Highway Patrol (NSW)

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by EDManual

^^Who cares if people do these speeds.

If its safe, as it is 99.9% of the time its fine.

Well the one I heard on the scanner less than an hour ago must be that.1%
Nsw p plater in a 110 zone got done over 45 over. License suspended on the spot although he was allowed to drive to a servo in goulburn to park up, probably due to the young female in the car.
I hope he doesn't try and continue his trip as the police are waiting for him, and the other car whose driver no longer has a license.

[5.8]

Originally Posted by EDManual

^^Who cares if people do these speeds.

If its safe, as it is 99.9% of the time its fine.

What the cops dont tell you, and is a fact, is that MOST single car accidents resulting in fatalities are in fact SUICIDES! Over 50%! The rest inattention, falling asleep, and being drunk/drugs.
Suicides are the only ones where real speed has something do do with a death, thats right they deliberately speed and hit the trees, apart from the VERY RARE drag race that goes wrong. (maybe 1 in 1000 deaths??)

I do drive in Europe a lot. So have no respect for rural/hwy speed zones so when I can get away with it here, i do.

Dont believe me about suicides making up a huge amount of the road toll? Ask the Vic coroner. He states that these deaths go down in the road statistics as they cant prove suicide, but in each case they look into the lives of the people involved and its obvious in so many instances. Very sad.

Anyway, yeah, the cops on Hwys are all about revenue....

What a to$$er

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by tempted

What are they hoping to achieve with that monstrosity other than proving how good they are at wasting taxpayers money?

until you need them hey??

[M&Ms]

Originally Posted by wildrider

until you need them hey??

And then you wait 3 hours for them to come around when you call 000 to report your house has been broken into... but hey, at least you'll get 3 hwp cars come to you within 5 minutes of being pulled over for street racing....

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by EDManual

I do drive in Europe a lot. So have no respect for rural/hwy speed zones so when I can get away with it here, i do.

That's a bit disturbing. Away from motorways the speed limit on normal country roads and highways in Europe is the same as it is here - 90 to 100, which is what it's safe to drive at. The debate about speed limits vis a vis Europe is about motorways only.

[BOSS 540]

I hope they don't get any FG X XR8's! With such limited supply that would be a waste of a good car! At least with the Raptor, R spec etc you see at car shows they are making an effort to socialise with car enthusiasts. I wouldn't mind seeing a drag racing version commo vs Falcon would be fun.
They arn't all bad and some are actually into cars, I got followed and pulled over by a HWP guy just to check out the coupe. Turned out he had an XB and was a really nice fella. Ive mellowed with age, but if you don't drive like an obvious tool and act like a smartarse when pulled over, you rarely have a problem.
The thing I hate is the camera cars sitting by the side of the road, they only catch drivers who arnt aware enough to spot them, but THAT is revenue raising imo.

[ms700]

Originally Posted by M&Ms

And then you wait 3 hours for them to come around when you call 000 to report your house has been broken into... but hey, at least you'll get 3 hwp cars come to you within 5 minutes of being pulled over for street racing....

000 calls are usually reserved for life threatening instances - where peoples lives are in immediate danger. Was your life, or someone elses in immediate danger when you "reported that your house HAS been broken into??

[PHATXR8]

Originally Posted by oxmo

Has anyone else noticed how all HP cars have had their markings removed from the front of the vehicles?

Any ideas why this has been done?

Also, have you noticed how they do not hide in the bushes anymore, or at the bottomf hills where they know it will be an easy catch for them? (this is not a complaint, just my personal observation and I am wondering if it is consistent with the opinion of others)

Pretty clear why they have done this........to increase thier stealth so they can raise more revenue.

As for them not hiding in bushes or at the bottom of hills, this is not true!! Drive down the Hume Highway or anywhere else in southern NSW on any day of the week and you will find the scumbags saving 1000's of lives from people driving in 110 zone at 115 km/h

[XR Martin]

I sit just above 120kmh on the Hume and have never been pulled over.
Even overtook the FPV and HSV highway patrol cars a little while ago and they didnt take any interest.

