

- Someone likens PM Gillard to a teenage girl with no boundaries – thanks, but no one wanted that image in their head.

- An anthropological thesis on Aboriginal life 40,000 years ago is put forward.

- Someone exhibits their own lofty levels of aptitude and competence by analysing the governments levels of aptitude and competence, ironically fumbling over some facts in the process

- The Clean Energy Bill shouldn't cover methane, only carbon dioxide, because everyone knows it's actually called the Carbon Tax (despite that term originating elsewhere)

- something about methane farts and the different variety of smells you can get.

- Someone protests: but I’m a person, I don’t like paying money for things, how can I not ever pay money for things? Also, Australians should whinge more.

- Someone describes it as a tax on breathing – give that man a PhD in economics.

- An assertion is made that anyone who doesn't agree with the above should do their research.

- An assertion is made that you shouldn't do your research, because you can never believe what you read. At the same time, you should never assume anything, nor listen to anything, and there is nothing you can do about anything.


Some people are still quite muddled up with the basic principles of the carbon tax and the compensation packages, despite it apparently being a major life event for them (judging by the amount of passionate rage and vitriol). Not to mention the fact that they have had nearly two years to learn about it. Fair call if you don’t agree with it, but if it matters to you so much, is it so hard to get the facts straight?

[BHDOGS]

Chambo once again thank you for imparting common sense and not the usual boring government hatred that people need to get over.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Air-con Gass to rise by XXX percentage.

What is the cost of a re-gas? Around $80-120 depending on the postcode and the badge on the grille....

I looked up the specs on the Focus.. a whole .6kg of gas. What is that as a direct cost on the material? I don't know? Would it be below or above $5, if so, by how much?

What will this mean to the end customer? Probably not much as I assume much of the cost associated with a re-gas is the labour / skills of the guy doing it and the storage equipment to hold the gas.

Having said that, I do very much feel sorry for the small business that will need to do all the extra work for this green BS... Would hate to be in your shoes.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by chamb0

So far, it seems the objections raised in this thread against the carbon tax can be summarised as thus:

- Some guy's mate's mechanic's mate said that chinese whispers are going to go up by 220%.

- A bloke calls for a revolution using biological tentanus warfare techniques, and seamlessly links the Clean Energy Bill with road speed limits.

- someone heard some rumour somewhere that the Green Party's political agenda is actually to campaign against air conditioning, because they don't like us to be comfy.

- A trustworthy, honourable sales rep came in someone’s door and told them that the figure will actually be 300%! Apparently, he had to get up off the floor after the rep took advantage of him.

- There might be some extra paperwork to do.

- A general whinge that the government loathes and despises entrepreneurs, forgetting entirely that the whole purpose of the scheme is to encourage innovation.

- Someone boasts their wide working knowledge of international human rights issues, saying that they have never known a country to hate its own citizens as much as Australia does. Obviously this person has visited Syria, but nothing was going on there, and Pol Pot has nothing on Gillard anyway.

- Some pleasant chitchat about bullets and massacres

- A dude with a firm grasp of international climate change politics has a crack, advocates complacency.

- Someone likens PM Gillard to a teenage girl with no boundaries – thanks, but no one wanted that image in their head.

- An anthropological thesis on Aboriginal life 40,000 years ago is put forward.

- Someone exhibits their own lofty levels of aptitude and competence by analysing the governments levels of aptitude and competence, ironically fumbling over some facts in the process

- The Clean Energy Bill shouldn't cover methane, only carbon dioxide, because everyone knows it's actually called the Carbon Tax (despite that term originating elsewhere)

- something about methane farts and the different variety of smells you can get.

- Someone protests: but I’m a person, I don’t like paying money for things, how can I not ever pay money for things? Also, Australians should whinge more.

- Someone describes it as a tax on breathing – give that man a PhD in economics.

- An assertion is made that anyone who doesn't agree with the above should do their research.

