Will the Holden brand survive?

[davenl5l]

I think holden are doomed,my stepson works as a mechanic at one of the few remaining dealerships in Sadelaide and all they seem to do is warrantee work on Craptiva's and Cruze (major work ,engines and trans out stuff) hardly a new Crapadore in sight

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Buying a EcoBoost Mustang would be like having sex with your sister - it may feel OK but it is just plain wrong.

Tuned Ecoboosts can be quite fast.
Sure it will never have the rumble of the GT.... But why is it no one ever complains about the lack of rumble when buying a Porsche 911 ?
Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h, 4.1 s. Top speed, 308 km/h, 306 km/h.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Tuned Ecoboosts can be quite fast.
Sure it will never have the rumble of the GT.... But why is it no one ever complains about the lack of rumble when buying a Porsche 911 ?
Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h, 4.1 s. Top speed, 308 km/h, 306 km/h.

I have heard some mighty fine na 911's.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by solarite_guy

They tried it again about 10 years ago.

All that FWD nonsense was quickly forgotten as soon as Ford got wind (2007) that Chevrolet
was bringing back a 5th Gen Zeta Camaro for 2010.


S197 arrived in 2005 and went all the way through to 2014, the last few years were painful
against Zeta Camaro but well worth it for the S550 Mustang.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Tuned Ecoboosts can be quite fast.
Sure it will never have the rumble of the GT.... But why is it no one ever complains about the lack of rumble when buying a Porsche 911 ?
Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h, 4.1 s. Top speed, 308 km/h, 306 km/h.

The 2.3 EBs have a big issue with cracking blocks when you turn up the boost,
it's round the back on the Exhaust side of the block, the lower head bolt cavities can and do crack through....LINK

Also, Why EcoBoost Mustang/Focus RS Head Gaskets Fail When Making High Horsepower
Spoiler: It's all to do with exhaust reversion with smaller than optimal exhaust turbine housing.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The 2.3 EBs have a big issue with cracking blocks when you turn up the boost,
it's round the back on the Exhaust side of the block, the lower head bolt cavities can and do crack through....LINK

Also, Why EcoBoost Mustang/Focus RS Head Gaskets Fail When Making High Horsepower
Spoiler: It's all to do with exhaust reversion with smaller than optimal exhaust turbine housing.

Thought that was a Focus only issue that's been resolved now.
http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/1...een-discovered

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Thought that was a Focus only issue that's been resolved now.
http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/1...een-discovered

Different issue, wrong US style head gaskets fitted to Euro RS engines.
Even with right gaskets, you can still crack blocks and lift head gaskets
when raising the boost too high with standard Exhaust housing.
Change the housing for a bigger one and the problem disappears...

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The 2.3 EBs have a big issue with cracking blocks when you turn up the boost,
it's round the back on the Exhaust side of the block, the lower head bolt cavities can and do crack through....LINK

Also, Why EcoBoost Mustang/Focus RS Head Gaskets Fail When Making High Horsepower
Spoiler: It's all to do with exhaust reversion with smaller than optimal exhaust turbine housing.

The RS and mustang are not the same engine.

They were originally, until Ford continually blew them up during testing(RS). It was so bad it put the program in jeopardy.
Ford went to cosworth for help.

[Nikked]

...i find it funny that after 50 years (ie, its whole life) of the mustang being available in non-V8 configurations...people still whinge/snicker about the non-v8 options.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Nikked

...i find it funny that after 50 years (ie, its whole life) of the mustang being available in non-V8 configurations...people still whinge/snicker about the non-v8 options.

Didn't it start as a straight 6 only?

[jpd80]

No, there was always a V8 version along with I-6, then V6 and there was a 2.3 turbo years ago (SVT?)
the lower versions are the affordable vehicles that add volume.

In the US, around 60% are Ecoboost.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

The RS and mustang are not the same engine.

They were originally, until Ford continually blew them up during testing(RS). It was so bad it put the program in jeopardy.
Ford went to cosworth for help.

I know and Cosworth changed head and block just enough to necessitate a different head gasket,
the bigger exhaust housing was put on the turbo to reduce back pressure at higher boost I mentioned earlier.
Both engines still have similar issues when you start upping the boost, the gaskets fail in similar position
on cylinders 2 and 3.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by jpd80

No, there was always a V8 version along with I-6, then V6 and there was a 2.3 turbo years ago (SVT?)
the lower versions are the affordable vehicles that add volume.

In the US, around 60% are Ecoboost.

There were 4cyl stangs between 1974-94 (in fact, 1974 mustang had no V8 option...and remains one if the best sellers)

[Sioso]

Originally Posted by Nikked

There were 4cyl stangs between 1974-94 (in fact, 1974 mustang had no V8 option...and remains one if the best sellers)

More proof that the human race is doomed.............

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Nikked

...i find it funny that after 50 years (ie, its whole life) of the mustang being available in non-V8 configurations...people still whinge/snicker about the non-v8 options.

