Toyota workers warned - Page 8

Flat Top · 31-01-2014, 02:06 PM

cant recall many people working sundays? but paid union attendance, no doctors notes, and legacy no productive flexability work practices are an on going problem for the whole industry .The Union needs to be prgmatic and turn the thing around . The plant can produce 160000 units a year that will bring the unit cost down to better than kentucky. They need to sell more!! and Australia wont yield the difference because of all the other 60 brands??
they need another model???based on camry platform

Bill M · 31-01-2014, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

you mean like when we had thriving industry?

A time of active unions, long service leave introduction and lifting the female wage to 75 % of their male counterparts. All the workforce benefited.
1950's management? You can keep that for your own employees.

irish2 · 31-01-2014, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GREGL

Sometimes you have to be a member of a union to access a worksite even though you are self employed . No membership no access , is this what you are trying to say ?

Not what I was trying to say at all. No workplace can refuse a worker regardless of union membership or not.

Syndrome · 03-02-2014, 01:00 PM

http://www.caradvice.com.au/268188/p...tive-industry/

**MercurySilver** · 03-02-2014, 01:55 PM

i thought closed shops were illegal now?
i know it isnt allowed in sa anymore

Outbackjack · 03-02-2014, 05:19 PM

One thing that always gets forgotten in conversations like these is the fact that we are affected by the tyranny of distance. To export thousands of cars the freight component must be added to the cost. Look at the UK. Their currency is perhaps the most over valued in the civilized world. But they export 100 times more than we do here in Australia. But their market place is right on their door step... The European union is also a bonus to them...

Which ever way it is looked at. No matter who is to blame. It is cheap imports and Australians willingness to buy them that has killed car manufacturing in Australia.

**Fordman1** · 03-02-2014, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

One thing that always gets forgotten in conversations like these is the fact that we are affected by the tyranny of distance. To export thousands of cars the freight component must be added to the cost. Look at the UK. Their currency is perhaps the most over valued in the civilized world. But they export 100 times more than we do here in Australia. But their market place is right on their door step... The European union is also a bonus to them...

Which ever way it is looked at. No matter who is to blame. It is cheap imports and Australians willingness to buy them that has killed car manufacturing in Australia.

Nicely put mate !

Apart from our cost of living ( and therefore labour cost ), it costs a lot more for us to export than other countries that are close to their export markets.

Geoff Polites was right, we need to be able to support local production with local sales, exports are the cream on top.

Once the local market volumes dropped, Ford Australia's plants' were doomed.

How many other exports are now in danger due to overseas competition ?

Pretty much everything that is made I reckon. And once commodity prices are undercut by overseas exporters, we are in the **** !!

mik · 04-02-2014, 10:08 AM

We are already in the crapper, walk in to any store other than a super market and try and find something Australian made , you may find something but it will be hard work, and then you will have to look at the materials it's made from and where they come from.
It would be interesting to see just what the break down is of import versus fully Australian made and supplied , i would take a punt and say about 90% import............ and on that note we should all give ourselves a swift kick in the bollocks for allowing such a travesty !!!

jpblue1000 · 04-02-2014, 10:30 AM

100% of what comes out of my office is australian made, owned and all earnings stay in the community...

JP

pottery beige · 04-02-2014, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mik

We are already in the crapper, walk in to any store other than a super market and try and find something Australian made , you may find something but it will be hard work, and then you will have to look at the materials it's made from and where they come from.
It would be interesting to see just what the break down is of import versus fully Australian made and supplied , i would take a punt and say about 90% import............ and on that note we should all give ourselves a swift kick in the bollocks for allowing such a travesty !!!

It is my god given right as an Australian to buy cheap chinesey imported crap
how dare you

mik · 04-02-2014, 03:58 PM

Pottery, I will allow you to give yourself an extra kick to the bollocks !

gtfpv · 04-02-2014, 08:52 PM

we're much better off and smarter as a nation if we get rid of all this crappy work anyway i reckon . smarter people dont need to know how to change a tyre , or make something , that's third world stuff . Australia has advanced beyond that rubbish !

cheap · 04-02-2014, 11:54 PM

So much for negotiations, the end is very near, is there anyone who still can not see the train wreck?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...1226817387341#

Toyota workers launch legal action to save entitlements

TOYOTA workers have launched new legal action to safeguard themselves from any further attempts by the motor giant to remove some of their entitlements. Amid increased uncertainty about the carmaker's future in Australia, the industrial dispute playing out in the Federal Court has taken another turn with shop stewards launching a cross appeal against the decision which last year blocked Toyota's move to cut some of their enterprise agreement's conditions.

