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Old 04-04-2007, 10:30 AM   #1
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Default Upgrade: Polo Gti vs Fiesta XR4

Howdy,

Between September 07 - December 07, I will be looking to upgrade from the Fiesta Zetec to either a Polo GTi or XR4, but am really un decided which one is right for me. I like both of them in different ways. Here are my thoughts on each.

Polo Gti -

Negative - Not as stylish looking as XR4 exterior wise.

Positive - Great roomy interior (Full leather + Sunroof as options), 110kws that can be beefed up to 150kws for a simple 2.5grand. Awesome exhaust note, Very chuckable in twisties. Love the acceleration and torque. Feels like a more grown up car. Will hold its value in 3 years

Fiesta XR4 -

Negative - Not easily modable compared to Polo. No full leather option. Interior is a very similar to the regular fiestas. Not a fan of thin multispoke wheels. People will percieve it as a boy racer car. Waiting list.

Positive - Looks more aggressive. Pulls more G's on twisties, apparently handles alot better. Better choice of colours and stripes as option.
Sounds awesome on the Youtube videos. WIll be more exclusive as not many available in the first few months.

There is more things to take into account with each, but here is the kicker.

My brother is looking to sell his Polo Gti (upgrading his family and polo would be useless and he already has his toy) and offered it to me for a bargain (with in reason). Now i was the one who introduced him to Polo Gti as i always wanted one way before the XR4 was confirmed for AUS. But prior to that i said "if the XR4 comes to AUS i would get it no matter what".

So my question is would you take the Polo Gti knowing
A) you can get it for a cheaper price
B) you can mod it for the same price a XR4 on road would cost you.
C) Its better bang for buck in the long run.

Obviously taking each for a test drive will close the deal, but theoretically which would you take and why...

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I should have added.

At the end of the day, i want something to get to a to b, but still have fun on the weekends. 110kws is more than enough for me, so modding it for more power isnt a asap move i want to take, but still have it as a future option.
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Some of us had this conversation the other night. Do I still need to add what I think here in this thread?
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:25 AM   #4
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Some of us had this conversation the other night. Do I still need to add what I think here in this thread?
Totally up to you. Just trying to get as many opinions. But if i recall you said XR4??

I would much prefer the XR4 for its exclusivity, but the Polo seems like an offer i would be an idiot to refuse.
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im in same boat as ivan. but reading that damo you have essetially answered your own question.
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So my question is would you take the Polo Gti knowing
A) you can get it for a cheaper price
B) you can mod it for the same price a XR4 on road would cost you.
C) Its better bang for buck in the long run.
i think if you had a choice of buying one brand new, id personally take the fiesta. but if i was being given one cheaper and you know it has been treated well and its been in the family, not to mention the possibility of paying a mojority of it upfront and paying the rest off later without interest that you would have with a new car.
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Its up to you really. Personally id go the XR4 for the reason I said before on MSN. I doubt the XR4 will have any resale issues with only a few coming in each year.

Really its up to which one youd rather be stuck in traffic with.
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Well id rather be stuck in the XR4. Its too yummi. Um if i was looking to mod what kind of kilowatts would i expect for say 2.5g?
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150+ ish.
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150+ ish.
Hmm ok i doubt 150kws would be possible for 2.5g. I was thinking like 130 max.

Hopfully one of the site sponsers will have something up there sleeves when it hits the road.
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1500 will get you a full stainless exhuast
You already have a K&N apollo
Milltek claim a 21hp increase with an K&N
900 for a bluefin with a 10hp claim

You might get more who knows. But mid 130kw is plenty for a FWD
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Im pretty confident on my decision after reading peoples replies and MSN chatter. Should hopefully be able to put the wheels in motion soon and get in in the driveway asap.
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Hey Damo,

I'd go for the XR4! It looks better in my opinion, and is such a great and rewarding car to drive. I wouldn't want to modify suspension components (costly if you go with the good brands, which you would do if you were spending that money on such a car!) as you would void your warranty. Hence, the chassis and suspension tuning in the XR4 seem to be raved on about in all the reviews I read.

Plus, revving the rings out of a naturally aspirated car is sooooo much fun, especially on the twisty roads on the weekends. I believe it would be far more rewarding...

