Cars you don't see many of anymore

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by kevino

Driving beep beep hee un day again?

Old man can't drive at the moment, so commanding the shitbox i30N for him, I hate that thing, Hyundai can't make 'sports' cars for shit, can't believe Ford left the market to those clowns

Its fast and the stereo is good, its not nice to drive though, the biggest killer is the shitty throttle response and how it picks and chooses how it wants to react to your throttle inputs, its pretty similar to how the VF Commodore throttle works, which is shit - ignores your throttle inputs or wants to think about things before it responds.

Behaves strangely, like sometimes it'll automatically pick up the r evs itself when you clutch in, other times it won't, other times it ignores your throttle inputs, other times it behaves normally, the way the throttle is mapped is retarded.

You've got to be really aware and do your throttle inputs before you'd normally do them at things like roundabouts to give the car time to process when I'm pressing the accelerator MEANS I WANT THE ****ING ACCELERATOR SO MORE REVOLUTIONS PLEASE.

Or when you get off/on/off the throttle with subtle inputs confuses it big time.

When ti first starts up it feels like it calibrates the bimodal exhaust to detect its open and closed positions so it'll open/close/open/close/open/close the exhaust as well which is about as annoying as you can imagine because the car goes BRRRRRrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Cruise control implementation is crap too compared to Ford, doesn't maintain speed really well.

Its just a combination of little things like this which make Hyundai's N vehicles a bit of a joke, 95% of the job has been done, the last 5% is the deal breaker.

I don't think its too hard to make the throttle response instant, it is in Ford's ST range, their cars respond instantly to the tiniest throttle inputs on the pedal.

[kevino]

The Ford cruise varies model to model
One Focus Lt or Lz used to hold the required speed down hill
One didn’t Lz I think
Puma runs over the cruise speed down hill then readjusts but by then you have a speed ticket always spot on flat roads

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Saw this FG FPV F6 sedan at Goonawarra Medical Centre yesterday in Sunbury:

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Looks stock as well, I really like the FG F6 with the 'racoon eyes' and in silver or white, such an understated vehicle thats a ****ing beast from the factory floor.

The RAV4 next to it makes the FG look tiny width wise, makes me laugh that 'Oh Australians don't want big cars anymore' - yeah thats a 'midsize' SUV next to it that makes the Falcon look like a kei car.

The owner of the chemist in that building has a Detomaso Pantera, I've got a photo of it somewhere.

Yes, but which one is a hit with the early 30's ladies? Seems they like width in more than a few ways?

[XR Martin]

F6 looks lowered to me.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Old man can't drive at the moment, so commanding the shitbox i30N for him, I hate that thing, Hyundai can't make 'sports' cars for shit, can't believe Ford left the market to those clowns

Its just a combination of little things like this which make Hyundai's N vehicles a bit of a joke, 95% of the job has been done, the last 5% is the deal breaker.

I don't think its too hard to make the throttle response instant, it is in Ford's ST range, their cars respond instantly to the tiniest throttle inputs on the pedal.

I think that 5% theory applied to the Stinger as well. Sure, they created a fast RWD sedan with distinctive styling, but the finer details dragged it down. As in average chassis dynamics, not enough rear tyre, non-switchable stability control, an engine that had no character, a gearbox that would not hold gears in manual mode and would downshift or upshift on its own.

And the thing is, Kia (and Hyundai) crowed on and on about having an ex-BMW M-car chief engineer on the payroll, which was repeatedly mentioned in each and every review or news piece about the car. But the car they delivered was nobbled with overzealous electronic nannies and a lame exhaust note. As much as anything, the Stinger was a marketing exercise with no substance, designed to convince non-car people that Kia made desirable cars.

As for the i30N, one of my detailing peers has the sedan version (Elantra N in the USA). At one point, the car would go into limp mode every time he washed the car, which have it back to the dealership to have the code cleared. Months and months later, its apparently fixed (something to do with moisture egress), but he's wary of washing the thing.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I think that 5% theory applied to the Stinger as well. Sure, they created a fast RWD sedan with distinctive styling, but the finer details dragged it down. As in average chassis dynamics, not enough rear tyre, non-switchable stability control, an engine that had no character, a gearbox that would not hold gears in manual mode and would downshift or upshift on its own.

And the thing is, Kia (and Hyundai) crowed on and on about having an ex-BMW M-car chief engineer on the payroll, which was repeatedly mentioned in each and every review or news piece about the car. But the car they delivered was nobbled with overzealous electronic nannies and a lame exhaust note. As much as anything, the Stinger was a marketing exercise with no substance, designed to convince non-car people that Kia made desirable cars.

As for the i30N, one of my detailing peers has the sedan version (Elantra N in the USA). At one point, the car would go into limp mode every time he washed the car, which have it back to the dealership to have the code cleared. Months and months later, its apparently fixed (something to do with moisture egress), but he's wary of washing the thing.

Spot on, couldn't have said it better myself,

Thats what the old man has - why they called it the 'i30N' here in Australia, when its on a different platform is ridiculous, why have two different cars, on different platforms, in the one market, called the same name? It should be called Elantra N here too. They're completely different cars from each other.