- An assertion is made that you shouldn't do your research, because you can never believe what you read. At the same time, you should never assume anything, nor listen to anything, and there is nothing you can do about anything.


Some people are still quite muddled up with the basic principles of the carbon tax and the compensation packages, despite it apparently being a major life event for them (judging by the amount of passionate rage and vitriol). Not to mention the fact that they have had nearly two years to learn about it. Fair call if you don’t agree with it, but if it matters to you so much, is it so hard to get the facts straight?

fact is its just another bs tax..

[Mr Hardware]

chamb0, that's possibly the best post on AFF ever.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Air-con Gass to rise by XXX percentage.

What is the cost of a re-gas? Around $80-120 depending on the postcode and the badge on the grille....

I looked up the specs on the Focus.. a whole .6kg of gas. What is that as a direct cost on the material? I don't know? Would it be below or above $5, if so, by how much?

What will this mean to the end customer? Probably not much as I assume much of the cost associated with a re-gas is the labour / skills of the guy doing it and the storage equipment to hold the gas.

Having said that, I do very much feel sorry for the small business that will need to do all the extra work for this green BS... Would hate to be in your shoes.

I did provide the details earlier:

Originally Posted by sudszy

The tax on refrigerants is based on the global warming potential of the gas compared to CO2. R134A(what most vehicles have) has a gwp of 1300, simply translated meaning 1kg of refrigerant released into the atmosphere has the same greenhouse effect/gwp as 1300kg of CO2.

The carbon ta x is at $23 per tonne. The $18 increase in new vehicles quoted in the fact sheet would appear to be calculated on the average systems having 600grams of refrigerant. This may be the average including small cars but larger systems are using close to 1kg, so perhaps to regas a falcon the extra cost would be closer to $30

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[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by Cúl-Báire

I believe we will see an exponential increase in the cost of goods, and services across the board with this one!!!... Thanks Labour!

Re: Aircon Gas, I've heard the same 220% increase come 30 June.

lol blame the companies passing the buck to their consumers, this tax is intended for them, but as usual the bigger picture isn't seen and the cost is simply passed down to the consumer so the company can retain their lucre.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

lol blame the companies passing the buck to their consumers, this tax is intended for them, but as usual the bigger picture isn't seen and the cost is simply passed down to the consumer so the company can retain their lucre.

every one including the creators of this tax knew that, so we will blame the people who brought it in

[J.C.]

So!
Are we going to start a revolution or what people?
Let me know what you all come up with as this thread is chock a block full of good stories and terrific ideas.
Cup of hot tea and off to bed for me. Another 4.30 start tomorrow. I got taxes to pay and politicians to support and keep in the lifestyles that they have grown accustomed to.
I wonder if we could claim them as dependents?

[Maka]

Originally Posted by J.C.

So!
Are we going to start a revolution or what people?
Let me know what you all come up with as this thread is chock a block full of good stories and terrific ideas.
Cup of hot tea and off to bed for me. Another 4.30 start tomorrow. I got taxes to pay and politicians to support and keep in the lifestyles that they have grown accustomed to.
I wonder if we could claim them as dependents?

For anyone who is familiar with Call of Duty - my name is Reznov.......

How many rpm's will it be starting at lol!

Thanks for the lol J.C



cheers,Maka

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

lol blame the companies passing the buck to their consumers, this tax is intended for them, but as usual the bigger picture isn't seen and the cost is simply passed down to the consumer so the company can retain their lucre.

Because everyone knows people go into business to give away their services and be philanthropists dont they . " Lucre " ! If only you had the faintest grasp of how close to the wind a lot of small businesses fly , and even if they dont profit is NOT a dirty word . If you dont want to pay for their services go elsewhere , unless it has escaped your notce we live in a capitalist society , if that is so offensive to you I hear Noth Korea is nice , you lot should fit right in with your chip on the shoulder world owes me a living left wing attitude . The loony left are out in full flight on this forum topic aren't they !!!!

[BHDOGS]

loony left because they dont agree with you or do you just generalize everybody normally to save time.