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Old 06-12-2018, 06:50 AM   #61
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SUVs are popular with some people because they are easier to enter and exit.

I think over the years ride height of sedan based vehicles has got lower compared to earlier models.
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SUVs are popular with some people because they are easier to enter and exit.

I think over the years ride height of sedan based vehicles has got lower compared to earlier models.
Go have a look at 60/70s cars parked next to something like an FGX/VF2 .. they are lower .. some are a LOT lower.

Personally I'm not a fan of the boxes that are SUVs .. but I understand why people buy them .. kind of. They spend most of their time doing average speed of 25km/h so don't need power nor handling. They spend most of their time in carparks as their entertainment is going shopping, loading/unloading kids so they need something with good access. They never really leave the city so they don't need a real 4WD just some FWD facade of one.

The one that does get me is the old "good visibility" mantra? Really? Now that every person is driving one, doesn't that kind of mean everyone in the same boat for limited visibility again?
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Go have a look at 60/70s cars parked next to something like an FGX/VF2 .. they are lower .. some are a LOT lower.

Personally I'm not a fan of the boxes that are SUVs .. but I understand why people buy them .. kind of. They spend most of their time doing average speed of 25km/h so don't need power nor handling. They spend most of their time in carparks as their entertainment is going shopping, loading/unloading kids so they need something with good access. They never really leave the city so they don't need a real 4WD just some FWD facade of one.

The one that does get me is the old "good visibility" mantra? Really? Now that every person is driving one, doesn't that kind of mean everyone in the same boat for limited visibility again?
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Most drivers don't treat the road like a race track, or some sort of competition.
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My daily is so small and low I look under the SUV's and 'trucks'!
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I think some people just need to come to terms and accept that the average car buyers wants and needs have changed over the last decade or two.

Not everyone wants the same thing, but the average falcodore owner used to be in the majority of the buying public whereas now it's a tiny niche market. Some don't seem to be able to accept that.
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I think some people just need to come to terms and accept that the average car buyers wants and needs have changed over the last decade or two.

Not everyone wants the same thing, but the average falcodore owner used to be in the majority of the buying public whereas now it's a tiny niche market. Some don't seem to be able to accept that.
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Generally speaking, imo the average peoples needs in vehicles have been roughly the same over the years but better suited & equipped vehicles to their needs have been released onto the market which the market have snapped up in droves actually.

I & others who prefer to drive sedans or coupes etc are now in a niche market yes & im not crying over it trust me lol but its my choice because what i want in a vehicle is different to a soccer mum or a tradie & outdoors type etc.

Personally i'm a sporting car enthusiast first & foremost & i like many others value a sporting cars or even a normal sedans etc dynamic driving abilities over gadgets, bling & versatility in a average persons car any day, so my missus has the land barge for those day to day family duties.

I would rather feel like a king of the road than a (barge) queen of the road in my choice of vehicle ha ha!!

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I think some people just need to come to terms and accept that the average car buyers wants and needs have changed over the last decade or two.

Not everyone wants the same thing, but the average falcodore owner used to be in the majority of the buying public whereas now it's a tiny niche market. Some don't seem to be able to accept that.
Especially if they are not even in the new car market, the car companies care little about that tiny niche
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The one that does get me is the old "good visibility" mantra? Really? Now that every person is driving one, doesn't that kind of mean everyone in the same boat for limited visibility again?
Not really.
As i pointed out, a Camry is much lower than a Mazda 5, if you and the bloke next to you are both in Mazda 5's visibility would be like both being in Camry's, you're not better off having bought the SUV in a sea of SUV's, you've just returned the status quo that existed when we all drove sedans.
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I drive a Picanto GT Line so i too have that advantage...

I thought about getting the new Picanto X Line but heights scare me..
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I drive a Picanto GT Line so i too have that advantage...

I thought about getting the new Picanto X Line but heights scare me..
They are really cool these little Picantoís!I have a Mazda2 Genki(2005) terrific little car!Zoom,Zoom!
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I don't understand why anyone would buy a sedan over an SUV or dual cab. Way more practical. I ran xr8 utes for years but eventually the lack of towing ability, bad economy, unwanted attention and a wet lawn being an impassable obstacle forced my hand into a new ranger and I love it. I would have bought a new falcon ute if I could have, but its not there, so who's to blame? The thousands of people who also realised that they're not very useful.
I ran a diesel cruze and a D4D good vehicles, but still prefer the ute..
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I don't understand why anyone would buy a sedan over an SUV or dual cab. Way more practical. I ran xr8 utes for years but eventually the lack of towing ability, bad economy, unwanted attention and a wet lawn being an impassable obstacle forced my hand into a new ranger and I love it. I would have bought a new falcon ute if I could have, but its not there, so who's to blame? The thousands of people who also realised that they're not very useful.
Because I ENJOY driving something with actual handling and performance... No SUV this side of $100k comes close to my redline in this respect. Add to the fact that being a Commodore its an epic road trip car... Big boot, plenty of space and comfy. But that's just me, my sedan suits ME better and i'm stuffed if I know what to buy next...

