Today Tonight Story - Old Cars Worthless? - Page 2

clampy · 10-01-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Funny that, my gf's 1984 323 runs fine on the factory head and 91 RON ULP....

yeh coz i think cars imported from japan by the manufacturer around then are made to jap standards of the time(i.e., had to be ugly, tacky, uncomfortable, handle-like-a-pig-on-rollerskates, have dashboard-crack-after-a-few-aussie-summers, and also have hardened valve seats...)..

in other words, in aus it was 86 that manufacturers had to convert to ULP.. but in other countrys, it was probably earlier..

Psycho Chicken · 10-01-2005, 10:05 PM

Yes but the way they said it ALL cars made before 1986 could only run on leaded fuel.

klawsterfobik · 10-01-2005, 10:12 PM

They also said that you would need to get a converter...

Dodge · 10-01-2005, 10:24 PM

whats wrong with gettn the head done up, most old cars are over due for a valve job anyway, bunch of flossies out there ..... as for the mechanis who wasnt sure if his chevy would run LOL wheres he been for the last 15 years. I run my cooper s on ULP and never touched the head or added additives its fine and im sure in a few 1000 or so KLMs i will need new guides , seats ect but i would have needed them anyway on leaded .

Casper · 10-01-2005, 10:45 PM

Well, I was at Mobil today reading the info at the pumps. After reading it I figured the work experiance kid must have been in charge of editing it. Went inside, grabbed a leaflet and yep, sure enough, work experiance kid has been there too. Good one Mobil, how many $000's of dollars did you spend to make yourself look stupid??

WTF is "pinking"....

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PINGING YOU IDIOTS, PINGING

Psycho Chicken · 10-01-2005, 10:51 PM

Casper, have you ever pulled apart a pre-1986 head that's been running on ULP? The valves are all pink, honest!

Casper · 10-01-2005, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Casper, have you ever pulled apart a pre-1986 head that's been running on ULP? The valves are all pink, honest!

is that before or after they detonate?

Sourbastard · 10-01-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

WTF is "pinking"....

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Komrade, wonderful words for Mobil written by heroic soviet speech writer da? We fix tractor, he point at glorious icon of soviet engineering and say. "Do you hear ze pinking?!"

Your joke is jibe at triumphant mother russian engineering da?

RED_EL_XR8 · 10-01-2005, 11:03 PM

I have seen the term "Pinking" in some dubious and somewhat ancient british motor manuals. You know the ones where even the head studs are witworth. But hey Poms dont know wings from mudgaurds.

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Casper · 10-01-2005, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

I have seen the term "Pinking" in some dubious and somewhat ancient british motor manuals. You know the ones where even the head studs are witworth. But hey Poms dont know wings from mudgaurds.

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Obviously they are referring to the leftover Morris, Hillman and {shudder} P76's still cruising the streets.

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Auslandau · 11-01-2005, 12:13 AM

[QUOTE=klawsterfobik]Whats wrong with that? It would keep the d!ckhead idiots that cant drive off our roads.

.....dont think the price of an exam would stop dicks on the roads??? I am sure there are quite afew d!ckheads that could afford $1000.00 for thier license....I have seen em in WRX's etc with 'P' plates wrapped around trees! :gren:

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RED_EL_XR8 · 11-01-2005, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Obviously they are referring to the leftover Morris, Hillman and {shudder} P76's still cruising the streets.

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I dont't think cruise was ever an appropriate term for travel in such things.

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Casper · 11-01-2005, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

I dont't think cruise was ever an appropriate term for travel in such things.

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This better:

Obviously they are referring to the leftover Morris, Hillman and {cruise} P76's still shuddering the streets.

XR6turbo · 11-01-2005, 12:43 AM

I work at a BP service station, which has no LRP, and honestly apart from people who know nothing about cars, most people will just run on the premium unleaded and most of the time prefer it to the LRP. Yes it will eventually screw your valves, but because premium is of around the same octane as the old leaded petrol u generally won't have a problem. I do advise u don't run it on normal Unleaded because of the poor quality that fuel is in Australia, but if u must, run it with the additive. I ran a 1984 gemini that was leaded and i ran it for 2 years off premium unleaded, and never once had a problem with any of the valves. ALSO, if u run a 70's - 80's Mercedes Benz or BMW, you can actually go straight to unleaded without any additives, as they have higher quality parts than the Australian cars, although we still advise that u run premium as thats what those European cars were made to run off.
The best premium unleadeds that are around are from Mobil and BP. Shell's quality of fuel has gone out the window, and u will find the best Performance will come out of your car if you put either synergy 8000 or BP Ultimate in your vehicle. This is just a bit of information for everyday motorists.
Btw, If you don't believe me about shell, conduct your own tests, and i think u will find that the famous OPTIMAX that everyone claims is good, ain't so flash.

cheers,
steve

BTTB · 11-01-2005, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

WTF is "pinking"....

