WTB: BA RTV alloy wheels

[bazzaa]

G'day,

We currently have a bit of a mish-mash of steel wheels on a BA RTV Ute that we bought last year. It needs new tyres as well.

I'd like to solve this all by getting hold of a set of the factory RTV alloy wheels, if anyone has 4 or 5 they're willing to part with? Doesn't matter if the wheels come with or without tyres. (prefer without)

We're on the Gold Coast, can easily travel a few hours to grab a set though. By all means PM me if you can help!

[Blue Dog]

Is this them?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-BA-A...gAAOSwn7JYDWby

[bazzaa]

Does seem to be them. Nice find. Cheers.

Bit of a hike from home though! No chance to look before buying. I'll get in touch with the guy and see how he plans to attack postage.

Kinda weird how it says "Price $165", then further down in the description says "$235 per set"

[Blue Dog]

It's $165.00 for 4 brand new wheels plus $85.00 delivery.
I've bought wheels through these guys, they are actually Bayford in Melbourne.

[Raptor]

Buyer beware

Those alloys are available in two different offsets.

As regular 1-tonne load rated Falcon wheels, offset 36.5mm

and

As RTV Falcon specific 1-tonne load rated wheels, offset of 21.5mm

Make sure you know which ones you are buying

Cheers, Raptor


[EDIT: that eBay ad shows part no. 3R23-1007-RA, and offset 36.5

The RTV part no. is 3R23-1007-YA as per the spare hanging under the tub of mine.]



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[bazzaa]

Originally Posted by Raptor

[EDIT: that eBay ad shows part no. 3R23-1007-RA, and offset 36.5

The RTV part no. is 3R23-1007-YA as per the spare hanging under the tub of mine.]
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How do you know that the offset on these is 36.5? I can't see that mentioned?

Is there a list of wheel part numbers somewhere that I can refer to?

Educate me master!

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by bazzaa

How do you know that the offset on these is 36.5? I can't see that mentioned?

Is there a list of wheel part numbers somewhere that I can refer to?

Educate me master!

That ad has 7 photos. The last few are of the stampings behind the spokes. One has the part no. and the final image has the offset: 36.5P (P stands for positive)

I also remembered and referenced this thread from the RTV section; https://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11460628
Which is possibly referring to the same set of wheels btw

And then I checked the part no. on my spare, just to be sure

class dismissed




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[bazzaa]

Originally Posted by Raptor

That ad has 7 photos. The last few are of the stampings behind the spokes. One has the part no. and the final image has the offset: 36.5P (P stands for positive)
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Would you believe I missed the last photo? [/Maxwell Smart mode]

Well poo, I thought I'd had a win, I should have known better.

[Blue Dog]

The wheels on ebay are Ford part number BA 1007 R & from what I can determine were available on the BA Classic SVP & XT models.

RTV wheels are Ford part number BAC 1007 Y

The numbers 3R23-1007-RA & 3R23-1007-YA (RTV) are casting numbers & don't show up in the Ford Microcat system & as such are not part numbers.

However, as Raptor has proven, these numbers can be used to positively identify RTV wheels.

[GTLEGEND]

Originally Posted by Blue Dog

The wheels on ebay are Ford part number BA 1007 R & from what I can determine were available on the BA Classic SVP & XT models.

RTV wheels are Ford part number BAC 1007 Y

The numbers 3R23-1007-RA & 3R23-1007-YA (RTV) are casting numbers & don't show up in the Ford Microcat system & as such are not part numbers.

However, as Raptor has proven, these numbers can be used to positively identify RTV wheels.

The 3R23-1007-RA and YA are actually engineering numbers. They can be cross referenced in the Ford PANDA parts logistics system. As such, the RA part number cross references to BA 1007 R (Classic wheels and XT 5 Spoke), but the YA does not come up at all. I am guessing the YA should reference to the BAC 1007 Y part number which is the correct for RTV but unless the YA is a miss print, I cannot find the cross reference.

[bazzaa]

So long story short, I can only tell by looking at the inside of the wheel and I should only be looking for 3R23-1007-YA, correct?
(checking the offset to be 21.5P into the bargain)

While I have such knowledgeable types around, does anyone know what the RTV steel wheels should be stamped with? I have two rear that are different to the two fronts.

The rears are stamped 3R23-1007-KA/LA YF 16x6.50J 12 F4
The fronts are stamped 1R23-GA/HA 6.50Jx16 11 B4

[GTLEGEND]

Originally Posted by bazzaa

So long story short, I can only tell by looking at the inside of the wheel and I should only be looking for 3R23-1007-YA, correct?
(checking the offset to be 21.5P into the bargain)

While I have such knowledgeable types around, does anyone know what the RTV steel wheels should be stamped with? I have two rear that are different to the two fronts.

The rears are stamped 3R23-1007-KA/LA YF 16x6.50J 12 F4
The fronts are stamped 1R23-GA/HA 6.50Jx16 11 B4

Had a deeper look and found that the correct RTV wheel BAC-1007-Y has an engineering part number of 3R23-1007-YB, not YA. The YA does not come up in the system at all. So can somebody with an RTV confirm that is whats on the vehicle.

