2018 Holden Commodore details released

Express · 26-10-2016, 11:43 AM

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2018 Holden Commodore details released

Four-cylinder petrol and diesel confirmed, AWD V6 to headline range

2018 Holden Commodore details released: Four-cylinder petrol and diesel confirmed, AWD V6 to headline range

by Paul Maric
Senior Road Tester
Today

Despite its launch being almost a year-and-a-half away, CarAdvice has been behind the wheel of the 2018 Holden Commodore and can now bring you the full details.

Holden allowed CarAdvice, along with a handful of Australian motoring media, into the depths of the company’s design centre to outline the 2018 Holden Commodore, which is due to arrive locally in February 2018.

In the history of the company, there has never been such early access to a new car program, especially one shared with Europe.

•2018 Holden Commodore to share platform and components with Opel Insignia and to sit on E2XX architecture
•2.0-litre four-cylinder turbocharged petrol and diesel engines, front-wheel drive for bulk of range
•230kW/370Nm all-wheel-drive 3.6-litre V6 to power top sports model (SS Commodore replacement), mated to nine-speed automatic transmission
•Two variants to launch locally — a Sportback (hatchback) and Sportwagon (station wagon), to be around 200-300kg lighter than Commodore
•All-wheel drive system to feature torque vectoring and twin-clutch rear differential and adaptive suspension, shared with Ford Focus RS
•Huge Australian engineering program, with Australian team involved in global buy off drives
•Our artist’s impressions show what we expect the vehicles to look like in lift-back and station wagon trim

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Holden’s input into the next-generation Commodore began over five years ago when the lion brand first began investigating options for the Commodore, beyond VF II.

As we are already aware, the next-generation Commodore will retain that name, but we can now reveal that it will be identical to the new Insignia. No body panels will change, only badges and specifications.

The all-new Commodore will share the Insignia’s E2XX platform (an evolution of General Motors’ Epsilon II platform), which targets weight reduction and longer wheelbases.

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This original input from the Holden team stretched from design and interior packaging, all the way through to engineering. It was also the Australian team that led the push for the V6 all-wheel-drive sport version.

The Commodore will land in Australia with two body styles, a hatchback sedan and a station wagon. Both variants will be offered with two engines — a four-cylinder petrol and a four-cylinder diesel, both 2.0 litres in capacity and both driving the front wheels. A third engine, the naturally aspirated 3.6-litre V6, will be available on the all-wheel drive hatchback model (the SS Commodore replacement).

Our artist’s impressions show how we expect the sport model and entry-level models to look. It features gaping holes at the front end for cooling and a sporty, low-slung design that will set it aside from others in traffic.

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While an off-road station wagon hasn’t been confirmed by Holden or Opel, we would expect it to go ahead, given the success of the Insignia Country Tourer – which is currently on sale in Europe as a high-riding version of the Insignia station wagon.

Powering the Insignia VXR (the yet-to-be-named SS Commodore replacement, which we’ll refer to as the VXR from here) is a new version of Holden’s current 3.6-litre V6 engine. It now features 230kW of power (up from 210kW) and 370Nm of torque (up from 310Nm) and is mated to a nine-speed automatic gearbox and all-wheel drive system. It comes with active fuel management, which is expected to help reduce its fuel consumption, which currently sits at 9.3L/100km for the SV6 Commodore.

Codenamed LGX, the six-cylinder engine is the fourth-generation successor to the LLT and LFX. The LLT and LFX engines were used in Series I VE and Series II VE/Series I VF Commodores respectively.

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The fourth-generation LGX picks up features like direct injection, cylinder deactivation, stop-start, high flow cylinder heads and an acoustic engine cover, amongst others.

The all-wheel drive system is developed by German company GKN. The ‘Twinster’ system uses a dual-clutch arrangement with no differential. It allows the vehicle to perform torque vectoring without the use of traction control of speed limiters, which can often slow a vehicle, as opposed to improving cornering. The Twinster all-wheel drive system is also used in the Ford Focus RS, allowing the vehicle to aggressively send torque to the rear and delivering drift on demand.

While there were rumours of a twin-turbocharged V6 engine from Cadillac’s range, the engine doesn’t fit within the E2XX platform. The only high-powered engine available for this platform is a naturally-aspirated V6.