He would have gone for the smaller I20N, but none to test drive and they stopped taking orders, also went into a Ford dealership for a Focus ST cancelled order but got laughed out of there

[XR Martin]

Not really ever saw them in the first place, but saw one of the original Audi Quattros with its bonnet up on the side of the road this morning.
I suspect it was going to cars and coffee about 10 mins further down the road.

[Rallye Sport]

Saw a bit of Cosworth power out today,

Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth



Mercedes 190E 16V Cosworth on interstate plates

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

Saw a bit of Cosworth power out today,

Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth

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Mercedes 190E 16V Cosworth on interstate plates

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Love that shade of green!

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Love that shade of green!

Me too. Jag, Racing Bentley but not so on a Mercedes.

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Love that shade of green!

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Me too. Jag, Racing Bentley but not so on a Mercedes.

I really liked it too, the photo didn't do it justice.

Thought of you when I saw this one roKWiz...

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Me too. Jag, Racing Bentley but not so on a Mercedes.

It doesn't bother me, at least its not no-imagination white or black.............

[anobserver]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

......the biggest killer is the shitty throttle response and how it picks and chooses how it wants to react to your throttle inputs, its pretty similar to how the VF Commodore throttle works, which is shit - ignores your throttle inputs or wants to think about things before it responds.

Behaves strangely, like sometimes it'll automatically pick up the r evs itself when you clutch in, other times it won't, other times it ignores your throttle inputs, other times it behaves normally, the way the throttle is mapped is retarded.

You've got to be really aware and do your throttle inputs before you'd normally do them at things like roundabouts to give the car time to process when I'm pressing the accelerator MEANS I WANT THE ****ING ACCELERATOR SO MORE REVOLUTIONS PLEASE.

Or when you get off/on/off the throttle with subtle inputs confuses it big time.....

....I don't think its too hard to make the throttle response instant, it is in Ford's ST range, their cars respond instantly to the tiniest throttle inputs on the pedal.

Hey Franco,

200%....

We have an i30, it's a year old and the inconsistent throttle response is fair dinkum dangerous. Experienced it again today changing lanes and it could have gone very badly.

Does using sport mode make any difference?

Honestly, if it can't be addressed, I will be trading it much sooner than I really wanted to.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by anobserver

Hey Franco,

200%....

We have an i30, it's a year old and the inconsistent throttle response is fair dinkum dangerous. Experienced it again today changing lanes and it could have gone very badly.

Does using sport mode make any difference?

Honestly, if it can't be addressed, I will be trading it much sooner than I really wanted to.

Doesn't make any difference regardless if you have it in one of its 50,000 modes, feels like all that shit does is change the instrument cluster or make the exhaust louder

Desperately needs to be tuned I reckon, the first thing you'd do is **** off Hyundai's shitty tuning and make it respond to your throttle inputs without thinking about it.

Reminds me of the VF Commodore V6, at least the VF is consistent though, the irony is the throttle body on the VF can go from closed to wide open throttle in 40ms, which is faster than you can physically stomp the throttle pedal - they just program it like mongs.

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Doesn't make any difference regardless if you have it in one of its 50,000 modes, feels like all that shit does is change the instrument cluster or make the exhaust louder

Desperately needs to be tuned I reckon, the first thing you'd do is **** off Hyundai's shitty tuning and make it respond to your throttle inputs without thinking about it.

Reminds me of the VF Commodore V6, at least the VF is consistent though, the irony is the throttle body on the VF can go from closed to wide open throttle in 40ms, which is faster than you can physically stomp the throttle pedal - they just program it like mongs.

I bought the missus a brand new Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid. It's got a turbo, so has a bit of poke in it, but geez! the throttle lag from a standing start is very ordinary.
It's much like the Isuzu Dmax's at work, you have to plant your foot a second before you strategically enter a roundabout. I preload the accelerator while holding the brake to get a better launch.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Captain Stubing

I bought the missus a brand new Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid. It's got a turbo, so has a bit of poke in it, but geez! the throttle lag from a standing start is very ordinary.
It's much like the Isuzu Dmax's at work, you have to plant your foot a second before you strategically enter a roundabout. I preload the accelerator while holding the brake to get a better launch.

We do the same thing with our work PX Ranger with the mighty 2.2L engine, I think thats why its now on its 3rd gearbox in 150,000km

The i30N is ****ing chronic, driving that thing makes me want to drive it off a cliff its so aggravating to drive, combined with a manual box its such a pain in the ***

The weighting of the clutch isn't real good either, its super soft and uneven in its travel.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Captain Stubing

I bought the missus a brand new Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid. It's got a turbo, so has a bit of poke in it, but geez! the throttle lag from a standing start is very ordinary.
It's much like the Isuzu Dmax's at work, you have to plant your foot a second before you strategically enter a roundabout. I preload the accelerator while holding the brake to get a better launch.

You should try a 2.2 Ranger, truly terrible for throttle and turbo lag. I've gotten used to it and can drive around the lag, but how Ford signed off on that is beyond me.