Anyone heard anything on the Falcon wagon yet? - Page 9

Joe5619 · 02-06-2010, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NeillNZ

So the wagon is to be no more. I was sad to hear it but had not thought much about it until last week when on holiday in Sydney. I was surprised to see that almost all the Taxis were Falcons and many of them wagons. I assumed they use wagons because of the large luggage space especially compared to a sedan with LPG. I wonder what those taxis will be replaced with?

I live in Sydney & spent my whle life in Sydney & I think to say "many of them wagons" is not right..

WOTDAH · 17-09-2010, 06:59 AM

Well today is the day. The last falcon wagon ever is being born.

Due to roll of the end of the production line mid next week (if all goes well)

ltd · 17-09-2010, 09:45 AM

Sad ending for a brilliant car.

Joe5619 · 17-09-2010, 09:45 AM

This week??? I thought they stopped production at the end of June??

Road_Warrior · 17-09-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WOTDAH

Well today is the day. The last falcon wagon ever is being born.

Due to roll of the end of the production line mid next week (if all goes well)

Are they going to shove a few 'special' items into it seeing as its the last one, or is it an ordered car?

TheInterceptor · 17-09-2010, 11:35 AM

Here's hoping they'll bring it back in the future.
Shame to end such a car, nothing else comes close, and probobly wont.

FNQracing · 18-09-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by XR

Good riddance I say.

The B series wagon is an absolutley horrid vehicle in my opinion, doesn't flow together at all. Look at how many Holden Commo wagons there are on our roads (pre VE) compared to Falcon wagons and you can't argue the point.

Now ofcourse this is a Ford Forum and I know i'm going to get crap for saying this which in a way is sad, but if the B series wagon was anything to go buy then people should've seen this coming a long time ago.

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Here here!

The Falcon wagon is a good work horses. Thats it. Private buyers want something with a bit of flare and style. Such a beast hasn't existed since the 60's IMHO.

Ford have neglected the wagon since AU with horrid styling and a suspension design by Cobb and Co. The current crop just want to make me puke.

As has been said - good riddance.

jpd80 · 18-09-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FFOracing

Here here!

The Falcon wagon is a good work horses. Thats it. Private buyers want something with a bit of flare and style. Such a beast hasn't existed since the 60's IMHO.

Ford have neglected the wagon since AU with horrid styling and a suspension design by Cobb and Co. The current crop just want to make me puke.

As has been said - good riddance.

Station wagon and Fairlane suffered and died so that Territory would get the funding to become reality and prosper,a conscientious decision on Ford's part to change market sectors and follow sales.

FNQracing · 18-09-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Station wagon and Fairlane suffered and died so that Territory would get the funding to become reality and prosper,a conscientious decision on Ford's part to change market sectors and follow sales.

I would'nt give Ford the credit (wink)

Falcon Wagon was neglected long before AU, its just that the neglect was so obvious when AU was released. By BA, it was a sad joke. In 2010 it was an outright embarrassment.

Fairlane neglect set in at the time of BA. Ford had spent all their money on styling and mechanical upgrades that there was no money left for the LWB models. This is a shame. The Fords were king of luxo barge at one time.

Territory? We'll they've dropped the ball on that one haven't they? Long overdue for a major styling update. Sales are on the slide. Correct me if I'm wrong but that POS Captiva is either outselling it, or getting close.

prydey · 18-09-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FFOracing

I would'nt give Ford the credit (wink)

Falcon Wagon was neglected long before AU, its just that the neglect was so obvious when AU was released. By BA, it was a sad joke. In 2010 it was an outright embarrassment.

Fairlane neglect set in at the time of BA. Ford had spent all their money on styling and mechanical upgrades that there was no money left for the LWB models. This is a shame. The Fords were king of luxo barge at one time.

Territory? We'll they've dropped the ball on that one haven't they? Long overdue for a major styling update. Sales are on the slide. Correct me if I'm wrong but that POS Captiva is either outselling it, or getting close.

i gather from your comments you place 'form' well ahead of 'function'!!

dannyhilton · 18-09-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

This week??? I thought they stopped production at the end of June??

The petrol models died then, but the LPG wagon was allowed to continue. It'll definitly be put to the scrapheap soon. Hopefully this will mean a much simpler production line, so Ford can produce more Falcon sedans.