I know I'm at odd's with most of the rest of the buying public but it doesn't make me wrong...

I also own an SUV (Wife's Grand Cherokee) and can see why they are so popular but I just don't enjoy it like I do my car... Wifey loves it so that's what is important.
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In my full on Ford days I despised the SUV and 4x4 owner. They blocked the view of everything and I didn't understand why people frothed over them so much.

as I got older, I actually wanted to be able to drive a car a bit off road without worrying about crap roads, dust, grass, mud or gravel. The lowered sedans are great when you are on quality roads, but SA has very few of those to take advantage of. As Im getting older though, the aches and pains are more prevalent than ever before.

As of 6 months ago, I bought my first SUV as a daily car. The benefits for me were ease of getting in and out of it, awesome fuel consumption, higher seating position and the ability to hit some trails without wondering what pothole or rock I need to avoid. It's like a feeling of freedom.

Don't get me wrong, I still have my Liberty GT sedan ready for when the 'go fast' bug bites, but having the SUV has filled a void I never knew I had. It's a good feeling and I find I am a bit more patient with other like minded folk.
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I drive a Picanto GT Line so i too have that advantage...

I thought about getting the new Picanto X Line but heights scare me..
I'd hazard a guess the picanto towers above my 3 door 1997 subazuki!
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Because I ENJOY driving something with actual handling and performance... No SUV this side of $100k comes close to my redline in this respect. Add to the fact that being a Commodore its an epic road trip car... Big boot, plenty of space and comfy. But that's just me, my sedan suits ME better and i'm stuffed if I know what to buy next...

I know I'm at odd's with most of the rest of the buying public but it doesn't make me wrong...

I also own an SUV (Wife's Grand Cherokee) and can see why they are so popular but I just don't enjoy it like I do my car... Wifey loves it so that's what is important.
Spot on mate re the Mrs's.
Mine loves her previous Jeep and now CX5.
Thats all that counts......
I love my performance Falcs T3 and Sprint manual 8 but my daily is 4x4hilux and I enjoy driving that vanilla better than I expected.
Personally I have no care for SUV's but the performance ones are nice, AMG's/Bimmer X4's etc but I wouldn't buy those anyway, hate the depreciation but horse's for course's.
I don't care of other peoples rides their choice and more SUV's on the road why care tbh.
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[QUOTE=blueoval;6225634]In my full on Ford days I despised the SUV and 4x4 owner. They blocked the view of everything and I didn't understand why people frothed over them so much.

as I got older, I actually wanted to be able to drive a car a bit off road without worrying about crap roads, dust, grass, mud or gravel. The lowered sedans are great when you are on quality roads, but SA has very few of those to take advantage of. As Im getting older though, the aches and pains are more prevalent than ever before.


One of the ďconvertedĒ! Now you ďget itĒ.As you get older you appreciate SUVís for their height,ease of ingress & egress,very comfortable to drive.Cheers
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My folks got one a while back after Mum had both hips and a knee done, the old man hates the idea of it but it gets Mum in and out alot easier. He's always got my T1 parked in the back of his garage if he wants it.
Me, I'm getting used to seeing them now, usually in my rear view mirror...
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People want them, and are prepared to go into debt to buy them. The manufacturers are happy because they can charge more for them than an equivalent sized sedan.

I do think ford is making a mistake dumping all the sedan tooling and development that will come back to bite them. Now gm are following suit.

Not everyone wants to drive an suv!!
I'd consider a dual or single cab ute but it would have to have a decent engine - say Ranger 4x2 with a 2.3L Ecoboost 4 or 2.7L Ecoboost V6, something like that would be on my radar, similar to say the 1990s Chevrolet C/K 1500 454SS or Ford F150 Lightning, can still keep the rear drums and leaf springs but dress it up a little with an aggressive body kit, lower it and stick some nice OE style silver finish wheels on it with lower profile tyres, 230KW-270KW under the hood and I'd be blowing dudes behind maccas for $10 a pop saving up for one.

I've bought two new cars in the past decade, at the moment there isn't really anything on the market thats new that appeals, maybe Chrysler 300 SRT but its a god damn Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge product - too expensive for parts and no one knows how to fix them, otherwise Kia Stinger gets a look-in but its too expensive for something with a Kia badge on it.