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That’s a shame, too, because the twin-turbocharged 3.6-litre V6 available to Holden and Opel produces 346kW of power and currently lives under the bonnet of the Cadillac ATS-V. That engine allows the ATS-V to sprint from 0-60mph in just 3.8 seconds. With the naturally aspirated engine, we expect the figure to be closer to six or seven seconds, given the fact it now routes torque through an all-wheel drive system, which inherently results in efficiency losses.

While non-VXR versions are expected to use conventional suspension setups, the VXR will be available with adaptive suspension that allows the vehicle to switch between comfort and sport modes.

Two four-cylinder versions will kick off the Commodore range. A 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol engine will drive the front wheels, while a 2.0-litre turbocharged four-cylinder diesel will do the same. Holden is yet to confirm which gearbox will be mated to the four-cylinder versions of the Commodore.

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Throughout its development program, Australia engineers have been involved in the design and development. Holden’s lead dynamics engineer, Rob Trubiani, has also been involved in assisting with chassis development at the Nurburgring.

Locally, Holden shipped two test vehicles to tune ride and handling locally — an element that’s incredibly crucial to the development of the vehicle. You can read more about this in our review of the 2018 Holden Commodore. One vehicle is a lift-back hatch, while the other is a lift-back simulating a station wagon. It uses two sets of weights (10kg on the rear window and 70kg within the spare tyre well), strategically positioned on the rear to simulate a station wagon’s added weight.

Inside the cabin, Holden and Opel have gone to town on technology. While there’s some elements we still can’t talk about, we can mention that the car will feature an 8.0-inch infotainment touchscreen, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto (not confirmed if this is a wireless implementation), next-generation heads-up display and a central LCD display in the tachometer binnacle. There’s also a full internal LED lighting package.

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The heads-up display is huge and looks fantastic. We weren’t able to configure the display in any great level of detail, but it had a rev counter similar to the current Commodore, and an active speed display. It’s expected to also display navigation and safety information in addition to vehicle warnings.

It will also feature next-generation matrix LED headlights with 32 inner LED modules that offer up to 400m of range. This technology allows the car to sense other vehicles on the road and adjust the high-beam to ensure they are not dazzled. It’s the same technology used in high-end models from BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Audi, amongst others.

Interior space is critically important for Holden — it’s the Commodore’s staple.

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2018 Holden Commodore dimensions (compared to current Commodore):

Length: 4899mm (-74mm shorter)
Width: 1863mm (-36mm narrower)
Wheelbase: 2829mm (-86mm shorter)
Knee room: Identical to current Commodore
Head room: 952mm (-13mm less)
Shoulder room: 1444mm (-58mm less)
Hip room: 1410mm (-44mm less)
Cargo volume: Undisclosed, but expected to be larger due to hatch
Centreline: 375mm (-18mm less)

We had the opportunity to drive two ’65 per cent’ prototypes at Holden’s top secret Lang Lang proving ground this week. You can see our review here. In the interim, these vehicles are about to hit the road for real world testing and calibration, so keep an eye out for them and their very clever camouflage.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/492335/2...eadline-range/

Express · 26-10-2016, 11:51 AM

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Turbocharged V6 ruled out for 2018 Holden Commodore

Turbocharged V6 ruled out for 2018 Holden Commodore

by Paul Maric
Senior Road Tester
Today

Despite speculation and rumours, a turbocharged version of the 3.0-litre or 3.6-litre General Motors family engines has been ruled out by Holden, with packaging cited as the main reason.

With Holden madly working on the 2018 Holden Commodore, which is to be based on the Opel Insignia, Holden has said that while they would have liked an engine with forced induction, it simply wouldn’t fit.

Holden’s sporty Commodore will be exclusively powered by a naturally aspirated 3.6-litre six-cylinder engine mated to an all-wheel drive system with torque vectoring and a nine-speed automatic transmission.

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One of the prime performance candidates for the 2018 Commodore was the twin-turbocharged 3.6-litre V6 engine currently fitted to the fire-breathing Cadillac ATS-V.

That engine produces 346kW of power and allows the ATS-V to sprint from 0-60mph in just 3.8 seconds. Unfortunately, the position of the engine within the engine bay is incompatible with the E2XX platform the Insignia and next generation Commodore is based on.