As mentioned though, go out there and test drive the XR4 when it arrives! Can your brother wait till then?

Good luck with the upgrade! Finally you will be out of the Auto Fiesta ;)
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Hey Damo,

I'd go for the XR4! It looks better in my opinion, and is such a great and rewarding car to drive. I wouldn't want to modify suspension components (costly if you go with the good brands, which you would do if you were spending that money on such a car!) as you would void your warranty. Hence, the chassis and suspension tuning in the XR4 seem to be raved on about in all the reviews I read.

Plus, revving the rings out of a naturally aspirated car is sooooo much fun, especially on the twisty roads on the weekends. I believe it would be far more rewarding...

As mentioned though, go out there and test drive the XR4 when it arrives! Can your brother wait till then?

Good luck with the upgrade! Finally you will be out of the Auto Fiesta ;)
Yeah the bro can wait thats not a problem. But yeah my mind is set on the XR4 110% but will make the final decision once both can be test drived.

So can i now no longer be the but of all Auto jokes?
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Test drive them both and see which one you like the best. Thats the best way to find out if you like it or not
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Damo, I'd go the XR4. Handling, looks, it sheets on the Poler Gti.

As Pie said, 130 is enough for a small 1000kg Fwd car... Thats what mine is, and its ample for now..
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I'd go the polo, it would be more effortless around town due to having more torque, VW make good cars and they are so feature packed for the price and they look better in my opinion, for Fiesta looks underdone sort of thing.
 
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up to you man, but when i drive to work every morning, i see alot (and i mean heaps) of GTI's.......they are a very popular car.......and for that reason i will probably stick with an XR4 or XR5 as there are less sold.....but the GTI does have great looks
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up to you man, but when i drive to work every morning, i see alot (and i mean heaps) of GTI's.......they are a very popular car.......and for that reason i will probably stick with an XR4 or XR5 as there are less sold.....but the GTI does have great looks
So true.

I like being different...


Damo,

Just met with a really good looking female client of mine - She drives a Fiesta LX and LOVED my car. Hell, she said she loves the Fiesta so much, and can't understand why it is so cheap!

She also said, if you can upgrade - then why not do it?!

XR4 is a better Hot Hatch package in my opinion. Polo GTI may have more features, but it's not really that fun. Sure, great for around town - but then, are you buying a Hot Hatch to be comfortable, or to be fun?

GO FOR IT!
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Sure, great for around town - but then, are you buying a Hot Hatch to be comfortable, or to be fun? GO FOR IT!
More after fun and giggles than comfort... I can live with the XR4 interior but not the Polo Gti exterior.

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My decison is made up. XR4 all the way. Going to a few dealerships on the weekend to investigate trade in and stuff, potential price etc.. and book in test drive.

I agree the Polo is an awesome bang for buck package, (saw about 5 yesterday on lancove road) but the XR4 will be more exclusive and seriously is sexy looking plus i cant stop thinking about it. Ive waited 2 years for it, aint gonna back down.
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Nice, good to see everyone moving up a notch in the hot hatch world. You've made the right descision Damo.
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Morning everyone,

Hope you are all looking foward to a few well earnt days off work.
Take care out on the roads, double demerits etc.

With car choice, you will get a slightly biased opinion being on a ford forum.

But as some have validly raised, it is a personal choice.

When i bought my car i honestly would not have bought the XR4 if it had already been released.
I wanted something different to what i had been driving. I was over the girls car comments and a few other things with the fiesta.

I have always loved VW's. My GTI looks grown up and classy. I didnt want something which looked boy racer or try hardish. In my honest opinion i feel that is the category in which the XR4 lies.

I was slightly over sluggish NA cars, even the 182 was sluggish down low. Fair enough the point has been raised that at low rpm it has more torque than the fiesta. BUT it felt sluggish untill about 4 grand.

Everyones driving style is incredibly different. Mine basically is just going A to B in the city to and from work. Sometimes in heavy traffic. Then on occasion a few traffic light GP's and then home via a few twisty bits.

For me the VW is perfect, It's effortless to drive, smooth, quiet, comfortable, extremely torquey with very fast acceleration, handles very well but like everycar, you have to know how to drive it to get the best out of it.