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PINGING YOU IDIOTS, PINGING

: that is so funny!

All of you with OLD cars can have Stellite valve seats
fitted when you next have your head/s reco'ed... Save shoving
valve seat lube in every tank or so ...

BTTB · 11-01-2005, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6turbo

The best premium unleadeds that are around are from Mobil and BP. Shell's quality of fuel has gone out the window, and u will find the best Performance will come out of your car if you put either synergy 8000 or BP Ultimate in your vehicle.

I concur... Shell Optimax is shit... Go the Ultimate

I run my 71model Honda 350cc Twin on BP or Mobil...
Shell just doesnt cut it.

pauljh74 · 11-01-2005, 01:45 AM

By some of the posts here, it is clear that compulsory roadworthys aren't the godsend they claim to be. Some of you have stated how their mates in the trade or some dodgy mechanic has passed an unroadworthy vehicle.

For the vast majority of drivers who maintain their car satisfactorily or the pick of the bunch who meticulously maintain their car to the point where it drives better than it did off the showroom floor - compulsory roadworthys will be an unnecessary hassle - the system also makes it possible for dodgy mechanics to make extra $$$ from less knowledgable motorists via unneccessary work under the guise of roadworthiness. In the meantime, the people who have been deliberately neglecting car maintenance will find a way to cheat the system. In the end we have little difference in the number of unroadworthy vehicles and the responsible majority get shafted - again!

The VACC has been pushing for the annual roadworthy system to be implemented in Victoria for some time because it will make their members more money. The RACV has opposed it because they are more interested in doing the right thing by motorists. Provided random checks continue to be performed by police, they see no need for the compulsory annual checks.

RED_EL_XR8 · 11-01-2005, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pauljh74

By some of the posts here, it is clear that compulsory roadworthys aren't the godsend they claim to be. Some of you have stated how their mates in the trade or some dodgy mechanic has passed an unroadworthy vehicle.

For the vast majority of drivers who maintain their car satisfactorily or the pick of the bunch who meticulously maintain their car to the point where it drives better than it did off the showroom floor - compulsory roadworthys will be an unnecessary hassle - the system also makes it possible for dodgy mechanics to make extra $$$ from less knowledgable motorists via unneccessary work under the guise of roadworthiness. In the meantime, the people who have been deliberately neglecting car maintenance will find a way to cheat the system. In the end we have little difference in the number of unroadworthy vehicles and the responsible majority get shafted - again!

The VACC has been pushing for the annual roadworthy system to be implemented in Victoria for some time because it will make their members more money. The RACV has opposed it because they are more interested in doing the right thing by motorists. Provided random checks continue to be performed by police, they see no need for the compulsory annual checks.

Have to disagree with you on this one!
The annual inspections are a good thing, particularly when state Govt cost rationalisation has almost removed police patrols in favour of $$ making speed cameras. Bald Tyre cam has not been perfected.
Sure some can scam a pink slip (NSW roadworthy) but most aren't that well connected and the loss of income and possible fines and suspensions for approved workshops sees that Ma & Pa public wont get pinkies for unsighted vehicles and have to keep their buggies relatively safe.
Its real function is to stop the rusted out shells and bald tyres. And that task annual testing does well.
Sure there is some nonsense involved, but no more than the crap that almost mandates a new windscreen in every 2nd hand Vic car sold. (Scam)
The biggest swindle in NSW is the greenslip insurance system that sees our total registration allmost double that of Victoria, its paying for all those whiplash scams.
Pink slips aren't that expensive, dont need to be done by the RTA, and ensure that almost all NSW vehicles are looked at, at least once a year by a qualified mechanic.

BTTB · 11-01-2005, 02:13 AM

Having lived in NSW and VIC... there are a LOT more
dodgey vehicles on the road down here... its scary!

460cixy · 11-01-2005, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Well, I was at Mobil today reading the info at the pumps. After reading it I figured the work experiance kid must have been in charge of editing it. Went inside, grabbed a leaflet and yep, sure enough, work experiance kid has been there too. Good one Mobil, how many $000's of dollars did you spend to make yourself look stupid??

WTF is "pinking"....