FNQracing · 18-09-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

i gather from your comments you place 'form' well ahead of 'function'!!

LOL, if we all preferred function over form, why not just just use a donkey.

I like both. And so does most private buyers.

Utilitarian function does doesn't cut it on its own in todays market. Just take a look at Commodore Sportswagon. They look terrific, not as practical, but outsell the Falcon Wagon 100 to 1 on a rainy Sunday.

Falcon Wagon is a work horse favoured only by the Yellow TAXI co and Telstra.

(edit - and Telstra only started buying Falcons because Holden gave their wagon the ar$e).

Road_Warrior · 18-09-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

i gather from your comments you place 'form' well ahead of 'function'!!

You can read between the lines from his post and say that Ford has failed on the 'function' front as well. I mean, why would a family car buyer buy a Falcon wagon when there are next to no content options available for it? Sure in terms of its ability to lug cargo its a winner, but private car buyers are looking for more than that. Which is the reason why cars like the Captiva et al sell well.

Ford didnt have to do much to the BA/F wagon to make it look nice and sell a few to private buyers, and I'm not talking about silly turbo engine options either.

FNQracing · 18-09-2010, 11:29 AM

Point is, why spend $30k on a "new" Falcon Wagon when theres a dude up the road selling a EB Wagon for $800 (and he throws in a slab).

Its basically the same car. I can still fit in with the new car crowd now can't I? :-)

prydey · 18-09-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

You can read between the lines from his post and say that Ford has failed on the 'function' front as well. I mean, why would a family car buyer buy a Falcon wagon when there are next to no content options available for it? Sure in terms of its ability to lug cargo its a winner, but private car buyers are looking for more than that. Which is the reason why cars like the Captiva et al sell well.

sorry, up until recently i was a wagon owner (bf2). have had nearly every model since ef. i found them a great car. captiva's and territories don't have the luggage capacity. the commo barely has more room than a sedan. some of us just want a good honest car that can carry all the family, esp when holidaying.

i will admit though, i have never bought new.

wagons are bought by people who need them. end of. they are built to 'function'.

continually comparing ford to holden is rather amusing too. this is australia. anything with a holden badge will sell well. most will notice that when the sportwagon came on the scene, the overall commodore sales didn't really improve much, if at all. they simply stole sedan sales.

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Ford didnt have to do much to the BA/F wagon to make it look nice and sell a few to private buyers, and I'm not talking about silly turbo engine options either.

this continually gets mentioned on the forum too. once upon a time, ford made every variant (except xr8) in a wagon. you could get futura, fairmont, ghia, xr6, 6cyl, v8, you name it. guess what. they didn't sell. do you really think ford would keep discontinuing models if they were selling?

FNQracing · 18-09-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

i will admit though, i have never bought new.

Exactly! Thats why Ford is dumping the Wagon, neither is anyone else!

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Originally Posted by prydey

wagons are bought by people who need them. end of. they are built to 'function'.

Exactly! No one wants an old wagon!

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Originally Posted by prydey

continually comparing ford to holden is rather amusing too.

Whys is that? Model for model, line for line, they are direct competitors, AND they happen to be the only 2 producing a Station Wagon.

LOL

4Vman · 18-09-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FFOracing

Exactly! Thats why Ford is dumping the Wagon, neither is anyone else!

Exactly! No one wants an old wagon!

Whys is that? Model for model, line for line, they are direct competitors, AND they happen to be the only 2 producing a Station Wagon.

LOL

Correction....

Ford produced the only ligitimate wagon, based on the LWB floor pan, the Holden is a "Hatch" based on the sedan floor pan.... Its functionality as a true wagon is extremely limited.

Ford still produce wagons of sorts, the Territory and Mondeo.

The market has shifted to sedans with big boots or "hatches"... the "wagon" is dead.

prydey · 18-09-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FFOracing

Whys is that? Model for model, line for line, they are direct competitors, AND they happen to be the only 2 producing a Station Wagon.

