2018 Ranger Raptor

[naddis01]

Has Ford actually said that the Raptor is getting a 2L engine? I would be very surprised if it is. I still think the 3L Powerstroke is more likely given the upcoming competition.

[jpd80]

The 3.2 I-5 is rated at 150 Kw (201 Hp) and 470 nm (350 lb ft)

Just looking up the power specs of the 2.0 Ecoblue in the UK Ford Edge,
the most powerful version is 154 Kw (206 HP) and 450 nm (333 lb ft)
if teamed with a 10-speed auto, it might be quite surprising...

Not suggesting that this is indeed what the new Raptor will be but given the markets
the glober Ranger sells into, a quick diesel that gets below those pesky capacity taxes
may be just the ticket for Asia but would that play well in Australia with an $80K price?

[chevypower]

I'm doubtful that it will be the 2L EcoBlue engine. I think that will appear in the Ranger, but not in the Raptor. My bets are Lion V6 diesel or 2.7 EcoBoost.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by chevypower

I'm doubtful that it will be the 2L EcoBlue engine. I think that will appear in the Ranger, but not in the Raptor. My bets are Lion V6 diesel or 2.7 EcoBoost.

They are revealing in early Feb 2018 in Thailand. Thats your clue for type of engine it will have.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Yeah........nah. Drive one instead of rubbishing it based on the number and you will be surprised. I have owned one for coming up 3 years now and will happily buy another over the equivalent Ranger.
The V6 isn't replacing the 2.0, it is going alongside it. You can still buy either brand new.

FWIW, the only way I would buy a Raptor is if it were a V8,and if it is they will price it out of the market for most buyers anyway. So off to another VW I go.

I have driven a V6 Amarok. 0-100 in 8 seconds. That's far from a performance vehicle but since all other diesel utes do it in 10-14 seconds, 8 isn't bad. That's the figure I would expect in a $80,000 top of the line, bush bashing Raptor.

I have been in a 2L Amarok, I didn't drive it but when the driver floored it, it went well. Nothing amazing, but it did the job better than a number of it's competitors.
Still I don't think that sort of engine in a Ranger Raptor would be a good idea.

[Rallye Sport]

The Falcon guys were ridiculed when they lamented about losing their grand touring sedans... told to 'get with the now' and called 'old school'.
Now the 'new school' is sooking that their poster car hasn't got enough grunt.
Pretty sure no one complained about the power output of the Sprints or GT-F.
I was being hassled by one of these new fangled VW grand tourers on the open road a few weeks ago, now I'm not one to speed up at overtaking points but hey it looks like the archaic, T series still owns the road.

[jpd80]

no wonder Ford gave up HP Falcon sales when they can replace Falcon with 700/mth Mustang sales
Falcon tragics vowing to Ford never to buy one...well lots of V8 Mustangs are still being sold with
over 9,000 this year alone.

I'm simply amazed at the prices being commanded for 4x4 trucks these days,
and selling lots of Rangers between $40k and $80K - lots of buyers are lining up each month

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by jpd80

no wonder Ford gave up HP Falcon sales when they can replace Falcon with 700/mth Mustang sales
Falcon tragics vowing to Ford never to buy one...well lots of V8 Mustangs are still being sold with
over 9,000 this year alone.

I'm simply amazed at the prices being commanded for 4x4 trucks these days,
and selling lots of Rangers between $40k and $80K - lots of buyers are lining up each month

Laughing all the way to the bank there Ford. Make the Rangers for peanuts in thailand, sell them for 40k to 80k a pop. No import duties due to one way free trade agreement. Well done Ford, your corporate greed is paying off..

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Laughing all the way to the bank there Ford. Make the Rangers for peanuts in thailand, sell them for 40k to 80k a pop. No import duties due to one way free trade agreement. Well done Ford, your corporate greed is paying off..

Perhaps you need to reread the FTA

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Perhaps you need to reread the FTA

You mean the Terri's that had the 25% duty applied?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by vztrt

You mean the Terri's that had the 25% duty applied?