[PHATXR8]

Well I have been booke for 115 in a110 zone on the Hume in nsw and I then had to go o Court to keep my 22 year clean driving history intact. They are lying scumbags.

[gsd112]

I just wish they would police the keep left unless overtaking as a heap of Australian drivers are absolutely rude selfish pigs when it comes to this.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by BOSS 540

I hope they don't get any FG X XR8's! With such limited supply that would be a waste of a good car!

The NSWHP havent used XR8's since they had issues with the BF's, so I doubt that will change. See what happens I spose.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by EDManual

I drive mainly all over Vic. And never get my front end ripped out from potholes. Roads are actually pretty good. People are whingers in australia. And when they arent, drive to the conditions! How hard is it? Keep your eyes open, if you drive into a big pothole, you shouldnt have a licence.

I could rip this post to shreds but I just don’t have time. Let me advise you, good sir, that even major roads like the Western Highway, in some sections, are in need of urgent repair and the condition of some of the potholes can change in a few hours.

Not all potholes and rough sections are visible in the dark and many people drive vehicles that can’t just change direction like a bloody F1 car.

[rst2000]

Originally Posted by oxmo

To everyone saying cops are revenue raisers I would have to disagree.
I have lost count of the amount of times I have gone past HWP vehicles at 10+ km per hour and they never came after me.

come down to the most livable state and see how you go...Victoria, i would love to see you put your theory to the test here.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by rst2000

come down to the most livable state and see how you go...Victoria, i would love to see you put your theory to the test here.

We're now well-conditioned like Pavlov's dogs here. It's so bad that when you take to the motorway in Europe, the first time you see a police car you hit the brakes as an impulsive reaction - until you realise everybody is overtaking the police car and the police aren't interested!

Recently, driving up the motorway from Wollongong to Sydney I came up behind a large pack of cars unusually driving about 15 below the speed limit, so I kept my speed at 110 (by the GPS) and passed them to find a HP car second from the front of the pack and the bloke in front of him obviously having kittens. So I continued on cruise control till I was well ahead of them and the HP car broke out of the pack and started following me, obviously waiting for me to make a fatal mistake. When I didn't he lost interest and dropped back to rejoin the sheep herd. Road safety? How completely ridiculous.

Recently drove up the Hume from Canberra - both this between ACT border and Campbelltown south and the motorway from Waterfall to Bulli are clearly OK for 130 (and I believe the Hume southwards also though I haven't been on it for years).

But the "road safety industry" is getting us well-corralled now, what with point to point cameras and design standards for motorways I strongly suspect being cut down to about 110. We don't really have a chance.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by b2tf

The NSWHP havent used XR8's since they had issues with the BF's, so I doubt that will change. See what happens I spose.

They get a good deal with the XR6Ts w/brembos, and considering there are no fleet/discount pricing on XR8s I cant see them getting any for regular duties.
Might be the odd one for promo stuff.

[ms700]

Originally Posted by new2ford

Recently, driving up the motorway from Wollongong to Sydney I came up behind a large pack of cars unusually driving about 15 below the speed limit, so I kept my speed at 110 (by the GPS) and passed them to find a HP car second from the front of the pack and the bloke in front of him obviously having kittens. So I continued on cruise control till I was well ahead of them and the HP car broke out of the pack and started following me, obviously waiting for me to make a fatal mistake. When I didn't he lost interest and dropped back to rejoin the sheep herd. Road safety? How completely ridiculous.

Nice assumption you drew there.

Obviously waiting for you to make a fatal mistake? Paranoid much??

[oxmo]

Originally Posted by rst2000

come down to the most livable state and see how you go...Victoria, i would love to see you put your theory to the test here.

haha, yes I have been told that before. That's why I specifically put (NSW) in the original post.

Apparently in VIC there is no warning for cameras at all? They are hidden under bridge overpasses etc? is this correct?

