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Old 03-03-2017, 04:55 PM   #1
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Default Shockworks 6 pot alloy calliper upgrade

Finally after so long we have nearly finished testing of our new 6 pot calliper. We had contracted Delphi to design and manufacturer this monster and has been on track in testing for the past three months.
We will be ready to release this package for sale in coming weeks.
Next is the 4 pot rear upgrade to match the front.

Too much fun at Sandown and the Island on these brakes.
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Old 03-03-2017, 04:56 PM   #2
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We now have our own Ford test car we purchased last week so now more delays making parts for the Ford haha:-)
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Old 03-03-2017, 05:05 PM   #3
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What size rotor are you using?
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Old 03-03-2017, 05:11 PM   #4
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What size rotor are you using?
Hey Zoomie,
The disc is our 355mm x 34mm radial vane disc mounted on alloy hats.
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Old 03-03-2017, 05:16 PM   #5
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How are the calipers for thickness comparative to the Brembo 6?

Same question for the rear 4 pot.
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Old 03-03-2017, 11:05 PM   #6
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Will the callipers fit in the stock position or would a bracket be required to mount these? Also, how long do you think it will be before they're ready for sale?
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Old 06-03-2017, 09:18 AM   #7
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How are the calipers for thickness comparative to the Brembo 6?

Same question for the rear 4 pot.
Just getting the plant to measure the difference and will let you know soon:-)

The 4 pot rear is being designed now so will have that info after we finish.

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Old 06-03-2017, 09:40 AM   #8
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Will the callipers fit in the stock position or would a bracket be required to mount these? Also, how long do you think it will be before they're ready for sale?
The calipers come complete with dogbone to suit the Ford knuckle so bolt on in the original position.
We expect to have ready for sale within 4 weeks:-)

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Old 06-03-2017, 12:00 PM   #9
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Default Re: Shockworks 6 pot alloy calliper upgrade

Is it too early to ask for more facts/features ?
If so say so.
Any difference to the current brembo and other 6 pot brands ? or same same ?
Pad types ?
Caliper colour (silver as pic) and branding ? will the caliper decal be Shockworks ? or you have some other name ?
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Old 06-03-2017, 05:18 PM   #10
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Looks a very impressive package. With the critical aspect of braking integrity, have you sorted out the cracking that occurred to the floating rotors at the stud jointure area.

Have you redesigned the floating stud so that it is not "open" on the front hat side causing forces to be transmitted through the stud resulting in cracking of the disc.

Comments on any design changes to the disc and hat stud joints since the failures involving members of this forum would be appreciated.

I am genuinely interested in a braking upgrade for my car, but I have to be confident that the calipers and rotors will not crumble at 220 kph...

Would be appreciated if you can provide some detailed engineering design info or photos to quell fears...
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Old 07-03-2017, 10:17 AM   #11
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Looks a very impressive package. With the critical aspect of braking integrity, have you sorted out the cracking that occurred to the floating rotors at the stud jointure area.

Have you redesigned the floating stud so that it is not "open" on the front hat side causing forces to be transmitted through the stud resulting in cracking of the disc.

Comments on any design changes to the disc and hat stud joints since the failures involving members of this forum would be appreciated.

I am genuinely interested in a braking upgrade for my car, but I have to be confident that the calipers and rotors will not crumble at 220 kph...

Would be appreciated if you can provide some detailed engineering design info or photos to quell fears...
At this stage we will not be offering the floating disc option with the 6 pot brake upgrade.
We have had two discs with the floating assembly show some small cracks which were using the Brembo caliper and unknown competition pads. Inspection showed uneven wear on inside of disc resulting in excess heat of the inner disc area. We are still using the floating disc on our test cars and many race cars with no issues at all from any other discs or vehicles.
Our test car with the 6 pot calipers and 355 floating disc has been on track for three months. At the Island we are achieving 270kph down the front straight and 252kph at Sandown and running 12-15 lap sessions with no brake fade or any other issues slowing the car at these speeds.
The floating assembly we supply is also used on the top level V8 racecars in Korea for the past 6 years with no cracking or stress related problems apart from normal wear.
We do not see the need to redesign any of the floating assembly as it has proven to be very robust and durable long term in many performance applications.
We test all designs on a brake dyno at the Delphi corporation including the floating disc as part of our engineering requirements.

