2023 VW Amarok

[Ben73]

I don’t love it, but I don’t hate it. I guess it’s better than looking that most utes in Australia.

[jpd80]

If the point was that Amorok looks and drives differently to Ranger then they absolutely nailed the brief

[ebv8]

is the Ranger coming out with the 2.3 ecoboost with 10sp auto as well? i'd almost consider buying a single cab 2x4 with a 2.3l ecoboost?

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by ebv8

is the Ranger coming out with the 2.3 ecoboost with 10sp auto as well? i'd almost consider buying a single cab 2x4 with a 2.3l ecoboost?

not in australia

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

IIRC, Ranger will have AdBlue in the EU while in Aust. our emissions regs mean the Ranger passes without AdBlue.

This was an international media event for Amarok so AdBlue might be used in the Amarok for Australia and after diesel-gate they might not want to take any more negative press. We won't know until VW Australia release local specs.

AFAIK the Australian Amarok is still only a stg5 car so shouldn't have AdBlue.

I don't think they will surprise us with a stg6 car as our fuel quality is not good enough, and using stg6 hardware and downgrading emissions is not a 'thing'

as you say - we won't know until VW release specs, but I'd be pretty confident it will be DPF only and no AdBlue

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Hulsty

Nope, turned hard, Ford has in excess of 17,000 for the new Ranger, 4000 of those for the new Raptor, thats nearly a quarter of the vehicles being petrol.

Cause it's only comes in petrol now.

If petrol was replacing diesel in dual cab utes then why has Toyota dropped their petrol V6 in Hilux due to poor sales? Same with the Landcruiser, they dropped the petrol V8 option due to such low uptake, and didn't even bother bringing in the petrol turbo v6 for the 300 series. The soaring cost of petrol is only going to reinforce that.

Totally different scenario to passenger vehicles, where diesels have dropped off significantly.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I don’t love it, but I don’t hate it. I guess it’s better than looking that most utes in Australia.

Can you imagine (no matter how doubtful) if the Amarok was hugely popular and we had Ford made utes (Ranger and Amorak) as 1 and 2 in Dual Cab sales...

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Cause it's only comes in petrol now.

If petrol was replacing diesel in dual cab utes then why has Toyota dropped their petrol V6 in Hilux due to poor sales? Same with the Landcruiser, they dropped the petrol V8 option due to such low uptake, and didn't even bother bringing in the petrol turbo v6 for the 300 series. The soaring cost of petrol is only going to reinforce that.

Totally different scenario to passenger vehicles, where diesels have dropped off significantly.

I’d recon that a fair portion of Rangers and Everests would be used like sedans and station wagons,
so maybe more than a few owners would be open to hybrid or even PHEV in the near future

Rumour is that Ford is developing 2.3 EB Powerboost PHEV for Mustang and maybe Bronco.
If any of that is true than perhaps we can have our cake and eat it too..l

I’m also thinking 3.0 EB hybrid in Explorer / Aviator with 550 hp and near 600 lb ft of torque..

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Cause it's only comes in petrol now.

If petrol was replacing diesel in dual cab utes then why has Toyota dropped their petrol V6 in Hilux due to poor sales? Same with the Landcruiser, they dropped the petrol V8 option due to such low uptake, and didn't even bother bringing in the petrol turbo v6 for the 300 series. The soaring cost of petrol is only going to reinforce that.

Totally different scenario to passenger vehicles, where diesels have dropped off significantly.

I don't know what has happened to diesel over your side but the price of diesel over here has more than doubled over the last year its now usually only 15c cheaper than regular 91 then we have RUC which is being discounted at the moment but is normally $80 a thousand kms for a ute when you cost out the extra servicing costs for diesel vehicles it's cheaper to run my v8

[lra]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

If petrol was replacing diesel in dual cab utes then why has Toyota dropped their petrol V6 in Hilux due to poor sales? Same with the Landcruiser, they dropped the petrol V8 option due to such low uptake, and didn't even bother bringing in the petrol turbo v6 for the 300 series. The soaring cost of petrol is only going to reinforce that. .

