VFACTS November 2014

[bobthebilda]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/323119/c...rs-and-losers/

Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – November 2014
1.Mazda 3 – 3499
2.Toyota Corolla – 3264
3.Toyota HiLux – 2920
4.Hyundai i30 – 2886
5.Holden Commodore – 2200
6.Mitsubishi Triton – 2182
7.Ford Ranger – 2092
8.Toyota Camry – 1981
9.Mitsubishi ASX – 1763
10.Hyundai ix35 – 1697

Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – 2014 to date
1.Toyota Corolla – 40,189
2.Mazda 3 – 39,510
3.Toyota HiLux – 34,796
4.Hyundai i30 – 28,667
5.Holden Commodore – 28,194
6.Ford Ranger – 24,631
7.Mitsubishi Triton – 20,836
8.Mazda CX-5 – 19,854
9.Toyota Camry – 19,670
10.Volkswagen Golf (including Cabriolet) – 18,081

Top 10 Best-selling Brands – November 2014
1.Toyota – 15,995
2.Hyundai – 8600
3.Mazda – 8106
4.Holden – 7849
5.Mitsubishi – 7067
6.Ford – 5843
7.Nissan – 5183
8.Volkswagen – 4403
9.Subaru – 3802
10.Mercedes-Benz – 3369

Top 10 Best-selling Brands – 2014 to date
1.Toyota – 184,486
2.Holden – 98,340
3.Hyundai – 92,354
4.Mazda – 91,973
5.Ford – 73,767
6.Mitsubishi – 61,199
7.Nissan – 60,156
8.Volkswagen – 50,262
9.Subaru – 37,071
10.Honda – 29,240

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[XR Martin]

ASX and IX35 out of nowhere.
Did some fleet buy up big or something?

[galaxy xr8]

Do we dare ask were the Falcon and Territory numbers are ?.

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Do we dare ask were the Falcon and Territory numbers are ?.

Falcon=411 Territory=679.

[FOCUSonTHIS]

Falcon better than last month. Territory is a bit worrying as not much has changed on the new model.

[csv8]

FGX won't really show up until March 2015 figures...that will be interesting......

[Smoke Pursuit]

FGX wont do anymore then 500 max per month.

[naddis01]

Holden beaten by Hyundai and Mazda for the month. I think they have more to worry about than Ford in the coming years.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Holden beaten by Hyundai and Mazda for the month. I think they have more to worry about than Ford in the coming years.

How so ?

They sold well over 2000 Commodores in Nov.
So much for big rear wheel drive sedans don't sell......lmao

They do sell when they are built with competitive tech and competitive pricing with competitive marketing and unashamed advertising.

Where is Focus ??

[carwant.com.au]

If you want a Corolla or Mazda 3, now is the time to bargain as both are offering top deals in order claim the highest selling car for 2014

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

How so ?



They sold well over 2000 Commodores in Nov.

So much for big rear wheel drive sedans don't sell......lmao



They do sell when they are built with competitive tech and competitive pricing with competitive marketing and unashamed advertising.



Where is Focus ??

He said coming years as in when the commie is gone and the imports that they sell aren't up to scratch

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

He said coming years as in when the commie is gone and the imports that they sell aren't up to scratch

Fair enough - yes.
In the coming years that top 10 is likely to be unrecognisable and change 10 times over.

The biggest loser may well be Toyota and Mazda as the onslaught of the Koreans continues.

Be interesting to see what lies outside the top 10.

[Supercharged]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

How so ?

They sold well over 2000 Commodores in Nov.
So much for big rear wheel drive sedans don't sell......lmao

They do sell when they are built with competitive tech and competitive pricing with competitive marketing and unashamed advertising.

Where is Focus ??

If you removed the cop car sales for Commodores and Falcons just how bad would the sales look.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

How so ?

They sold well over 2000 Commodores in Nov.
So much for big rear wheel drive sedans don't sell......lmao

They do sell when they are built with competitive tech and competitive pricing with competitive marketing and unashamed advertising.

Where is Focus ??

Is that supposed to be good? When Falcon was selling 2000 a month the talk was that it was failing badly. It eventually sunk to where it is now. Commodore is on the same path its just a couple of years behind the Falcon.

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

ASX and IX35 out of nowhere.
Did some fleet buy up big or something?

I see ASXs on the road EVERYWHERE, they must be the in thing right now. I must say the latest facelift with LED DRLs and machined alloys always makes me look twice.

[Struggo]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

I see ASXs on the road EVERYWHERE, they must be the in thing right now. I must say the latest facelift with LED DRLs and machined alloys always makes me look twice.

Couldn't give me one, they have to be one of the worst cars I have driven. Pure rubbish.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

Is that supposed to be good? When Falcon was selling 2000 a month the talk was that it was failing badly. It eventually sunk to where it is now. Commodore is on the same path its just a couple of years behind the Falcon.

Yes it is good
Commodore sold over 2000 units and its competition sold 400 - In what universe is that bad ? It was the 5th best selling vehicle in November and YTD - its bucking the trend that Ford are using as justification for poor sales of the Falcon. Just sayin.
And to add to that - @ 30% of those commodore sales are V8's !! So @ 700 - 800 V8 Commodores per month in sedan and wagon are rolling out.

