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it doesn't surprise me and confirms what I had been saying all along too all the people that said the GT-R spec would have no chance against this thing in a straight line. its probably pumping about the same as the GT-R spec at the wheels. I did say if this thing is faster it would be by much as HSV and holden seem too lose a lot of power via driveline.
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To be fair my old Falcon GT was bloody quick at getting to the service department. I'd barely have driven it out of there and it was back in. ;)
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Going by the zl1 is the states, they trap 113 to 116 mph down the quarter. I'm not expecting hsv to be quicker.
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judging by tour sig, that's not bad for a showroom with warranty.
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Personally, i like the GTS. Look likes a good all round package, has heaps of power/torque and from the limited reviews handles well too. Hasn't this been one of the complaints from many about Holden/Ford for years on end. HSV have finally brought out what looks to be a fantastic overall package, and it's still not enough for some people. People can compare the cars to each other, or even euro's all they like, but realistically the people who can afford them won't really give a rats. I doubt some one wanting a C63 will care if the GTS is a little quicker. Anyway, it makes my decision a tough one next year... Tempted to go a low km GT, throw a tune, exhaust, injectors and intercooler at it plus some nice coilovers and have a great package. On the other hand, i could pay 20-30k more and have a very nice overall package from the factory. Lets not forget that the GTS also comes with a heap of tech. Some of it might be a bit of a w*nk, but none the less, it's there. I'm really looking forward to when these are available and a few of the owners take them to the track and start tinkering with them. I really hope that FPV produce one last GT next year, with an upgraded interior and similar tech to the GTS... Not holding my breath though! |
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Why do people have such an obsession with 0-100 times when in reality its mostly dependant on traction more than anything else.
A true indication of what kind of power a car is putting down is the 1/4mile, and even truer is the trap speed. Id expect the GTS to hit near 200kmh in the traps on a drag strip.
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Oh, the Caddy CTSV, which has the same drivetrain, does 12 flat at 118mph (190kmh)
It also does 0-60mph in 3.9. And it weighs 100kg heavier than the GTS.
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I'm impressed by the 0-100 time but I'm looking past that. I read the article as though I am in the market. I've got a 335 and love it. It's tuned, has Tein suspension with EDFC, ive put 20" wheels on it with better and wider tyres. ive fitted extractors, cats and exhaust and near $15k worth of stereo. I'm going to intercool it, do the injectors, smaller blower pulley, maybe the snout, upgrade the trans to handle the power, overhaul the diff to handle the extra power, tailshaft and I'm going to put a set of Harrop ultimate brakes on it.
Yes. My 335 will probably owe me $100k+ when I'm done. You read all the things HSV have done with this car, down to upgraded thicker half shafts, a 9.75" diff centre, the size of the brakes etc. These are all UNIQUE to this particular model of car- not even an option on the others. They have built what appears to be a no compromise performance car. I'm a Ford man through and through, but I'm not ignorant enough to ignore a fair bloody effort. This thing will be a weapon and honestly I'm impressed. I wouldnt sell anything I have to have one in its place, but I tip my hat to HSV. If this was Ford or fpv with exactly the same car we'd be singing like it was the return of the messiah... Seriously, we don't have to bag it because its not a Ford. Fpv's GT is responsible for raising the bar for HSV to counter and they've had a fair crack. The GTS is the goods and if Ford hadn't done such a good job the HSV loyalists would have a new GTS with another token 5-10kw for a model change. This, however, is a significant improvement and is a serious competitor. Ford don't have a car where they've gone to these lengths, despite how good the donor car for THAT car would be if they did...
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At least this thing was always going to exist...
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Which ever way you look at it the HSV is going to be a great car with that amount of power.
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A 6.2 litre and its intercooled pfffft, braging rites have always been about 1/4 mile times and 0 - 100 times, the HSV is undoubtably the best all round car ever built in Australia but I'd rather a W427 myself, but you really have to hand it to FPV, they haven't had the luxury of picking a crate motor from the states like HSV have always done, imagine if they intercooled the Miami ? As it is it gives away 1.2 litres in displacement and doesn't have a IC.