At least in NSW, fixed speed cameras have 3 large signs spaced at least 50 metres apart warning approaching motorists of the upcoming camera.
However, these new 'safety' cameras only provide 1 sign but it is better than nothing I guess.

[Dave R]

Wasn't it NSW police a number of years back that put out the press release saying they were putting more HWP cars on the road because having them visible to other motorists was part of their safety strategy? Ie, you see the police car, you slow down and you also get the impression that they're everywhere. Or was that QLD? Either way, making HWP cars invisible from the front has obviously made them more effective at catching speeders- whether you call that road safety or revenue raising is up to you. The officers themselves wouldn't care how much the government is making, but I can't help but think it was in the minds of the committee when they decided on the new stealth livery.

[ms700]

Stealth livery?

Chances are, if you need to see the bonnet decals, they would have caught you, or have a speed lock on you by then.....

[dmat2391]

LOL +1 for the above post.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by ms700

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Stealth livery?

Chances are, if you need to see the bonnet decals, they would have caught you, or have a speed lock on you by then.....

Yes, stealth livery. This is a fully marked car.....



I know, "fully marked" is a bit of a laugh. From front-on they are an unmarked car, right down to the lights hidden behind the grille. Add that to the new slimline lightbars, most people have no idea they're being followed by a HWP car. They've also ordered half of them in dark colours like this grey one. Good luck noticing him 200m behind you.



There's a road in my area where they play the same game day in day out- they wait under the bridge for someone to turn onto the road, then they loop around and follow about 200m behind. It's a long, straight country style road with a low speed limit (60 kays, really should be higher). Most people do 80+, then get the shock of their lives when that plain coloured car behind them turns out to be HWP. They've tried the same trick on me dozens of times on that road alone and only started doing it when this new stealth livery was introduced.

Same kind of games on the Hume highway, they're now reversing them into the centre divides now so you can't see the markings as you approach- particularly at night as there are no stickers to reflect. Regardless of whether they've already got you in this situation, you used to be able to see them and at least wipe some speed off (they need a 3 second lock). Not so anymore. Quite smart really.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

I sit just above 120kmh on the Hume and have never been pulled over.

Lets see, you're from the ACT so I assume that you were 'speeding' between there and Syd?

If you regularly do 120kmh around Goulburn-Mittagong and don't get booked there can only be three reasons why.
# your speedo is out 10%
#You have friends at the Goulburn Police Academy
# its BS.

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Even overtook the FPV and HSV highway patrol cars a little while ago and they didnt take any interest.

I've overtaken them in a Truck as well.................... but they were going under the speed limit.

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Lets see, you're from the ACT so I assume that you were 'speeding' between there and Syd?

If you regularly do 120kmh around Goulburn-Mittagong and don't get booked there can only be three reasons why.
# your speedo is out 10%
#You have friends at the Goulburn Police Academy
# its BS.
I've overtaken them in a Truck as well.................... but they were going under the speed limit.

I sit on a confirmed 120 daily between Goulburn and Canberra and can confirm that hwp in this area will leave you alone at 10 over the limit.
Speedo is not out 10%, I have no friends in the police, it is real.

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by BOSS 540

The thing I hate is the camera cars sitting by the side of the road, they only catch drivers who arnt aware enough to spot them, but THAT is revenue raising imo.

Personally I like the camera cars booking those not aware and don't put that as revenue raising. To me that is an awareness tax, you are aware, you don't pay it. Drive in a dream, and you get done, as it should be. I don't want day dreamers on the road any where near me.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Lets see, you're from the ACT so I assume that you were 'speeding' between there and Syd?

If you regularly do 120kmh around Goulburn-Mittagong and don't get booked there can only be three reasons why.
# your speedo is out 10%
#You have friends at the Goulburn Police Academy
# its BS.
I've overtaken them in a Truck as well.................... but they were going under the speed limit.

Ah for the old days before the "safety show" got going when I used to do 130 on that!