The cost of diesel is also soaring.
Consumers have been brainwashed into believing diesel power is better, more economical and cheaper than petrol power.
Just ignore the initial higher purchase price and ongoing service costs.
The Toyota PDF stuff-up worked well for buyers who thought that a diesel dual cab would be a great replacement for a small sedan shopping vehicle.
How many regret being talked into an unsuitable diesel for their daily driver

Ford won't know if the petrol V6 will sell in Australia if they don't make it available.

[jpd80]

Ford has now filed for trademarks for electric versions of both its Maverick and Ranger pickup trucks.
Interestingly, the automaker has filed different trademarks in Europe and the US.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by lra

The cost of diesel is also soaring.
Consumers have been brainwashed into believing diesel power is better, more economical and cheaper than petrol power.
Just ignore the initial higher purchase price and ongoing service costs.
The Toyota PDF stuff-up worked well for buyers who thought that a diesel dual cab would be a great replacement for a small sedan shopping vehicle.
How many regret being talked into an unsuitable diesel for their daily driver

Ford won't know if the petrol V6 will sell in Australia if they don't make it available.

I have a diesel ranger now and my next one will be diesel; quite happy changing over from petrol to diesel.

[blueoval]

I might sound old fashioned but I really am not a fan of the tablet styled infotainment that some cars are adopting. That's coming from someone who drives the latest Subaru Outback that has one. Im steering away from the amount of tech (especially the intrusive tech) that seems to be placed in cars these days.

Back on topic though, I expected more from the Amarok for next year. Its ok but I give it to the new Ranger in the looks department.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by ebv8

is the Ranger coming out with the 2.3 ecoboost with 10sp auto as well? i'd almost consider buying a single cab 2x4 with a 2.3l ecoboost?

Me too!

A little off topic, but why is Ford not representing the single cab models on their website Build and Price?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I’d recon that a fair portion of Rangers and Everests would be used like sedans and station wagons,
so maybe more than a few owners would be open to hybrid or even PHEV in the near future

Rumour is that Ford is developing 2.3 EB Powerboost PHEV for Mustang and maybe Bronco.
If any of that is true than perhaps we can have our cake and eat it too..l

I’m also thinking 3.0 EB hybrid in Explorer / Aviator with 550 hp and near 600 lb ft of torque..

The problem with plug ins is the extra cost. Most of them on the market today are about 10k more expensive than an equivalent non plug in. 10k buys a lot of fuel. Or at least it used to

I guess we will see how it plays out when it surfaces.

Originally Posted by blueoval

I might sound old fashioned but I really am not a fan of the tablet styled infotainment that some cars are adopting. That's coming from someone who drives the latest Subaru Outback that has one. Im steering away from the amount of tech (especially the intrusive tech) that seems to be placed in cars these days.

Back on topic though, I expected more from the Amarok for next year. Its ok but I give it to the new Ranger in the looks department.

Good luck finding any car these days without all the tech. 79 series Landcruiser is about all you'll find. Or soon will be when the other vehicles reach the end of their production runs, cause they are all copping big screens and extra tech with facelifts.

I'm pretty amazed that even the cheapest bare bones Ranger has the giant touch screen. All it's rivals in that entry class are packing those tiny little monochrome non touch screens that are about 4-5 inches.

[rare ss]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Good luck finding any car these days without all the tech. 79 series Landcruiser is about all you'll find. Or soon will be when the other vehicles reach the end of their production runs, cause they are all copping big screens and extra tech with facelifts.

Good old 70 series can't even manage to change it's own gears yet!

Facelift gets some USB's a cupholders yeow!

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by rare ss

Good old 70 series can't even manage to change it's own gears yet!

Facelift gets some USB's a cupholders yeow!

It can't even pass the new crash regs, so Toyota had to classify it as a light truck to get around it. Don't know how that was even allowed by the authorities.

[Franco Cozzo]

79 series has this niche of hardcore buyers who pay through the nose for it too, I don't understand it personally, I like something nice and basic but not nice and basic and $120K that only has 5 gears and the worlds worst V8 diesel engine that makes less power and torque than an indirect injection Detroit Diesel V8 designed in the 1970s

[kevino]

Franco you cut me up.
Course a Detroit diesel 53 or 71 or 92 would just blast a 79 series into the dust.
Back in the 80, s TNT overnight ran Kenworth cabover4 axle pantechs overnight on Melb -Syd etc etc with a 400 plus hp 8v92.
Remember following one in heavy rain around Gundagai -he was doing 130 km/hr -I gave up let him go. those things could fly.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by kevino

Franco you cut me up.
Course a Detroit diesel 53 or 71 or 92 would just blast a 79 series into the dust.
Back in the 80, s TNT overnight ran Kenworth cabover4 axle pantechs overnight on Melb -Syd etc etc with a 400 plus hp 8v92.
Remember following one in heavy rain around Gundagai -he was doing 130 km/hr -I gave up let him go. those things could fly.