Basically a ute but with some balls under the hood, thats why I like the American dual cab utes, they fit 4 people in them comfortably but they've got some muscle under the hood as well, even the diesel variants are 300KW+

Speaking of which I've seen a few of the new Silverados that HSV is importing on Melbourne's roads over the last few days.

My old man has a Fiesta ST with the Mountune package - I don't mind driving it, its alright I guess but its still lacking in the balls department.
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People keep saying SUVís are boring, and hey too each there own

For mine, I canít think of any car built in recent years thatís exciting, they all feel like appliances

Yes my daily is a late model 4WD duel cab POS, it just does a job but itís not exciting

The last car as a daily I owned that was less than mundane and not heavily modified was my ZK fairlane was only a 302 but it wasnít sterile like a modern car

So as far as Iím concerned, if someone decides an suv is the right thing for the. So be it
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The one that does get me is the old "good visibility" mantra? Really? Now that every person is driving one, doesn't that kind of mean everyone in the same boat for limited visibility again?
Kinda like having to have an auto because of traffic.
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Because I ENJOY driving something with actual handling and performance... No SUV this side of $100k comes close to my redline in this respect. Add to the fact that being a Commodore its an epic road trip car... Big boot, plenty of space and comfy.
I had a 2015 Commodore Calais V wagon for six months last year as my work vehicle. Even took it on a long road trip. Awesome set of wheels. But, frankly, over-tyred. It was quite exhausting to drive on secondary roads, particularly as it wanted to tram-track every little imperfection in the road. I agree that this road behaviour is a characteristic of the Calais' suspension tune and not generally applicable to all modern sedans.

What I liked about my (sadly departed) AWD Territory and current AWD CX-5 is that the additional ground clearance and AWD allows me to adventure a little but further off road. Both are excellent in the snow. Both work well on sandy tracks and light boggy roads. And, unlike RWD/FWD, they scuttle cleanly across intersections in the wet. Each to their own.
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Kinda like having to have an auto because of traffic.
I love how owners of manual cars like to act like itís never an inconvenience.
Now I love driving manual cars, but bumper to bumper traffic is not one of those times.
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I love how owners of manual cars like to act like itís never an inconvenience.
Now I love driving manual cars, but bumper to bumper traffic is not one of those times.
sorry off topic.
Mate, seriously each to their own but on the manual comment.
Todays manuals are nothing like the ol day hard clutchs and long H pattern gates.
I grew up with them considering traffic was traffic back in those days and i tell you, driving my manual Sprint in current bumper to bumper Sydney traffic is easy as.
Those who have small manual Hatchs are even more of a toy to drive shifting gears its no big deal.
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This.
The problem I have the abundance of SUVs on the market, is that they're not.

Somewhere along the line, manufacturers have convinced the gormless masses that SUVs are somehow prestigious and worth spending more money on.
And then rather than actually building an SUV, they take some average little juice-box, fit an oversized body (that adds weigh without offering any more space, jack it up on tall tyres, and call it an SUV.

A while back We bought my daughter a new Lancer. For what she wanted, its a great little car. Perfect size for females (or kids or Asians), huge boot, good features, reasonable economy and drives ok. (Although the CVT is annoying.)
Recently she had to get a hire car and she opted for the Overlander, which is simply a Lancer in drag. It had a little more headroom, which I enjoyed, however the extra weight was noticeable. 3 adults on board, and it really struggled from a standing start.
And a starting price around $8k more. No wonder they stopped making the Lancer to concentrate on their crossovers.
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Mate, seriously each to their own but on the manual comment.
Todays manuals are nothing like the ol day hard clutchs and long H pattern gates.
I grew up with them considering traffic was traffic back in those days and i tell you, driving my manual Sprint in current bumper to bumper Sydney traffic is easy as.
Those who have small manual Hatchs are even more of a toy to drive shifting gears its no big deal.
Yeah fair enough, modern manuals are much easier I do agree.
Of the cars Iíve owned, the manuals were the most fun and Iím in no way anti manual. But Iíll still maintain that stop start 5km/h traffic is not one of those fun times, and having an auto is a welcome convenience.
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Yeah fair enough, modern manuals are much easier I do agree.
Of the cars Iíve owned, the manuals were the most fun and Iím in no way anti manual. But Iíll still maintain that stop start 5km/h traffic is not one of those fun times, and having an auto is a welcome convenience.
Especially in peak traffic like Sydney or Melbourne.Ugh! Lucky for me all my running is Hwy in & out of work!
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So many of the idiots driving these

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So many of the idiots driving these

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seem to have problems staying in lanes!
Ouch! Have some ďchill pills.ĒNot everybody drives like that! They are certainly not ďunstableĒ!
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