Speaking at a pre-launch drive of the 2018 Commodore, Holden vehicle development manager Jeremy Tassone mentioned that they are happy with the product they are working on.

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“We did a lot of packaging work and looked at it in detail. But, it just doesn’t work. The architecture won’t package and also electrically it wouldn’t be supported by the electrical architecture.”

“That’s a totally different layout. That’s a north-south configuration, we’re east-west, so yeah it’s a no go,” Tassone said.

As we speculated earlier in the week, the engine and all-wheel drive system is identical to the one fitted to the Buick LaCrosse. Tassone says that with any program, you use learnings to act as a base for the product you are working on.

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“There’s always learnings, so from an engine and transmission side it’ll be the same guys doing the calibration for both. So nothing ever starts from zero. A lot of the base engine stuff will have come from that program. But the vehicle will be unique to this program,” Tassone said.

“[Laughs]…it’s not like we keep 50kW up our sleeve for a rainy day. It’s been optimised to produce the best performance it can for the car.”

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So for the moment, this will be as much power as the Commodore will have when it’s launched in 2018. As with all speculation to date, the brand is also due to announce a two-door V8 sports in the future, which will act as a performance halo for the brand.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/492978/t...den-commodore/

Joel. · 26-10-2016, 11:52 AM

Well it looks alot better than the current Commodore.

frankie86 · 26-10-2016, 11:55 AM

Lol @ 370nm "sport model"

Kryton · 26-10-2016, 11:56 AM

Had have a Diesel option 10 years ago, both parties might still be making cars here

Rob 351 · 26-10-2016, 12:03 PM

Yep good luck with that

Vesper Martini · 26-10-2016, 12:05 PM

At least Holden are well ahead with their plans.

a couple of things,
Just like Mondeo there is no Sedan
Holden not going with the Turbo Model probably rules out the Mondeo sport "turbo"

Ford must be struggling having to be the first to make decisions, now that Holden have played their cards it will be easier for them.

Pepscobra · 26-10-2016, 12:05 PM

Fortune cookie says epic fail.

Express · 26-10-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepscobra

Fortune cookie says epic fail.

If the focus was only performance then I'd have to agree the Commodore is a dead man walking.

If Holden is aiming for a new customer base then it's too early to say if the average punters who buy sedans and wagons over SUV's will embrace it.

Pricing along with tech, fit and finish and where it stands in the eyes of the consumer will determine its future and you can be assured Holden will throw a lot of dollars to try and get people to see this is the birth of a new era replacing an outgoing dinosaur.

Personally I can't ever see myself buying one.

Express · 26-10-2016, 12:46 PM

A Wheels article.

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2018 Holden Commodore prototype review

By Nathan Ponchard
Oct 26, 2016

2018 Holden Commodore

In an unexpected move, Holden has let us loose in a prototype of its next-generation, fully imported Commodore. And we’re allowed to write about it!

WHAT IS IT?

A “65 percent” prototype of the forthcoming, German-built 2018 Holden Commodore riding on GM’s all-new E2XX platform. It’s mostly the real vehicle minus several months worth of drivetrain, suspension and NVH development, and with not-quite-production plastics and a load of clever body cladding disguising its actual shape.

WHY WE’RE TESTING IT?

Because this car is beyond full circle for the Commodore – retreating back to its German roots, just like the 1978 original, but this time near-identical to its European brother in virtually all areas. Except one. At Australia’s insistence, the next-gen Holden Commodore/Opel Insignia has been engineered to feature a range-topping V6 AWD variant, which is what we’re driving here.

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MAIN RIVALS

With the Ford Falcon dead and buried, and the rear-drive, domestic large car to follow suit once the current Commodore/Calais dies in late-2017, the next-gen Commodore – for now, dubbed NG (for Next Generation) – will compete head on with the biggest and best in the medium segment. Think Volkswagen Passat, Skoda Superb, Mazda 6, and Ford Mondeo, as well as Toyota’s evergreen Camry (also due for an all-new replacement in 2018) and the lower end of the premium-medium segment (A4, 3 Series, C-Class, etc).