Yes Commodore will eventually drop - but gee - they are making hay while the sun shines.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Yes it is good
Yes Commodore will eventually drop - but gee - they are making hay while the sun shines.

At 2000 they would be losing money on every one they sell. Just like Ford are with 1000 Falcons and Territories, difference is Ford is spending nothing on developing self parking and all the other gizmos that the VF has, so they will probably lose a lot less.

[bobthebilda]

-GT;5273992]Yes it is good
Commodore sold over 2000 units and its competition sold 400 - In what universe is that bad ? It was the 5th best selling vehicle in November and YTD - its bucking the trend that Ford are using as justification for poor sales of the Falcon. Just sayin.
And to add to that - @ 30% of those commodore sales are V8's !! So @ 700 - 800 V8 Commodores per month in sedan and wagon are rolling out.

Yesit Commodore will eventually drop - but gee - they are making hay while the sun shines.[/QUOTE]

The competition for the commodore aint the falcon, its every other car that is being sold. In a business that requires 10's of thousands sales a month (locally and internationally) to keep a factory open, the commodore is just as defunct as the falcon. The mere fact that more commodores are being sold than falcon does not mean Holden are making hay whilst the sun shines, they are simply buying hay at $50 a bale and selling It at $40 a bale. If they were making hay, they would keep making it post 2017.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by tweeked

At 2000 they would be losing money on every one they sell. Just like Ford are with 1000 Falcons and Territories, difference is Ford is spending nothing on developing self parking and all the other gizmos that the VF has, so they will probably lose a lot less.

Without knowing the margins - its difficult to call that one
Remember that GM spent a lot less than Ford did locally in having to develop local engines for their 6 and 8 - they basically used crate engines didnt they ?

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

The competition for the commodore aint the falcon, its every other car that is being sold. In a business that requires 10's of thousands sales a month (locally and internationally) to keep a factory open, the commodore is just as defunct as the falcon. The mere fact that more commodores are being sold than falcon does not mean Holden are making hay whilst the sun shines, they are simply buying hay at $50 a bale and selling It at $40 a bale. If they were making hay, they would keep making it post 2017.

Its direct competition is the Falcon and yes every other mode of transport out there including public transport....lol Despite that , it still managed to outsell the camry and came close to the i30. Ford Focus doesnt even fugure in the top 10 ????
I'm not a fan of the commodore , never have been - but the figures are there for the debate .

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Without knowing the margins - its difficult to call that one
Remember that GM spent a lot less than Ford did locally in having to develop local engines for their 6 and 8 - they basically used crate engines didnt they ?

Holden and Cadillac both developed the 3.6 V6 at great cost.
Yes the V8 is a crate engine.

As opposed to the Holden V6, a miniscule amount has been spent on the Falcon 6.
FPV developed the V8 so this has also cost Ford very little.

[RANGEREST]

PMSL, that dirty heap of **** Commodore is dying, just like the Falcon has, (Let it RIP)
BUT it's till 5th, Our best seller, the Ranger, car of the year blah blah blah, (I love mine too) best seller for most Ford dealers is 7th and that's awesome somehow? WTF are you haters on?

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Yes it is good
Commodore sold over 2000 units and its competition sold 400 - In what universe is that bad ? It was the 5th best selling vehicle in November and YTD - its bucking the trend that Ford are using as justification for poor sales of the Falcon. Just sayin.
And to add to that - @ 30% of those commodore sales are V8's !! So @ 700 - 800 V8 Commodores per month in sedan and wagon are rolling out.

Yes Commodore will eventually drop - but gee - they are making hay while the sun shines.

The trend is there. Commodore and Falcon used to be the clear 1 and 2 for the month. Now they aren't even close. There would have been about 100,000 cars sold for the month and only about 5000 of them were large sedans. They are finished.

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

He said coming years as in when the commie is gone and the imports that they sell aren't up to scratch

And i suppose in the coming years, the Holden offerings will remain the same will they? Do some of us on this forum know the deepest secrets of Holden and Ford's product planning department? Get a grip please!

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

The competition for the commodore aint the falcon, its every other car that is being sold.

There are only 4 other models outselling Commodore.

How many types of vehicles are sold in Australia?

It may not be possible to turn a profit from manufacturing locally but Holden is still out performing many others in sales volume.

Someone must like it.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Hertz, Avis, Govcos, Police, Telstra they are all buying Commodores at national fleet pricing.

I would love to see the break up of sales between Gov Fleet, National Fleet, Small Business and Private Buyer.

[LooLoo18]

End of the day they are selling commodores I bet the guys in the plant don't care who buys them!!!

[arronm]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

How so ?

They sold well over 2000 Commodores in Nov.
So much for big rear wheel drive sedans don't sell......lmao

They do sell when they are built with competitive tech and competitive pricing with competitive marketing and unashamed advertising.

Where is Focus ??

That's true a good car at a good price

The VF redline are real popular now

But I don't see holden dealers putting the price up to $75000

[happyrock]

63 manufacturers to sell 1.1 million vehicles per year. does not make economic sense. America has just 30 manufacturers to sell 16 million vehicles per year. we need a rationalisation of manufacturers selling in Australia so that the motor vehicle industry and all supporting business may be able to grow and prosper rather than being marginal. The new car franchise as we know it in Australia is unsustainable in its current state and if left to continue we will see many more dealers close than the few we have witnessed in the previous month.