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PINGING YOU IDIOTS, PINGING

yup it sure is pinging to the un educated. before takeing the **** on the work experiance kid. who ever wrote that clearly has more smarts than your self or who ever agreed with your coments. pinking/pinging are the same thing. only it seems typical that we go for the sepo term of pinging. if you use a glass spark plug device when an engine pinks you can clearly see the pink flame and the pinging noise. now the euros and poms worked this out far before the sepos had even built an engine. far as im concernd its pinking not pinging . if you would like a copy if this from my text books it can be aranged. you can also say im a dick head with no idea . but i have been a mechanic 9 years now and have seen it all. ya wanna take the **** and look smart. then research it first

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tickford2001 · 11-01-2005, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by EFGTHO

I concur... Shell Optimax is shit... Go the Ultimate

I run my 71model Honda 350cc Twin on BP or Mobil...
Shell just doesnt cut it.

yep you seem to notice it a hell of a lot more on the bikes, mine runs crap on the optimax, yet BP or mobil are fine

so i try to work by the same rules for the car...

JADED6 · 11-01-2005, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Well, I was at Mobil today reading the info at the pumps. After reading it I figured the work experiance kid must have been in charge of editing it. Went inside, grabbed a leaflet and yep, sure enough, work experiance kid has been there too. Good one Mobil, how many $000's of dollars did you spend to make yourself look stupid??

I was the work experience kid who wrote that...
So, here goes...

It’s experience not experiance.

Just taking the ****. Typos are bloody everywhere.
In your defence, I (and many others it seems) have never heard of "pinking"
Read enough threads on pinging and never heard "pinking" there either.

LTDHO · 11-01-2005, 08:27 AM

Sorry Casper. It is called pinking!

Although everyone I know says Pinging. :-/

LPG shops will be loving this! I reckon alot of people will get LPG now.

rag top · 11-01-2005, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Funny that, my gf's 1984 323 runs fine on the factory head and 91 RON ULP....

Even the mazda web site agrees with you.

RED_EL_XR8 · 11-01-2005, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 460cixy

yup it sure is pinging to the un educated. before takeing the **** on the work experiance kid. who ever wrote that clearly has more smarts than your self or who ever agreed with your coments. pinking/pinging are the same thing. only it seems typical that we go for the sepo term of pinging. if you use a glass spark plug device when an engine pinks you can clearly see the pink flame and the pinging noise. now the euros and poms worked this out far before the sepos had even built an engine. far as im concernd its pinking not pinging . if you would like a copy if this from my text books it can be aranged. you can also say im a dick head with no idea . but i have been a mechanic 9 years now and have seen it all. ya wanna take the **** and look smart. then research it first

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I was given one of those pommy see-thru spark plug jobbie kits years ago, and like most things british and automotive, it was about as handy a tune-up aid as a chocolate dipstick. The compression of a 12 year old 186 red motor was enough to blow out the see thru window. And it was thus dispatched to Menai (Sydney Tipyard) where it so rightly belonged.
But I think you correct the brits/euros definately are the experts when it comes to pinking/pinging, they have so much more to work with.

loxxr6 · 11-01-2005, 10:32 AM

Pink slips aren't that expensive, dont need to be done by the RTA, and ensure that allmost all NSW vehicles are looked at, at least once a year by a qualified mechanic.

Exactly. At about $33 for a pink slip its not that bad. Green Slips (personal injury cover) are usually more than our rego costs eg $330-$700+ depending on what car you drive and how old you are. Its a rort.

Dodge · 11-01-2005, 11:18 AM

my head his a pinking and im fair dinkin it got to do with ur fuel
give me some drinkin and i will be sinking a few of them cold ones with bill

460cixy · 11-01-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodge

my head his a pinking and im fair dinkin it got to do with ur fuel
give me some drinkin and i will be sinking a few of them cold ones with bill

hahahaha my head was pinking too when i wrote that now looking back it seems a bit harsh not ofence intended.

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Dodge · 11-01-2005, 11:32 AM

show us ur pinking bits LOL new saying for the Nats LOL

Casper · 11-01-2005, 12:02 PM

All I can say is the the term "pinking", while possibly correct, is the most obscure and unheard of load of pommy garbage I've ever heard of.
We are not the US, we are not the UK, we are Australia.

Now, lets do a spot survey at a servo....ask 50 people have you ever heard of engines pinging....then ask if they have heard of pinking? Lets see how many have even heard of pinking.

Yes, pinking may be correct but its pointless to put it on customer brochures...less than 0.0001% of people (just those with obscure british merchanics manuals it seems) have ever heard of it.

May as well have written it in polish if thats the case.