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At this stage we will not be offering the floating disc option with the 6 pot brake upgrade.
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Our test car with the 6 pot calipers and 355 floating disc has been on track for three months. At the Island we are achieving 270kph down the front straight and 252kph at Sandown and running 12-15 lap sessions with no brake fade or any other issues slowing the car at these speeds.
The floating assembly we supply is also used on the top level V8 racecars in Korea for the past 6 years with no cracking or stress related problems apart from normal wear.
We test all designs on a brake dyno at the Delphi corporation including the floating disc as part of our engineering requirements.
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Thanks for the reply Brett.

The reason I am harping on here is that I am genuinely interested in braking upgrades from the 4 pot brembos, and that includes a bigger thicker 2 piece disc with cooling vanes.

Your package certainly appears to meet a lot of my "checklist" requirements, but I am obviously interested in the engineering being up to our local demands here.

In terms of testing, nothing beats on road testing in Australian conditions using our heavy vehicles. What has been done by the Koreans in Korea using their v8s in racecars (which would be lighter) etc is not apples with apples in terms of usage in Australia using our heavy supercharged v8s.

And using a brake dyno does not equal real life usage high speed on a track/spirited remote canyon run, and some guys here drive their Miamis hard-and they will be the ones looking at a proper brake system upgrade with big discs that are thicker than average 32mm, with proper cooling vanes, and big robust calipers.

I was involved in a matter where a Major Korean tyre manufacturer of B double steer tyre maintained that the tyre had been roller tested in their roller shed in Korea and met Australian parameters, and worldwide requirements. Only thing was in our conditions of heat, corners, and rough roads in Northern NSW and Southern Queensland the tyres delaminated.

The tyres met all the bench tests- real world delaminated ...and only...in NSW/QLD...not in the Middle East (straight roads etc), nor USA, nor Europe, or Canada, nor Southern America, nor Korea. This front steer tyre delaminated and resulted in a catastrophic failure of a front steer tyre causing head on collision of 2 B doubles in NSW, both drivers dead.

So, with that I remain a touch sceptical about bench testing, which still is useful as part of a picture, but look forward to the real world testing in Australia (and try to pick some hot days) of your brakes in our heavy Supercharged Falcons.

And I think you should be commended for doing this - our Falcons desperately need a package comprising a disc thicker than 32mm, with proper cooling vanes, and a big robust caliper system- for a competitive price.

So please do not take my comments as negative, but rather from someone who is genuinely interested in upgrading their FGX XR8 with your package.

Will they come in red paint/black paint, what logos, and again what are the pads - who will make them and what compounds?
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Old 07-03-2017, 06:25 PM   #13
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Default Re: Shockworks 6 pot alloy calliper upgrade

Brett nice work once again !!

Can you possibly post up a few more technical details;
piston areas (I gather they are staggered) ?
pad area ?
dust seals ?

Will they be for sale as a stand alone caliper set as I've got another application in mind ?
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Old 08-03-2017, 02:14 PM   #14
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Hey Asagaai,

The dyno test is one of 18 different tests conducted by Delphi for us. With the brake dyno we can simulate road load data from the track and simulate vehicle weight and speeds. Delphi is an OE manufacturer of brake calipers, so have done a great job in developing an OE level caliper and trust there experience during the test phase.
We have been testing for quite some time now and also on our Ford Falcon for heavy testing, mileage accumulation on 7 different vehicles.
The current calipers we have are black but also looking at silver as it shows the caliper a little better. We prefer not to sell them in red as they are not Brembo's so did not want to use the Brembo color.
The option of a logo is up to the customer. We designed the caliper to use a Brembo 6 pot shape pad for ease of availability. The pads supplied with the calipers are from Frixxa in Korea. The pads are a performance pad for street and club day use. We have been using the Frixxa pads since we started selling our brake upgrade with great results.
I hope this helps and look forward to talking with you one day:-)
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Old 08-03-2017, 02:19 PM   #15
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Brett nice work once again !!

Can you possibly post up a few more technical details;
piston areas (I gather they are staggered) ?
pad area ?
dust seals ?

Will they be for sale as a stand alone caliper set as I've got another application in mind ?
Hi QIKESP,

The pistons are staggered and use a Brembo shaped pad so customers can source many brands easily. The dust seals have been designed to meet normal OE requirements.
We can offer the calipers as stand alone a bit later but for now will be available in the kits we sell:-)

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