I'm talking about the 6.2/6.5L light duty diesel V8s that were in GM vehicles through the 1980s/1990s/00s and AM General HMMWV, they're also Detroit Diesel engines just probably not as well known as the stuff in heavy vehicles.

I suppose it wouldn't surprise me that a 6V53 or an 8V92 would also smoke Toyota's 4.5L V8 but we're comparing apples with Durians there

Sometimes you'll see Land Cruisers or Patrols repowered with the 6.5L but it's not as common these days as there are much better engines on offer.

Wonder how popular a 79 series cruiser would be but with the 3UR unleaded V8 - 279KW, 5.7L.

Use a tonne of fuel and be an absolute death trap, a modern 1980s F100, Franco Edition 79 Series 'Widowmaker'

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

why is Ford not representing the single cab models on their website Build and Price?

to the best of my knowledge, single cab ssb is not available in Australia. There will be a chassis cab option but that's all

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by simon varley

to the best of my knowledge, single cab ssb is not available in Australia. There will be a chassis cab option but that's all

That's what I was wanting actually, basically a new-for-old replacement for what I have now.

The Ford website is woeful, the build and price configurator for the new Ranger has been broken for more than a month now, pretty poor considering how much business they have tied up with the Ranger.

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

That's what I was wanting actually, basically a new-for-old replacement for what I have now.

The Ford website is woeful, the build and price configurator for the new Ranger has been broken for more than a month now, pretty poor considering how much business they have tied up with the Ranger.

I agree that the website is poor but the build and price is working for me.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by naddis01

I agree that the website is poor but the build and price is working for me.

Well there you go, it's working for me now. As I said it was broken for weeks, it would not allow me to select a model grade. Even so, there is no Super-cab or Single Cab represented though.

[naddis01]

Supercab is on the build and price. Only available in XL and XLT with the 2.0. Single cab doesn't appear to be there.

[naddis01]

Specs have been detailed...

It's interesting to note that the mid spec Amarok is better equipped than the XLT so it will be interesting to see how the pricing compares.

2.3L Ecoboost only available as an option on the top of the range model which will limit it's appeal. The base model also has a manual option unlike the Ranger. So there are a couple of points of difference.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-v...als-next-year/

2023 Volkswagen Amarok model range

Amarok 2.0-litre single-turbo diesel manual 4x4
Amarok 2.0-litre single-turbo diesel auto 4x4
Amarok Life 2.0-litre twin-turbo diesel auto 4x4
Amarok Style 2.0-litre twin-turbo diesel auto 4x4
Amarok Style 3.0-litre turbo V6 diesel auto 4WD
Amarok PanAmericana 3.0-litre turbo V6 diesel auto 4WD
Amarok Aventura 3.0-litre turbo V6 diesel auto 4WD
Amarok Aventura 2.3-litre turbo petrol auto 4WD


2023 Volkswagen Amarok standard features (base model):

Single-turbo 2.0-litre four-cylinder diesel (125kW/405Nm) with six-speed manual or six-speed auto
Part-time four-wheel-drive
17-inch alloy wheels
Electric folding side mirrors
LED headlights
Tailgate lock
10-inch infotainment touchscreen with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto
8.0-inch digital instrument cluster
AM/FM radio
Four-speaker sound system
Wireless phone charging
Single-zone climate control (air conditioning)
Six-way manual driver seat adjustment
Vinyl flooring
Electric power steering
Mechanical differential lock
Emergency call function
Autonomous emergency braking
Adaptive (radar) cruise control
Lane-keep assist
Eight airbags (including centre and driver knee)
Tyre pressure monitors
Rear-view camera
Rear parking sensors