And we haven't even mentioned the F6, both the F6 and GT will be right up there in straight line performance.
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Having said that, i'm still leaning towards a GT next year, if for no other reason than to keep 30k in my pocket... However, if the GTS was closer to 80k, i don't think i'd be so loyal! By the time i do the mods i want on the GT (intercooler, tune, suspension, brakes, etc), it will probably owe me 85k, so that makes the GTS a 15k difference, so it's very tempting. |
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It's easy to dwell on the features and gaps of high series cars but in the big picture,
sales of GTS is going to be a rather low percentage of the overall HSV sales, the main goal for HSV is getting buyers back into entry and mid level Clubsport models, which is their bread and butter.. I wonder about that and whether Holden's new pricing structure has dragged more would be HSV buyers into SS-V and in particular the Redline version which is seriously good value but in saying that, the HSV name carries a lot of prestige with their grass roots supporters... |
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Gts is a unicorn, and until (if) its here then the r spec deserves its place in the sun as Australia's fastest ever. How dare people on a ford forum want to espouse the qualities of a ford over a yet to be seen Holden... |
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Dash should just buy a Holden already and be done with it. Sick of seeing him bag out the Fords.
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So I can't buy one.... Can only put down a deposit....
How many deposits did Holden take for that 7 litre monaro race car that never eventuated as a production car? Fact is the same, the current king is the rspec, the gts can't claim that title until the bloody thing is actually here, and been tested by someone other than someone collecting a wage from hsv. |
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central coast holden actually have a demo one. there are three black one running around local..
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Those 0-100 and quarter mile time while impressive may not tell the whole story,
you can't keep adding power to the back wheels with out increasing tyre width and grip. |
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Regardless, whilst the GTS is more expensive, it also comes with a lot of 'standard' kit over and above any of the FPV cars. I'm just saying, there's more to the price than wider tyres, and fast times. Whilst i may never use some of the features of the GTS, and they may seem like a gimmick, they are there none the less. I can simply appreciate the effort that HSV have made with this car. It wasn't just a matter of dropping in a big crate motor, and charging a huge premium for. I'm still leaning towards a GT though, 100k is a large chunk of money to give up on a new car... A low km GT or well priced new one with some mods, and then in a few years time i'll hopefully garage it for the kids. Hopefully by then i'll pick up a low km GTS, best of both worlds! |
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Look, there is no doubt with all the kit the GTS, it is probably the better car. Massive brakes, coolers, SC 6.2 engine, it has it all without mentioning it's interior kit, BUT.... At the end of the day & with all the hype, SO FAR, it's not the quickest Australian built car! Now I know in 2013 apparently that doesn't matter anymore but can someone remember why the Ph 3 was & still is held in so high reguard.
While I'm not one of the fortunate ones to own a GT rspec, if I did I would be feeling pretty proud right now.......
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Pretty sure it will be the quickest, but not the fastest, as this will be speed limited where the GTHOP3 was not.
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If Iw as a betting man i'd have a large wager that this car will seriously cannibalise Clubsports sales, especially considering the Redline has quite a bit of spec that's stripped out of the considerably more expensive Clubsport. Quote:
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could this open up an opportunity for Ford to supply an XR8 with an optional "Track Pack" that consists of say, existing GT brakes suspension and handling set up, which then enabling a new GT to have say, GTP interior, Brembos all round std Gt suspension or R-Spec suspension as option? I think there's great opportunity for Ford to pick and choose which areas it wants to be in without matching every single Holden or HSV variant......scales of economy and bang for bucks? Quote:
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a great opportunity exists to rationalise the delivery of specific basic vehicles that match actual buyer needs and expectations, I just hope Ford doesn't over think this in terms of return on investment. Last edited by jpd80; 04-08-2013 at 10:45 AM. |
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I agree that logic suggests Ford will leverage the advantage conferred by bringing FPV ownership in-house. If they can't match the tech and kit in the GTS, (which appears most unlikely seeing as they've got stuff all R & D money), then doing a SC XR8 at a SSV Redline sort of price point is one of their few remaining cards to play. I just hope they don't insult people's intelligence and fit dangerously inadequate Ford "performance" brakes to it. |
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