DSC on BF Falcons

MattstaF6 · 10-09-2017, 12:38 AM

Hi Guys

I have a question im sure some of you would know. I have a BF 2 Typhoon and was wondering if these cars have Electronic Stability Control, or ESC?

This shows it does

http://australiancar.reviews/reviews...e=FPV&model=F6 Typhoon&gen=281&pno=0

also the below link says its optional. Im guessing standard on FPV

http://www.nextcar.com.au/n.ford.fal...nch.06oct.html

**russellw** · 10-09-2017, 08:17 AM

The Typhoon, yes.

MattstaF6 · 10-09-2017, 09:17 AM

Thanks for your reply Russell. I wasnt sure as the sites like Carsales dont put that in. As far as i am aware, this ESC was optional on the BF series 2 falcons but standard on the XR6 turbo and XR8 amd also the Fairmont Ghia, so i would assume it was standard also on the FPV's. I always thought it was just the FG series that it came out in.

Crazy Dazz · 10-09-2017, 07:19 PM

My Cobra definitely had it

MattstaF6 · 10-09-2017, 08:19 PM

How do you know and was it a BF?

**DFB FGXR6** · 10-09-2017, 08:46 PM

DSC was not available on BF and BF MK II FPV models.

Only become standard on FPV from FG onwards.

MattstaF6 · 10-09-2017, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

DSC was not available on BF and BF MK II FPV models.

Only become standard on FPV from FG onwards.

But it was standard on the BF xr6 turbo? Doesn't make sense

.:4:. · 10-09-2017, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MattstaF6

But it was standard on the BF xr6 turbo? Doesn't make sense

Fairmont ghias got it also

MattstaF6 · 10-09-2017, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by .:4:.

Fairmont ghias got it also

Yeah so you would think the FPV's would have it

**DFB FGXR6** · 10-09-2017, 09:08 PM

From memory, the engineering cost was prohibitive for FPV. FPV's BF programme money was spent on new bumpers and dual exhaust system. They did have traction control though.

MattstaF6 · 13-09-2017, 09:51 PM

So from what i gather. Anyone with ESC that changes there rim size or brake size could affect the way there ESC works?

Whitey-AMG · 13-09-2017, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MattstaF6

So from what i gather. Anyone with ESC that changes there rim size or brake size could affect the way there ESC works?

Wheel size only if front to rear have different rolling diameter as ABS uses wheel sensor speed to activate. So if the ABS control module registers vastly different front to rear rotating speeds then it will activate to control the wheel that is spinning faster, essentially thinking you've lost traction in that wheel. DSC uses ABS as well as yaw and accelerometer sensors to adjust traction as well as trajectory. So if you fit larger wheels that have different rolling diameter front to rear ( usually staggered sets with incorrect profile matching ) then you will have issues with ABS which in turn will affect the DSC as well.

MattstaF6 · 14-09-2017, 07:21 PM

Cant u just turn it off

**BFIIGhiaZF6** · 11-10-2017, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MattstaF6

Cant u just turn it off

You can, just press and hold this button for 2 secs,

and this comes up,

speaks for itself

I wouldn't, DSC is probably the best thing since ABS, it works in combination with ABS and has saved me from idiotic drivers a couple of times

Steve FGXG6E · 14-09-2017, 08:48 PM

http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Conte...=1163399758071

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bangm001 · 11-10-2017, 11:57 AM

Does it turn off when traction control is off? Pretty sure it doesnt. DSC is always active. Someone correct me if im wrong here.
I have always used the double touch start up on all my cars, start button, TC off.
The wifes new mazda needs a 3 push startup, Start, TC off, Stop/start off.
I hate cars that require more than one button to turn that stuff off. Not much choice left now holden and ford are gone.

Bossxr8 · 11-10-2017, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bangm001

Does it turn off when traction control is off? Pretty sure it doesnt. DSC is always active. Someone correct me if im wrong here.
I have always used the double touch start up on all my cars, start button, TC off.
The wifes new mazda needs a 3 push startup, Start, TC off, Stop/start off.
I hate cars that require more than one button to turn that stuff off. Not much choice left now holden and ford are gone.

I think one touch is tc off, or hold it down for 5 or 10 seconds to switch both off.

**BFIIGhiaZF6** · 11-10-2017, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bangm001

Does it turn off when traction control is off? Pretty sure it doesnt. DSC is always active. Someone correct me if im wrong here.
I have always used the double touch start up on all my cars, start button, TC off.
The wifes new mazda needs a 3 push startup, Start, TC off, Stop/start off.
I hate cars that require more than one button to turn that stuff off. Not much choice left now holden and ford are gone.

Can only speak for my 2007 BF11 Ghia, just checked my drivers manual, in my case DSC comes on automatically at start up and you have the option of turning it off manually by pressing and holding the DSC button for one second, DSC and TC are integrated and turning it off turns off both.

DSC monitors all 4 wheels in conjunction with ABS, whereas TC only monitors the driven wheels.

Earlier Falcons had TC only and ABS (my EL Ghia had), and TC could also be turned off manually.