VERDICT

A promising start for the ‘imported’ Holden Commodore, particularly its mega-Astra interior and its impressive all-wheel-drive system. While its V6 is closely related to the current car’s, and without any acoustic tuning sounds much like the VF’s engine, you can already sense the superior refinement built into this car. And its nine-speed automatic transmission is excellent. Indeed, there’s the potential for a truly great Commodore here, providing people like the way the production car looks.

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THE WHEELS VERDICT

PLUS: Feels smaller and more agile than it looks; highly advanced all-wheel-drive system; excellent automatic transmission; stylish interior; quality seating; huge boot
MINUS: Doesn’t quite match the cabin shoulder width of the current VF; centre-rear position is firmly padded and would be uncomfortable over longer distances; upgraded V6 still sounds like a Commodore; transmission’s ‘manual’ shift mode puts the + and – the wrong way around

THE WHEELS REVIEW

MEET Frau Brunhilde. She may not be the prettiest mare in the stable but underneath all that body armour and disarming warpaint hides the next-generation Holden Commodore. Or Opel/Vauxhall Insignia, depending on where you hail from.

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While this car’s appearance is a deliberate bum-steer, what’s underneath is incredibly close to reality. And surprisingly close in size to the current VFII rear-drive model it replaces. Measuring 74mm less, 36mm narrower and riding on a wheelbase 86mm shorter, our next Commodore is the first generational change to shrink in size, though it’s still a sizeable car.

To put the 2018 Commodore into context, it’s almost a dead-ringer for the VT-VZ generation (1997-2006), and in a world championing smaller passenger cars (but larger SUVs…), that’s a step in the right direction.

So is the MY18 Commodore’s interior. Appearing closely related (underneath acres of rubberised covering) to the new Astra’s dashboard architecture, the Commodore gets more upmarket instruments, particularly in top-line models with their configurable TFT centre dials, and enough room to please most of Commodore’s existing fan base.

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There’s noticeably less shoulder width (58mm less, with 44mm less hip room) but the new Commodore/Insignia is still a roomy car. And despite a sweeping rear roofline that cuts head room by 13mm, rear passengers gets a much broader view than in VF, providing theatre-style vision and a deep cushion that’s more comfortable than the current car’s if you’re only seating two. Great boot too (think Mondeo and Skoda Superb-rivalling load space), with an easily accessible cavern able to be extended by fold-flat backrests.

It’s the oily bits, however, that we’re dying to try. Given the strong emphasis on six-cylinder variants for Australian consumption, Holden took the lead on local development of suspension, steering and chassis-control for the AWD V6. And while Frau Brunhilde is a long way from finished – no adaptive dampers, no Sport mode for the drivetrain and sophisticated ‘Twinster’ AWD system, or any ‘dynamic wheel torque braking’ as yet – you can feel the next Commodore’s core DNA rising to the challenge of making this car feel great.

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Much like the last Honda Legend (and the front-wheel system in Honda’s forthcoming NSX supercar), the MY18 Commodore’s all-wheel-drive system does away with a rear differential. In its place sits a pair of individual clutches, dubbed ‘Twinster’ by GM, that constantly control and distribute wheel torque and speed, even during engine braking on overrun, to “generate a rear-drive feel”.

It can send up to 2500Nm to the rear wheels, and 1500Nm to each side, and while Twinster’s extremes appear relatively front-biased (the max split is only 50/50), according to Holden’s chassis supremo, Rob Trubiani, it changes 100 times a second and spends an inordinate amount of time sending drive to the rear.

On the road (well, Holden’s speed bowl and ride/handling circuit at its Lang Lang proving ground), Brunhilde shows signs of just how dynamic the AWD Commodore will be. Even with the Twinster AWD system only operating in Normal mode (Sport will introduce a much greater ‘controlled oversteer’ flavour), the MY18 Commodore feels planted, poised and smaller than its dimensions would suggest. Small-bump ride suppleness may be lacking at this stage but it’s a promising effort given this prototype is essentially Stage One for road development.

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Showing slightly more polish is the drivetrain. The V6 engine – now dubbed ‘LGX’ and mounted transversely, instead of the VF’s ‘LFX’ longitudinal iteration – remains direct-injection, but gains cylinder-deactivation to improve efficiency. Tied to a silky all-new nine-speed automatic transmission (there will be no manuals in next-gen Commodore), it’s a smooth and punchy performer, despite not having the full 230kW/370Nm of the production version at this early stage.