LOL

the ve outsells fg by fair margin and yet you would be hard pressed to find a review that says its a better car. sales figures, esp ones with a holden badge, don't mean a whole lot. daewoo couldn't buy a sale, and yet the same car with a holden badge seems to run out the door.

the wagon argument has been done to death. not many people see it from ford's point of view. not many realise that the company's money tree has long died and they have to streamline the products. building 'special' cars because a handfull of forum members want to win the arguments down the pub just doesn't cut it anymore. wagon, lwb, v8 in all models, etc etc. its just not viable.

Chopped · 18-09-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Correction....

Ford produced the only ligitimate wagon, based on the LWB floor pan, the Holden is a "Hatch" based on the sedan floor pan.... Its functionality as a true wagon is extremely limited.

Ford still produce wagons of sorts, the Territory and Mondeo.

The market has shifted to sedans with big boots or "hatches"... the "wagon" is dead.

How is the Mondeo a "wagon of sorts" and the Commodore a "hatch" when they both share the the same wheelbase as the sedan ?!
(better tell those Euro brands that they are selling hatches too!!)

The FG shape would've made a great "hatch / wagon" IMO but I believe Ford couldn't justify the cost of building it, which is a shame.

RIP Aussie Ford Wagon you became old fashioned and died unloved.

vztrt · 18-09-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chopped

The FG shape would've made a great "hatch / wagon" IMO but I believe Ford couldn't justify the cost of building it, which is a shame.

They have terri, why build two models that will compete with each other. The Terri has been a much bigger success then the VE wagon/hatch has been.

Brazen · 18-09-2010, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

They have terri, why build two models that will compete with each other. The Terri has been a much bigger success then the VE wagon/hatch has been.

The Sportwagon has outsold the Territory every month since launch.

vztrt · 18-09-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

The Sportwagon has outsold the Territory every month since launch.

One have you got the proof ( I know it did well at the start). Two I wanna see how it goes after being out for 5 years with no update. Three it has never hot 2500-2700 units a months.

**Giant Cranium** · 18-09-2010, 06:42 PM

ffo racing i learnt 6 months ago that you do not sledge the wagon.
it has many fans that now cant get a car to suit there needs.

Chopped · 18-09-2010, 11:09 PM

Not bagging the wagon but is it a shame that they never updated it with the FG.
It may become one of those niche vehicles that is sought after in the second hand market.

(The Territory is different class of vehicle)

I'm curious which model people think was the best looking ?
(It always come down to your own taste but I reckon the XP)

atec77 · 18-09-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ZA-289

Yeah the BF wagon was never gonna sell with an **** end from 1998.

The Territory killed the Wagon. But who cares the Terry is way better than a falcon wagon.

The terry is heavy thirsty and not a patch on a the sports wagon , if Ford got it's shi*( together and produced a modern wagon instead of the lousy current offerings I would buy another Ford wagon for a daily instead of an x5
I am certain man y feel the same and buy the sports wagon

phillyc · 18-09-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by atec77

The terry is heavy thirsty and not a patch on a the sports wagon , if Ford got it's shi*( together and produced a modern wagon instead of the lousy current offerings I would buy another Ford wagon for a daily instead of an x5
I am certain man y feel the same and buy the sports wagon

Wheels compared the SY Territory to the then new GMH Sportwagon and the Territory was a fairly convincing winner.

WOTDAH · 28-09-2010, 10:52 PM

Tomorrow 29.09.10 at about 8am the last Falcon wagon ever rolls of the end of the production line. It was delayed due to production issues and the fact that the plant was shut down for 2 days last week and 1 day this week. It is a stocky white XT wagon and the lucky owner is Telstra (like 99% of all white falcon wagons)

Paxton · 29-09-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by WOTDAH

Tomorrow 29.09.10 at about 8am the last Falcon wagon ever rolls of the end of the production line. It was delayed due to production issues and the fact that the plant was shut down for 2 days last week and 1 day this week. It is a stocky white XT wagon and the lucky owner is Telstra (like 99% of all white falcon wagons)

Why was the plant shut down?

**Giant Cranium** · 29-09-2010, 09:40 PM

would have been nice if they made the last wagon a full bf 2 ghia.
send it out on a high

Dr Smith · 29-09-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

Why was the plant shut down?

Not sure if it's the case this time however if it's anticpated that enough line workers may request leave for say a religious celebration then a down day may be scheduled to avoid hiccups.