Automotive

Thailand immediately eliminated tariffs on large passenger motor vehicles (engine capacity of over 3000cc) and goods vehicles, previously at 80% and 60% respectively.
For other passenger motor vehicles, Thailand immediately reduced the previous 80% tariff to 30%, before phasing this down by 6% each year to zero in 2010.

Tariffs on all automotive parts, components and accessories, previously up to 42%, were immediately reduced to a ceiling of 20%, and will be phased to zero by 2010. Tariffs on engines were immediately reduced from the previous 30% to 15%. Other tariffs previously at or below 20% were also immediately reduced and phased down accordingly.

http://dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/...agreement.aspx

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Laughing all the way to the bank there Ford. Make the Rangers for peanuts in thailand, sell them for 40k to 80k a pop. No import duties due to one way free trade agreement. Well done Ford, your corporate greed is paying off..

Look at the equipment levels in a ranger compared to an fgx.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Laughing all the way to the bank there Ford. Make the Rangers for peanuts in thailand, sell them for 40k to 80k a pop. No import duties due to one way free trade agreement. Well done Ford, your corporate greed is paying off..

umm, they are a business, what do you expect them to do? discount heavily in Aus to say thanks for not buying enough Falcons?

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by simon varley

umm, they are a business, what do you expect them to do? discount heavily in Aus to say thanks for not buying enough Falcons?

Simon you are a breath of fresh air to the normal toxic “It’s not a Falcon so I hate it thread”.

Keep posting sense whilst the dinosaur’s disappear.

Thanks

[FlipXW]

.albumtemp.JPG This screenshot of a video that popped up on Facebook a little while ago basically confirms its diesel.

[eb2fairmont]

Simply this:

If the raptor is 4 cyl diesel it’s not going to sell.

Price point is irrelevant, why buy a raptor when you can modify a wildtrak instead with the same mechanicals. Otherwise the x class and amarok will claim that market as their own.

It needs a better and different motor to the regular ranger and more than 4 cylinders...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

Simply this:

If the raptor is 4 cyl diesel it’s not going to sell.

Price point is irrelevant, why buy a raptor when you can modify a wildtrak instead with the same mechanicals. Otherwise the x class and amarok will claim that market as their own.

It needs a better and different motor to the regular ranger and more than 4 cylinders...

Rubbish. All the dealer deposits already made are proof people don’t care whats powering it. Same deal with xlt and wildtrak.

No one buys petrol motors in dual cabs, mostly due to ridiculous fuel costs. A v6 petrol in a 2 tonne + truck would chew the fuel.

In saying that though the v6 diesel from the f150 should be available. Hopefully they are watching v6 amarok sales closely and follow suit.

[bernbo]

Just looked at the specs for an f150 raptor. 0-60mph is 5 seconds which makes the ranger raptor look more like a ranger peacock, all show and no go. I will guess we will see in Feb when the final specs are released, but I have the feeling everyone will be disapointed with another sticker pack special.

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[383hq]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Automotive

Thailand immediately eliminated tariffs on large passenger motor vehicles (engine capacity of over 3000cc) and goods vehicles, previously at 80% and 60% respectively.
For other passenger motor vehicles, Thailand immediately reduced the previous 80% tariff to 30%, before phasing this down by 6% each year to zero in 2010.

Tariffs on all automotive parts, components and accessories, previously up to 42%, were immediately reduced to a ceiling of 20%, and will be phased to zero by 2010. Tariffs on engines were immediately reduced from the previous 30% to 15%. Other tariffs previously at or below 20% were also immediately reduced and phased down accordingly.

http://dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/...agreement.aspx

Typical of politicians and lawyers, nothing is ever as simple as it first appears -There are taxes, tariffs, duties, and excises.

From DFAT:
However, under the Thailand–Australia Free Trade Agreement (TAFTA), any given components, CKD kits and CBUs that reach a minimum of Thailand or Australia’s content requirement of 40 per cent, will be subject to tariff reduction or zero import duties.

