ANDRA Rule change?

**Tucool** · 02-05-2011, 05:47 PM

G'day all,

I find it hard to swallow that a bike rider can do a 10 second pass with just the usual protective gear and if your car creeps into a 11.99 pass you get told to go home (Perth Motorplex Street Meets) and come back with a four point harness,tailshaft loop etc.
I think with todays modern cars fitted with Disc brakes all round,Airbags,ABS,DSC etc. shouldn't have to comply with this rule, my objection to this rule is mainly I don't want disfigure my car for a unfair and outdated rule.
Does anyone know how to get the rule looked out by ANDRA with a view to modernising it.
Or am I kicking a

dyno junkie · 02-05-2011, 05:59 PM

Or am I kicking a

prasac · 02-05-2011, 06:02 PM

rules will only get tougher

63futura · 02-05-2011, 06:08 PM

So how are people fitting 4 point harneses ?
Where are you mounting them to and where are you allowed to without a cage ?

marcuss · 02-05-2011, 06:23 PM

Is wearing a helmet safety overkill? If you have a modern car you won't need one right? Where should the cutoff point be for extras like harnesses, cages, loops etc? 10.99, 9.99?

The line must be drawn somewhere and fortunately drag racing errs on the side of caution. Not many injuries in drag racing accidents and for that we must thank ANDRA. Hopefully all the safety gear fitted to race cars never needs to be used.

63futura · 02-05-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by marcuss

Is wearing a helmet safety overkill? If you have a modern car you won't need one right? Where should the cutoff point be for extras like harnesses, cages, loops etc? 10.99, 9.99?

The line must be drawn somewhere and fortunately drag racing errs on the side of caution. Not many injuries in drag racing accidents and for that we must thank ANDRA. Hopefully all the safety gear fitted to race cars never needs to be used.

I agree totally just wish ANDRA would talk to transport dep so we could have all these safety devices in place and still drive on the street without hasles from the police

Ivan · 02-05-2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 63futura

So how are people fitting 4 point harneses ?
Where are you mounting them to and where are you allowed to without a cage ?

Check out this thread from the South Coast Raceway forum. You may have to register though.

http://www.southcoastraceway.com/for....php?f=28&t=60

prasac · 03-05-2011, 05:15 PM

here's a good reason why the rules are as they stand. http://onehd.com.au/video.htm?movide...e!News%20Story for those that didn't see Sports Tonight last night. Paccy's full tube car hitting the wall at about 300km/h on Sunday. if it was a normal street car even at half speed, u would have seen alot more damage, but because of all the ANDRA rules in place, the driver came out uninjured. if ur doing 10's ur doing about 120mph nearly 200km/h.

Tocchi · 03-05-2011, 07:15 PM

^^ as ive said on another forum and good old FB, it's a testament to the safety built into these cars ... i still find it unbelievable when people complain about getting kicked out of the drags when they run a 10 in their street car.
Yes the street cars are 2-3 seconds slower .. but at 130-140mph they will come off a lot worse than this (PAC) car at 180mph

SNB05T · 03-05-2011, 07:19 PM

im running in street fighter (13.00 - 16.99) at Sydney Dragway and even i run a 4 point harness, full suit, gloves and shoes (im looking to build a SS/BB car in the next 2 years) as well as 2 fire extinguishers (i'd rather be safe than sorry).
Helmets are compulsory for a reason even in a 2003 xr8.

i really think cages etc should be enforced from 11.00 not 10.99 as some of the cars i've seen and ran against in S/ST can get pretty hairy.
like i said better to be safe than sorry.

**data_mine** · 03-05-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 63futura

I agree totally just wish ANDRA would talk to transport dep so we could have all these safety devices in place and still drive on the street without hasles from the police

Police aren't going to see/find a tail shaft loop (not required on a B series 'coon anyway due to the two piece shaft)

Get a clip in 4 point harness, can remove on street (or not, I've never been hassled). Mount to the two rear seat bolts of the front seat, and to the parcel shelf.

It only starts to get annoying, when you need a cage and chute (and 5/6 point harness, when you need a race bucket seat too). And then you're getting serious because you're doing 9's and 140+MPH, so safety is important, and the car probably not road legal anyway.

63futura · 03-05-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by data_mine

Police aren't going to see/find a tail shaft loop (not required on a B series 'coon anyway due to the two piece shaft)

Get a clip in 4 point harness, can remove on street (or not, I've never been hassled). Mount to the two rear seat bolts of the front seat, and to the parcel shelf.

It only starts to get annoying, when you need a cage and chute (and 5/6 point harness, when you need a race bucket seat too). And then you're getting serious because you're doing 9's and 140+MPH, so safety is important, and the car probably not road legal anyway.

I was really refering to cages
Dont worry im all for safety after racing motorbikes for a 11 years and having my fare share of crashes and broken bones and nearly loosing a leg
If you didnt get hasled for having a cage i would have one even if my car only ran 13s

Jorgo85 · 08-05-2011, 01:58 AM

Speaking of cages, what rules do you have to adhere to when building one? ie what diameter tubing/wall thickness, welding etc...

**data_mine** · 08-05-2011, 02:09 AM

It's all in the ANDRA (or CAMS if building for circuit use) rule books.

That or go to a recognised cage builder, they know what they're doing (ot are supposed to).

dyno junkie · 08-05-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by data_mine

Police aren't going to see/find a tail shaft loop (not required on a B series 'coon anyway due to the two piece shaft)

Tail shaft loop is required on cars with two piece shaft.

**data_mine** · 08-05-2011, 09:58 PM

I've never been picked up for not having one.

ash68 · 10-05-2011, 04:17 PM

tail shaft loop must be no than 150mm behind the front uni .i race a ba ute in s/st and at 118mph if you went over on your roof i would prefer to be in a harness.i have also rolled a rally car at high speed .after an accident like that you appreciate saftey rules. you can mount the bottom of the harness to original mounts and leave the lap sash there for the street weld two nuts to 75mm-75mm plates and they will slide into the panel behind the seat for top bolts leave the harness behind the seat for the street you wouldnt know its their

**data_mine** · 10-05-2011, 05:29 PM

My harness in a clip in one, so all that's left is eye-bolts, which you'd have to seriously look for.
View through rear window showing both mounting points and harness.

View of the inside, of the right-most mounting point.

Corzza · 13-05-2011, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tucool

G'day all,

I find it hard to swallow that a bike rider can do a 10 second pass with just the usual protective gear and if your car creeps into a 11.99 pass you get told to go home (Perth Motorplex Street Meets) and come back with a four point harness,tailshaft loop etc.

This is only at perth motorplex right? WSID you just got to buy the licence

**Tucool** · 29-11-2011, 03:45 PM

See if you whinge enough look what happens

JOSH · 29-11-2011, 04:04 PM

please explain???

JOSH · 29-11-2011, 05:38 PM

Just heard, I'm glad I held off getting my cage untill next year.

zc347 · 16-01-2012, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tucool

See if you whinge enough look what happens

http://motorplex.platformdirect.com....nal_291111.pdf

This is what happens!