With no acoustic tuning yet, the LGX V6 still sounds like a six-pack Commodore, but it will rev cleanly to 7250rpm, sans any vibration or NVH intrusion, and at times upshifts at a heady 7100rpm.

It’s very tightly geared in lower ratios – just 400 revs apart at its closest – though the gaps widen at higher speeds. On Lang Lang’s speed bowl, manually upshifting from sixth to ninth gear at an indicated 148km/h sees the tacho drop from 4750rpm to 3500, 2500 and then 2000rpm in top.

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And Holden claims that ninth gear is fully useable in normal driving. At 110km/h, the engine is ticking over at barely 1400rpm, while the cylinder-deactivation is so subtle that without paying attention, I didn’t notice it.

Our final test (besides a nail-biting dirt-road rally section demonstrated by Rob Trubiani) is wet-surface traction. Nail the right pedal with a touch of steering lock on and there’s an ever-so-slight nibble from the front 245/45R18 Continental tyres, but it’s negligible and certainly nothing to fear. Given our strong affection for all-wheel-drive Subarus, Aussies are going to love the traction of the AWD V6 Commodore.

What’s missing here at Lang Lang, and likely forever from a Holden-badged four-door, is a V8 engine. And there’s no sign of the four-pot front-drivers that will open the 2018 Commodore line-up. But given Holden’s promise of “the most powerful base-model Commodore ever”, and the co-development Holden’s chassis engineers have had in tuning the entry model’s suspension (at the Nurburgring, no less), I’d say the turbo-petrol and turbo-diesel Commodores should still offer plenty for discerning Aussie motorists.

And once GM engineers the Chevy Camaro for right-hand drive, I guarantee no one will be complaining about the lack of a V8 Commodore.

SPECS

Model: Holden Commodore V6 AWD
Engine: 3564cc V6 (60°), dohc, 24v
Max power: 230kW
Max torque: 370Nm
Transmission: 9-speed automatic
Weight: 1580kg (estimated)
0-100km/h: 6.0sec (estimated)
Fuel economy: 8.0L/100km (estimated)
Price: $45,000 (estimated)
On sale: Early 2018

https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/reviews...ototype-review

MAGPIE · 26-10-2016, 12:53 PM

Whilst the death of the Falcon is painful it is preferable to living on as a shadow of your former self like the Commodore.

Wretched · 26-10-2016, 12:55 PM

seems a bit meh to me.

xr8cam · 26-10-2016, 01:03 PM

The most powerful base model commordore ever. Who is that supposed to appeal to. What is there for the bloke who wants his SS or GT etc. If I was a new car buyer next year, I would most likely look at a Subaru. I think it will be a very long time untill Holden come anywhere near the Japanese car makers for reliability and build quality. Just a note. I am nearing 50, my mint AUII XR8 has done 98,000kms. If I do 5000kms a year for the next 25 years, my car will have 223,000kms on the odometer. This is my plan to drive a local Ford for the rest of my days. I just can't face not having a large V8 sedan, there is too much I love about my current car. Maybe I will add a newer GT or something down the track, but I don't ever see a reason to buy 9 speed awd v6's!

malazn mafia · 26-10-2016, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by frankie86

Lol @ 370nm "sport model"

3.6 L SS replacement. SS means super-slow??

wondering how many owners will replace the badges with the correct ones, or maybe worse still, Chev badges..

**Burnout** · 26-10-2016, 01:10 PM

Spent all of July in EU, saw very few Opels of any sort. One's I did see were the little hatch back shopping trollies.

Nu66et · 26-10-2016, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Holden not going with the Turbo Model probably rules out the Mondeo sport "turbo".

Maybe not. Fusions 2.7 TTV6 is already intended to replace the atmosphere big six, which the Commodore will still have. The difficulty there will be how easily the engineering behind the V6 Fusion can be shared to a V6 Mondeo. They might have to settle on trying to get a 2.3 EcoBoost model.

**Polyal** · 26-10-2016, 01:18 PM

All I can say is for Holdens fans sake I hope they let the SS name die off......