It is a bit odd. But with it only ever selling here a couple of times in the past a lot of australians probably believe it was only ever a v8. I’m sure the yanks don’t have the same thoughts cause its always been available with either a 4, 6 or 8.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Nikked

There were 4cyl stangs between 1974-94 (in fact, 1974 mustang had no V8 option...and remains one if the best sellers)

It was designed to have one (in Mexico) but the reason it wasn't offered in the US was the OPEC oil shock.
In '73 the OPEC producers placed an embargo on oil exports. The shortage that followed resulted in basically,
tripling the price of oil "virtually overnight" and caught the American completely off guard.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Nikked

There were 4cyl stangs between 1974-94 (in fact, 1974 mustang had no V8 option...and remains one if the best sellers)

haha yes shared its platform with the Pinto

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpd80

No, there was always a V8 version along with I-6, then V6 and there was a 2.3 turbo years ago (SVT?)
the lower versions are the affordable vehicles that add volume.

In the US, around 60% are Ecoboost.

Maybe I had that wrong. I read the 289ci wasn't until the 65 mustang

here's something else I didn't know, the prototype 1962 Mustang was a 4 cylinder..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyrZ30DXFEA

[SSVPom]

The original 1964.5 Mustang had a 260V8 as the baby 8 whacker on offer.

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

Was in a Holden dealer this arvo for yet more warranty work on my Cruze, had a chat to the manager. The place was crickets and tumbleweeds.

Bought a barina today for a family member. Started at my regular dealer above, but wanted another trade in appraisal to see if his deal was good. Went to another dealer in Holden “heartland”, old dated showroom, waited 30mins for their appraiser, nowhere to sit apart from the sales persons desks, asked for the keys back so I could leave, guy miraculously turns up at that moment.
Asked the sales manager about the $15990 DA special on barina as advertised. “Oh, that is for ‘17 build, we can’t get any”
“But you’re advertising them”
“No, only got ‘18s, they are over $17k”
Fair dinkum, they simply CBF, even their eventual appraisal amount was rubbish.

[DRU842]

Thanks for the last post on topic. I was afraid the non-V8 Mustang talk had taken taken over the thread on the demise of Holden.....

[Vesper Martini]

To be fair, its far more interesting than discussing the ZB

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

To be fair, its far more interesting than discussing the ZB

Where is the latest Falcon again?

[arronm]

Here it is.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/11830/2...n-first-steer/

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by Nikked

...i find it funny that after 50 years (ie, its whole life) of the mustang being available in non-V8 configurations...people still whinge/snicker about the non-v8 options.

Because it’s a sports coupe. Only the ‘sports’ engine is respected, and the smaller engine options are made available for the hairdressers.

Probably similar to how the Toyota 86 and Mazda MX5 are viewed by performance enthusiasts. Both well balanced, well handling cars but lose respect points due to straight line performance.

[lra]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

Bought a barina today for a family member. Started at my regular dealer above, but wanted another trade in appraisal to see if his deal was good. Went to another dealer in Holden “heartland”, old dated showroom, waited 30mins for their appraiser, nowhere to sit apart from the sales persons desks, asked for the keys back so I could leave, guy miraculously turns up at that moment.

You are lucky to be able to speak to a salesperson.
I had half an hour of nothing to do yesterday, so I went to the local Holden dealer to look at an Opeldore. The last time was about two years ago to buy a Trax, which I decided not to buy.
The front yard is usually full of all models and sizes, but it was full of about 20 ‘dores, all locked, so I could only wander around, no sit and play.
I was the only looker, and no salesperson approached me. I went inside and the only person there was a receptionist on phone duties who ignored me as she was busy doing phone duties. No-one else in sight, my curiosity somewhat deflated, I left.
A big turnaround from when a prospective buyer would be inundated.
Had they all been sacked, or resigned, or attending a staff conference on how to drum up sales, or asleep in a back office due to boredom. Strange.
It was only two weeks ago a family member bought a Toyota Corolla. Holden were not even considered.,

[solarite_guy]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Tried what again?

Check the post directly above mine.

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

Bought a barina today for a family member. Started at my regular dealer above, but wanted another trade in appraisal to see if his deal was good. Went to another dealer in Holden “heartland”, old dated showroom, waited 30mins for their appraiser, nowhere to sit apart from the sales persons desks, asked for the keys back so I could leave, guy miraculously turns up at that moment.
Asked the sales manager about the $15990 DA special on barina as advertised. “Oh, that is for ‘17 build, we can’t get any”
“But you’re advertising them”
“No, only got ‘18s, they are over $17k”
Fair dinkum, they simply CBF, even their eventual appraisal amount was rubbish.

Picked the car up today, whole experience was great. I feel sorry for all the dealer staff, they are keeping their heads held high despite all the crap going on.
All I can say on any Holden-HAGGLE HARD, I did better than the advertised as it was a demo,5 yr warranty, not the best car in class, but for the elderly female it was intended for, fit for purpose.

[MITCHAY]

I still have not seen one ZB. What a ****en fail this car has been. Of course most called it out to begin with

[marty351]

For those that have forgotten, or just don't know, this is a ZB Commodore...