When I had the cheap tyres on I could bring DSC into action easily in the wet, since putting good tyres on haven't seen it once, apart from when avoiding the occasional idiotic driver

, that's why I have never turned DSC or TC off, you never know when your going to need it

the_scotsman · 13-10-2017, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bangm001

Does it turn off when traction control is off? Pretty sure it doesnt. DSC is always active. Someone correct me if im wrong here.

Nah, that button is a one touch does everything. It turns DSC off. DSC includes traction control. There's no way to turn one off without the other, they're all part of the same system.

Unless the FPVs are different?

**M&Ms** · 13-10-2017, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by the_scotsman

Nah, that button is a one touch does everything. It turns DSC off. DSC includes traction control. There's no way to turn one off without the other, they're all part of the same system.

Unless the FPVs are different?

Correct, one button for both. However, the FG is smart enough to sense when you're in deep $h#t and apparently comes back on to save you.

boss351290 · 11-10-2017, 10:20 PM

About 3 years ago I had a flat tyre in my fg 2009 xr6 turbo. Put the space saver spare on and all the warning lights came on.. no abs. No dsc. no traction control. Got the tyre fixed put the original alloy back on and within 30 seconds of driving all systems back to normal

**BFIIGhiaZF6** · 11-10-2017, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by boss351290

About 3 years ago I had a flat tyre in my fg 2009 xr6 turbo. Put the space saver spare on and all the warning lights came on.. no abs. No dsc. no traction control. Got the tyre fixed put the original alloy back on and within 30 seconds of driving all systems back to normal

Got rid of my so called "space saver" hooey asap,

and put a full size alloy spare in the boot

**Mechan1k** · 12-10-2017, 12:37 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's not a space saver ... that's about as close as circumference to your alloy. And found on base model non-1T utes as standard.

If you want to see a space saver ... look in the boot of an FG .... it's like a bicycle tyre .... literally.

**BFIIGhiaZF6** · 12-10-2017, 09:35 AM

Anything limited to 80kph as that is is pretty useless as far as I'm concerned and it is referred to as a space saver in my owners manual, was glad to get a real spare in the boot, my 97 EL Ghia had a full size alloy for a spare, sounds like the cost cutting just got worse in the spare wheel department as time went by

**M&Ms** · 12-10-2017, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BF11GhiaZF6

Anything limited to 80kph as that is is pretty useless as far as I'm concerned and it is referred to as a space saver in my owners manual, was glad to get a real spare in the boot, my 97 EL Ghia had a full size alloy for a spare, sounds like the cost cutting just got worse in the spare wheel department as time went by

It was still a factory option, to the tune of $300 I believe.

In real terms, a new BF2 Ghia was quite a bit cheaper RRP than an EL Ghia.

Mercury Bullet · 12-10-2017, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BF11GhiaZF6

Anything limited to 80kph as that is is pretty useless as far as I'm concerned and it is referred to as a space saver in my owners manual, was glad to get a real spare in the boot, my 97 EL Ghia had a full size alloy for a spare, sounds like the cost cutting just got worse in the spare wheel department as time went by

They all have the 80k sticker on them. R-spec cars have a gt rim for the spare and it has an 80k sticker even though it's exactly the same as the wheels/tyres that are mounted.

I had one of your rims in my xt , it's full-size but only 16" and a larger profile.

As mechanik said, spacesavers are more like bicycle tyres, a tiny rim with a huge profile.
They are really dangerous imo and I won't have one in my car.

So don't throw your spare, it's usable.

**BFIIGhiaZF6** · 13-10-2017, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

They all have the 80k sticker on them. R-spec cars have a gt rim for the spare and it has an 80k sticker even though it's exactly the same as the wheels/tyres that are mounted.

I had one of your rims in my xt , it's full-size but only 16" and a larger profile.

As mechanik said, spacesavers are more like bicycle tyres, a tiny rim with a huge profile.
They are really dangerous imo and I won't have one in my car.

So don't throw your spare, it's usable.

Still have it, it's a 16

but just prefer to have a Ghia alloy spare (have 4)

and not be limited to 80kph if I need to use it, peace of mind and looks

was also concerned that the ZF6 would be upset by it, let alone the DSC or ABS.

Best one is in the boot

**data_mine** · 12-10-2017, 12:50 PM

Not just cost cutting, but striving for fuel efficiency numbers too (a lighter spare will have some minute saving over time), because that's all buyers these days care about.

(so win win as far as the bean counters are concerned)

**solarite_guy** · 13-10-2017, 12:54 PM

Interesting.

I just noticed the "Low Velocity".

I will guess those things are made for suppressors. Suppressors can only work to reduce muzzle blast from the gasses. It can do nothing against the mini sonic boom of bullet breaking the sound barrier.

**BFIIGhiaZF6** · 13-10-2017, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by solarite_guy

Interesting.

I just noticed the "Low Velocity".

I will guess those things are made for suppressors. Suppressors can only work to reduce muzzle blast from the gasses. It can do nothing against the mini sonic boom of bullet breaking the sound barrier.

Correct, Blue nose 158gm for UZI suppressor, link is my UZI 158 rego:yummy