Who am I kidding, its GM, they would slap SS on a Cruze to make sales if they had too.

LoudPipes · 26-10-2016, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8cam

The most powerful base model commordore ever. Who is that supposed to appeal to. What is there for the bloke who wants his SS or GT etc. If I was a new car buyer next year, I would most likely look at a Subaru. I think it will be a very long time untill Holden come anywhere near the Japanese car makers for reliability and build quality. Just a note. I am nearing 50, my mint AUII XR8 has done 98,000kms. If I do 5000kms a year for the next 25 years, my car will have 223,000kms on the odometer. This is my plan to drive a local Ford for the rest of my days. I just can't face not having a large V8 sedan, there is too much I love about my current car. Maybe I will add a newer GT or something down the track, but I don't ever see a reason to buy 9 speed awd v6's!

You're not Holden's future or market target.

They don't make money out of people who buy second hand cars or only live in the past.

Love it or hate it, this car is obviously not aimed at the performance market.

Vesper Martini · 26-10-2016, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nu66et

Maybe not. Fusions 2.7 TTV6 is already intended to replace the atmosphere big six, which the Commodore will still have. The difficulty there will be how easily the engineering behind the V6 Fusion can be shared to a V6 Mondeo. They might have to settle on trying to get a 2.3 EcoBoost model.

They actually have such a Taurus testing here right now

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/161...86e44d55aad0d4

This doesn't mean much as there are often cars from overseas test here for whatever reason, and there is no inclination form Ford.

PS there is no 2.3 Ecoboost model if considered it will be the 2.7

Pedro · 26-10-2016, 01:42 PM

We wait with baited breath for Joshua Dowling's salivating report on this underwhelming vehicle. NOT

Junkyard-Dog · 26-10-2016, 01:48 PM

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaa!!!

Sabantien · 26-10-2016, 01:54 PM

I'm confused.
Should I sell chev or Opel badges on eBay?

From reports about Holden wanting to have an image make over, a lack of a performance model makes sense.

This shouldn't stop Ford bringing out a Mondeo ST given they have committed to increasing their performance range.

adz137 · 26-10-2016, 02:13 PM

So i'm guessing the HSV version will use the mentioned turbocharged 3.0-litre or 3.6-litre GM engine.

This isn't too bad, it is 200 to 300kg lighter than the current commodore and with 230kw it certainly wont be slow.

Trump · 26-10-2016, 02:24 PM

This:

reminds me far too much of this:

That's a massive fail, it will be their AU in terms of perception (and ultimately sales).

Maka · 26-10-2016, 03:10 PM

Squint your eyes then have a look, what do you see? The back half & roofline.... The torque numbers surprisingly a bit lacking but I'm happy to see it not weighing over 1600kg lol. I think time will tell with the 2018 Opel based Commodore, I wish Holden well though Ford will have em covered in Australia for the foreseeable future Imo even when Camaro arrives.

cheer's, Maka

duaned · 26-10-2016, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Joel.

Well it looks alot better than the current Commodore.

You need a visit to specsavers.

XWGT · 26-10-2016, 04:05 PM

Well at this stage, as lame as it looks its still ahead of the Falcon replacement...........

But the whole XR8 SS thing is dead now anyway. Thats what Mustang is for. No idea what GM is going to use and anything they choose is 5 years away anyway.........

But the base Commodore just needs to be efficient and tech laden. The rest is all history............

Mercury Bullet · 26-10-2016, 04:13 PM

Is the Camaro going to be built in RHD?

If not HSV are in trouble...what can they do with this?
I thought their AWD model would come with something better than a mildly tweaked SV6 engine.

snypereb · 26-10-2016, 04:16 PM

Looks like a Kia Rio from the back.

Bossxr8 · 26-10-2016, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LoudPipes

You're not Holden's future or market target.

They don't make money out of people who buy second hand cars or only live in the past.

Love it or hate it, this car is obviously not aimed at the performance market.

But v8's make up 40% of current Commodore sales, so overnight they will basically lose half their potential customers who would never want a rubbish V6. No manual gearbox either. Not to mention ute or LWB.

This abortion is going to fail big time. Thank god Falcon never had it's name attached to a boring hunk of junk like this.