That (ACT to Campbelltown) is an outstandingly-built section of motorway. I'd rate it better (for sightlines, general conditions, traffic volumes etc) than the fairly new Prague-Nuremburg motorway that I drove every week in Europe a couple of years ago. On that, minimum speed that everybody drove at was about 130 with some in the German section doing 200 or so. The speed limit was reduced to 120 around busier interchanges. No signs of carnage. What exactly is this "speed kills" safety issue that they go on about?

However, I can see a few real safety issues on the Hume motorway that the HWP and the road safety experts choose to ignore.

- Failure to keep left unless overtaking: imho a very dangerous practice due to the frustration and need for dangerous maneouvring it causes.

- The suppression (through speed limit enforcement) of the ability to execute a quick burst of speed to overtake and get well clear of an obstacle. For example in Europe with a slower-moving truck you will accelerate past it and get well ahead quickly before moving back to the right (our left) and resuming your speed. The police have no problem with that. Here, because of the "regime", people will spend ages creeping past a slower vehicle moving at little less speed and then cut them off pulling in front of them, all out of fear of being pinged. I feel sorry for truck drivers who set their speed by GPS putting up with these overtakers on over-reading speedometers. It's both frustrating and quite dangerous.

- The general monotony of highway hypnosis and taking longer to do a journey (Australia is a big country, some forget) as a result of holding an artificially low speed for so long, leading to loss of concentration and even microsleeps.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Lets see, you're from the ACT so I assume that you were 'speeding' between there and Syd?

If you regularly do 120kmh around Goulburn-Mittagong and don't get booked there can only be three reasons why.
# your speedo is out 10%
#You have friends at the Goulburn Police Academy
# its BS.
I've overtaken them in a Truck as well.................... but they were going under the speed limit.

or

# They were too busy stuffing their face with a Big Mac and fries

# Were on their mobile phone discussing the morning meet time for coffee and donuts

# The list could go on and on ......




Seriously though, there is definitely revenue raising going on and as others have said and documented, the new HWP's I've seen in my area down the NSW South Coast (same as pictured above) are far from enforcing the title of VISIBLE police presence on the roads Unless you can see them side on from a distance there's no way you would pick them as HWP cars when they are coming directly at you from either the front or rear

As long as you behave yourself and don't speed you shouldn't have too much to worry about

[steve.zissou]

Just to clarify.

1) speeding fines are a scam
2) Police are just doing their job, don't get mad at them.
3) Politicians set the rules - they are Lords of the scam
4) Australians vote for politicians - If Australians are dumb enough to vote these monkeys in and put up with their contempt for the public they deserve what they get.

Seriously, politicians must **** them selves at what they can get away with.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by devilcv8

I sit on a confirmed 120 daily between Goulburn and Canberra and can confirm that hwp in this area will leave you alone at 10 over the limit.
Speedo is not out 10%, I have no friends in the police, it is real.

Do you drive a camry or some other non-descript car? My best effort was 150kph on cruise in both directions syd to gundagai, couple of years ago in a white stock sleeper turbo BA XT. Only slowed to the limit 20kph radius of major towns. No hwp in sight, one trip at night and other during the day. Got to destination and back refreshed. Do it at 110kph and I am nearly dying of fatigue. Not game to try it again these days though

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Do you drive a camry or some other non-descript car? My best effort was 150kph on cruise in both directions syd to gundagai, couple of years ago in a white stock sleeper turbo BA XT. Only slowed to the limit 20kph radius of major towns. No hwp in sight, one trip at night and other during the day. Got to destination and back refreshed. Do it at 110kph and I am nearly dying of fatigue. Not game to try it again these days though

Nope, last car was a voodoo blue VE SS ute but current car is a vx v6 Calais in silver.

I hear on the scanner and read on the traffic command Facebook page quite a few stories of over 45 over the limit in te Goulburn area, so definitely not worth it these days.

For those who may one day get done, be aware that a call goes out to keep a lookout for your car when you get pulled over and have your license suspended on the spot, so don't risk it.