Damo, i hope you make the right choice, which for me meant the GTI
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I wanted something different to what i had been driving. I was over the girls car comments and a few other things with the fiesta.
Oh look, a Polo! Does it come in a Men's?
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ohh look a polo :P at least it wont fall apart :P
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ohh look a polo :P at least it wont fall apart :P
That joke didn't quite work. Sorry dude.

Plus, it's been fine for a while now!

Torque is more than ample for me. I almost certainly remember EVERYONE saying the Fiesta had ample torque. So, to think the Clio delivers it @ 2,000rpm, not 4,000 should be more than adequate. Plus, you must be the first person to ever be in a 182 and call it 'sluggish'. I was all for a car with low down torque, but yet high end power. Still, achieves great bang for bucks with a 0-100km/h that most cars of $30,000 only dream of.

I dunno how you can say you drive the Polo during the week. Tell them what you REALLY drive _2:
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ohh look a polo :P at least it wont fall apart :P
What is this - a childcare centre?

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I was slightly over sluggish NA cars, even the 182 was sluggish down low.
Well, the NRMA would tend to disagree:
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What this means is that you don't need to be swapping ratios constantly and more time can be spent in the higher gears, thus saving fuel and providing more relaxed driving.

However, drivers who want to stir the Renault sportalong will be rewarded with acceleration that's on a par with the recently released Mini Cooper S and better than larger engined coupes such as the V6 Hyundai Tiburon.

Acceleration - Test results
50 - 80km/h 4.2 sec (in 3rd)
60 - 100km/h 5.3 sec (in 3rd)
0 - 80km/h 5.8 sec
0 - 100km/h 8.3
It's a pity they don't have any acceleration figures for their Polo GTi test, but suffice to say ALL of those figures are quicker than the Golf GTi....
http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xch...car_review.htm
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Yes, they stand out. But if you're young why not have a car like that?
And that's just it - To me the XR4 stands out. It looks great, very european and UN ricer. If you wanted ricer, you'd get a Colt Ralliart.

Funny you should mention 'ricer'. When I leave my night classes at uni, all I see in Haymarket are Polo GTIs!
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It's a pity they don't have any acceleration figures for their Polo GTi test, but suffice to say ALL of those figures are quicker than the Golf GTi....
http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xch...car_review.htm
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Thats for the previous GTI golf, which was overweight and had a lower tuned version of the motor in the GTI polo.

yes the old golf was slow your point being?
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Thats for the previous GTI golf, which was overweight and had a lower tuned version of the motor in the GTI polo.

yes the old golf was slow your point being?
you must have missed my point- it was in the first line of what I wrote.
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I notice from the above pic posted by "murcod" that the seats still have the "ST" logo on them?
I presume this is going to be changed before the car is actually released here as the "XR4"?...........was this car a rather thrown together quickly effort that was on display at the show or something?

It does look very nice though in white imho, love that front bumper and all the colour coding too, very smart, as of course does the VW Polo GTI in white, very nice with the subtle red colour coding touches, dont think you could go wrong with either car, both have their pluses and minuses.

For the record, I would have to agree with Mitch on this one in regards to his choice of driving the Pulsar to and from work.

He has obviously had a bad experience with some slag keying his new car after all that time of having to save for so long to buy the GTI, near on 30k is a lot of money in anyones language.

It all depends on each individuals circumstances, he says that the car gets driven to work and then spends the rest of the day out in the sun and the elements and obviously open to anyone who wishes to damage it, there's a lot of nasty jealous idiots out there.

In his particular circumstance I would think it perfectly reasonable that he leaves the new VW at home to enjoy on weekends etc and just uses the old Pulsar to get to and from work, as he said it just sits outside all day, he doesn't have to worry about it getting damaged, broken into or even stolen for that matter.

I on the other hand am fortunate enough to be able to drive my Fiesta to and from work each day as once I arrive there the car is locked away in security undercover parking, not open to the elements or idiots with keys.

Do what you think is in the best interest for your circumstances Mitch, it doesn't matter what you do in this life, only one thing is absolutely guaranteed..........."there is always, and I mean always, going to be someone there to try and knock ya down."
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