Duties are compounded by other taxes:

the new excise tax structure has been in effect since January 2016. The excise tax rates vary between vehicle types based on Carbon Dioxide (CO2) levels and engine displacement size: three per cent for a single cab pick-up truck with CO2 levels of less than 200 gram/kilometre, rising to 50 per cent for large passenger sedans (Source: Thailand Automotive Institute)
interior taxes at 10 per cent of the excise taxes
Value Added Tax (VAT) at seven per cent

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

Simply this:

If the raptor is 4 cyl diesel it’s not going to sell.

Price point is irrelevant, why buy a raptor when you can modify a wildtrak instead with the same mechanicals. Otherwise the x class and amarok will claim that market as their own.

It needs a better and different motor to the regular ranger and more than 4 cylinders...

Hopefully you'll show everyone how much the same it is when it's released. Make sure there's a build thread!

[PRW]

saw an Orange Ranger Raptor in Perth yesterday morning - looked very impressive. I was heading in a different direction, wasn't able to follow it. Hopefully the engine matches the looks - if it does, I will get one

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by PRW

saw an Orange Ranger Raptor in Perth yesterday morning - looked very impressive. I was heading in a different direction, wasn't able to follow it. Hopefully the engine matches the looks - if it does, I will get one

Won’t be a real one. Just a ranger modified by the owner.

[PepeLePew]

Lots of pretenders around...

[PRW]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Won’t be a real one. Just a ranger modified by the owner.

Damn - looked so real!

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by PRW

Damn - looked so real!

Really?...I bet that light bar lights up the cabin interior nicely as well

[Craig@AUDI]

Originally Posted by PRW

Damn - looked so real!

Nah that's an early PX1 that's been spruced up.

[jpd80]

Think about a 2.0 litre diesel that has similar power and torque to the 3.2 I-5 and better than the
Territory's 2.7 V6 - that has to seriously gap the competition on performance and fuel efficiency.

That has to be a huge leap forward in fuel efficiency while retaining plenty of performance,
and more so if Ford adds their brilliant 10-speed auto to keep the engine in the sweet spot.

[naddis01]

The problem with putting a 2.0 in the Ranger, regardless of power and economy, is very much a mental issue. Many people in this segment just won't accept it. Think of how the 4 cylinder Falcon went. It was arguably better than the 6 cyl version but it simply wasn't accepted.

The 3.0 powerstroke sounds like a better fit to me. It would also have the advantage of staying ahead of the competition instead of allowing them to catch up. 150kW in this segment will be the norm not the exception in the very near future. The V6 should stay ahead of that.

[Nu66et]

Is this going to be a real economy gain or just on paper? Likewise power, how is it going to feel offboost with a loss of over a third capacity

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by naddis01

The problem with putting a 2.0 in the Ranger, regardless of power and economy, is very much a mental issue. Many people in this segment just won't accept it. Think of how the 4 cylinder Falcon went. It was arguably better than the 6 cyl version but it simply wasn't accepted.

It's not the same situation, there is broad acceptance of turbo I-4 diesels in this segment, the V6 trucks are the exception because, manufacturers like VW desperately needed something to stand out with their Amarok to get noticed.

The 3.0 powerstroke sounds like a better fit to me. It would also have the advantage of staying ahead of the competition instead of allowing them to catch up. 150kW in this segment will be the norm not the exception in the very near future. The V6 should stay ahead of that.

There are good prospects for a 3.0 Powerstroke, especially with the 10-speed auto because that's what's going into the F150 next year and because of that, I suspect that any announcement for ranger would have to be after that engine bows at NAIAS in January or February. That's why we won't see it presented at Thailand but glad to be proven wrong on this one...

Originally Posted by Nu66et

Is this going to be a real economy gain or just on paper? Likewise power, how is it going to feel offboost with a loss of over a third capacity

A lot of the new tech diesels actually spool up quicker with less lag than the older engines. The Puma 3.2 I-5 is well past
its use by date and the new 2.0 is a great replacement, although the shadow of the 3.0 Powerstroke looms large in the
background.