Ford_The_Win · 05-02-2014, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap

So much for negotiations, the end is very near, is there anyone who still can not see the train wreck?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...1226817387341#

Toyota workers launch legal action to save entitlements

TOYOTA workers have launched new legal action to safeguard themselves from any further attempts by the motor giant to remove some of their entitlements. Amid increased uncertainty about the carmaker's future in Australia, the industrial dispute playing out in the Federal Court has taken another turn with shop stewards launching a cross appeal against the decision which last year blocked Toyota's move to cut some of their enterprise agreement's conditions.

They're screwed because of their entitlements, and they're taking the entitlements because they're screwed.

BHDOGS · 05-02-2014, 01:37 AM

They would have to be mad to give them up in this economy and climate toyotas gone the workers themselves would be hearing things we dont hear in the papers just like all the leaks i heard about holden before they decided to leave

82XD393.3v · 05-02-2014, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap

So much for negotiations, the end is very near, is there anyone who still can not see the train wreck?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...1226817387341#

Toyota workers launch legal action to save entitlements

TOYOTA workers have launched new legal action to safeguard themselves from any further attempts by the motor giant to remove some of their entitlements. Amid increased uncertainty about the carmaker's future in Australia, the industrial dispute playing out in the Federal Court has taken another turn with shop stewards launching a cross appeal against the decision which last year blocked Toyota's move to cut some of their enterprise agreement's conditions.

a clear indication toyota is leaving the workers must know, that's why they wont let go of theses extras or the union is dumber than i thought

BroadyFord · 05-02-2014, 11:45 AM

Given that closure is now all but certain, I'm curious as to what will be of the engine plant. It underwent a $300 million overhaul just 2 years ago.

**Charliewool** · 05-02-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BroadyFord

Given that closure is now all but certain, I'm curious as to what will be of the engine plant. It underwent a $300 million overhaul just 2 years ago.

Probably break it up for scrap (rather than any of it going to competition)
A mere piddle in the ocean when global turnover is 220 BILLION..

BroadyFord · 10-02-2014, 12:11 PM

Max Yasuda will be giving a routine address to workers today. Might get some hint as to where things are headed.

"We need to make changes in order to blah blah. If you refuse then have a nice life!"

**MercurySilver** · 10-02-2014, 12:34 PM

toyota shouldnt have agreed IN the EA negotiations then
they agreed to this in conjunction with union and non union workers

i agree, some of the conditions and stuff they get is a bit far, but those fools agreed to it
and dont give me the old if they didnt agree no one would have worked and the plant wouldve shut crap
they shouldve negotiated a better EA

Adamz Ghia · 10-02-2014, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MercurySilver

toyota shouldnt have agreed IN the EA negotiations then
they agreed to this in conjunction with union and non union workers

i agree, some of the conditions and stuff they get is a bit far, but those fools agreed to it
and dont give me the old if they didnt agree no one would have worked and the plant wouldve shut crap
they shouldve negotiated a better EA

A the end of the day, if they don't agree to terms Toyota will close. That attitude will get them real far...

mik · 10-02-2014, 03:13 PM

Part of the problem is a good percentage of people these days don't want their employers to stay in business. ....... because they want the payout........... money now, worry about employment later.

**MercurySilver** · 10-02-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

A the end of the day, if they don't agree to terms Toyota will close. That attitude will get them real far...

Don't agree.....its called a negotiation.
I just went thru one after our company laid off 85 workerss.

But anyway.....Toyota is stuffed.

Bossxr8 · 10-02-2014, 07:37 PM

Means nothing now.

Kayos · 11-02-2014, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I'm fully wake & don’t think it is finished!! Granted it is not looking good, but there is still a little glimmer of hope. And on this Australian day, I'll take that small chance. There is very different language coming out of Toyota when compared to Holden & Ford. They seem committed to it. They have only ever closed 1 (or is it 2?) plants in their history, so closing plants is not something they do!!

Also, Ford build 30K per year & had no real plan to greatly raise that & Holden's post 2017 costings were built around 65K per year production levels. Toyota is costing/ building around 100-110K. That is a scale of economy that the other 2 could only dream of.

Sorry Joe but it came earlier than first expected, like I said here's a reminder. It's finished, and I'm glad that they went down after damaging sales to both Ford and Holden