2023 Volkswagen Amarok Life adds, or replaces with (vs Amarok):

Twin-turbo 2.0-litre four-cylinder diesel (154kW/500Nm) with 10-speed auto, part-time four-wheel-drive
Body-coloured bumpers, mirror caps, door handles
Six-speaker sound system
Electronic parking brake
LED fog lights
Heating and puddle lamps for side mirrors
Locking wheel nuts
Power locking on tailgate
Eight-way manual driver seat adjustment
Rear privacy glass
Leather-wrapped steering wheel and gear selector
Front and rear floor mats
Carpet flooring
Automatic headlights
Rain-sensing wipers
Front parking sensors
Blind-spot monitoring
Auto-dimming rear-view mirror
Two front recovery hooks


2023 Volkswagen Amarok Style adds, or replaces with (vs Life):

Twin-turbo 2.0-litre four-cylinder diesel (154kW/500Nm) with 10-speed auto, part-time four-wheel-drive
Optional single-turbo 3.0-litre V6 diesel (184kW/600Nm) with 10-speed auto, permanent four-wheel-drive
18-inch alloy wheels
Matrix LED headlights
12-inch infotainment touchscreen
In-built satellite navigation
12-inch digital instrument cluster
10-way power-adjustable driver's seat
Eight-way manually-adjustable front passenger seat
'Premium' cloth upholstery
Dual-zone auto climate control (air conditioning)
Sensor key entry and push-button start
Ambient interior lighting
Chrome rear bumper
Drop-in tray-liner
Sports bar
Insulating windscreen
Ambient cabin lighting
Thatcham alarm system
360-degree camera
Automatic park assist


2023 Volkswagen Amarok PanAmerica adds, or replaces with (vs Style):

Single-turbo 3.0-litre V6 diesel (184kW/600Nm) with 10-speed auto, permanent four-wheel-drive
18-inch black alloy wheels
X-design front bumper (black)
Side mirror caps, bumper highlights, door handles in black
LED tail-lights
Sports bar and side steps in black
Soft tonneau cover
Roof rails
Spray-in tray liner
PanAmerica decals
Leather seat upholstery
Leather dash top
Leather door accents
Eight-speaker premium sound system
10-way electric front seat adjustment (driver and front passenger)
Black roof lining


2023 Volkswagen Amarok Aventura adds, or replaces with (vs PanAmericana):

Single-turbo 3.0-litre V6 diesel (184kW/600Nm) with 10-speed auto, permanent four-wheel-drive
Optional single-turbo 2.3-litre four-cylinder petrol (222kW/452Nm) with 10-speed auto, permanent four-wheel-drive
21-inch alloy wheels
X-design front bumper (chrome)
Side mirror caps, bumper highlights, door handles (chrome)
'Sail plane' sports car (body colour)
Electronic roller shutter cover
Side steps (chrome)
Electronic roller shutter
Drop-in bed-liner
Leather seats
Leather dash top
Leather door accents


2023 Volkswagen Amarok colour choices

Frozen White
Agate Black (metallic)
Blue Lightning (metallic)
Carbonized grey (metallic)
Lucid Red (metallic)
Moondust Silver (metallic)
Diffused Silver (metallic)
Moroccan Blue (metallic, unique to Volkswagen)


2023 Volkswagen Amarok key highlights (not previously available)

10- and 12-inch infotainment screens
8.0 and 12-inch digital instrument clusters
Premium audio system
LED headlights (previously bi-xenon)
Matrix LED headlights
Puddle lamps in the side mirrors
Ambient cabin lighting
Leather dash top
Wireless phone charging
Sensor key with push-button start
Wi-Fi hotspot
Electric power steering
Electric park brake
Eight airbags (include knee, centre and rear seat coverage, up from four airbags previously)
Autonomous emergency braking
Speed sign recognition
Adaptive (radar) cruise control
Lane-keep assistance
Blind spot monitoring
360-degree camera
Trailer sway control




A bit of a spec comparison between the Ranger and Amarok.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-v...-PVKhKD1MiF2bE

[Fordman1]

Amarok, 100% engineered by Ford

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Amarok, 100% engineered by Ford

Engineered and built

I'll take a guess and say the VW premium will be 3-4k over equivalent Ford models.

[BENT_8]

Should have stuck with Mazda who took the sexy PX Ranger and somehow made it ugly, this a complete reversal, the Amarok leaves its donor for dead in the looks department im afraid.

[FTE217]

Agreed Bent8, Rok looks way nicer to the eye for a dual cab.