As for the 3R23-1007-KA it cross references with BA-1007-K which is listed as a spare wheel in black 16x6.5, the LA references to BA-1007-L which is a spare wheel in silver 16x6.5. The 1R23 numbers don't come up at all. they are not off RTV, but other BA/F spare wheels.

As for RTV it should have 16x7 Silver wheel only as a spare with part number BA2C 1007 X and engineering number 3R23-1007-XA.

Hope this is not clear as mud...

[bazzaa]

I am a little confused. There's a lot of spares listed there. So do I have two RTV spares on the back and two standard spares on the front?

What should be on the RTV then, in the way of steel wheels? The 3R23-1007-XA?

As for the alloys, Raptor said he had the YA wheels on his RTV.

[GTLEGEND]

Originally Posted by bazzaa

I am a little confused. There's a lot of spares listed there. So do I have two RTV spares on the back and two standard spares on the front?

What should be on the RTV then, in the way of steel wheels? The 3R23-1007-XA?

As for the alloys, Raptor said he had the YA wheels on his RTV.

The RTV never had steel wheels on the car just as a spare which is the 3R23-1007-XA silver wheel. What you have is a mixture of 2 black and two silver wheels off different non RTV vehicles from the BA/F range..

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by bazzaa

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As for the alloys, Raptor said he had the YA wheels on his RTV.

Well it was definitely a Y and it looked like an A after I wiped away the dirt as I read it upside down on my back under the ute with a torch. I suppose it could have been a B but I'm not about to go and check again just now

Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

The RTV never had steel wheels on the car just as a spare....

Hang on
I thought only the original BA2 RTVs had the alloys fitted and then from BF they all had silver steel wheels. I've read on here the steelies are offset 24 which is slightly different to the alloys but still very different from the regular Falcon 36.5, but cannot confirm as I've never had one of those in my possession.

bazzaa, your steel wheels should have the offset stamped on them somewhere. That should tell you whether they are proper RTV wheels or regular Falcon wheels.



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[bazzaa]

Originally Posted by Raptor

bazzaa, your steel wheels should have the offset stamped on them somewhere. That should tell you whether they are proper RTV wheels or regular Falcon wheels.

Put it on a hoist today, only stamp inside the steel wheels was
ROH 3559 11B4 9

Checked under the hubs just in case, nothing there.

[Blue Dog]

Originally Posted by bazzaa

Put it on a hoist today, only stamp inside the steel wheels was
ROH 3559 11B4 9

Checked under the hubs just in case, nothing there.

Measure the width of the rim.
If it is 6.5" wide it's a normal Falcon rim.
If it's 7.0" wide it's an RTV rim.

As far as the wheel Raptor found being expensive.

The list price of the alloy RTV rim was $430.30 each.
That's $1,721.20 for four, or $2,151.50 for five.
Get this, the RTV steel rim was listed at $427.36 each.
That's $1,709.44 for four, or $2,136.80 for five.
Plus tyres.
Note: The above prices are outdated, they could be cheaper now, if they are still available.

[bazzaa]

Originally Posted by Blue Dog

Measure the width of the rim.
If it is 6.5" wide it's a normal Falcon rim.
If it's 7.0" wide it's an RTV rim.

Mine are all stamped 6.5", so I think that solves that mystery
Didn't the rears come up as at least being 1 tonne wheels? So it's half legal.

Originally Posted by Blue Dog

Get this, the RTV steel rim was listed at $427.36 each.
That's $1,709.44 for four, or $2,136.80 for five.

Dear god...

Anyhow, I'll keep looking for the moment. I don't want to over-capitalise a 6 grand ute. Hopefully some alloys will turn up at a wreckers. Otherwise I may have to go new.

[Blue Dog]

Bazzaa - What's the VIN of the RTV?

[bazzaa]

I can't see an offset stamp on any of them. I may need to get it up on a jack or a hoist. Mate of mine runs his own workshop so that should be doable at some point. I assume it will be inside? (as I can't see it outside)

The VIN is 6FPAAAJGCM4D43301

[Blue Dog]

Bazzaa

Your RTV was built on the 20th July 2004.
It's Winter White in colour with Stone cloth trim.
Fitted with the 4.0L DOHC VTC EFI engine & a 4 speed Auto transmission.

It came from the factory fitted with alloy RTV wheels.
It also has cruise control.
The original registration appears to of been in Queensland going by the number plate.

There were silver 16 x 7J styled steel wheels available for the RTV's built from 01/05/2003.
Part number: BA2C 1007 X.

There is no mention of black steel wheels being available for the RTV.
All the black wheels seem to be 6.5 wide, not 7.0 as fitted to the RTV.

Alloy RTV wheels were from 01/07/2003 up to 30/09/2006.

[bazzaa]

Originally Posted by Blue Dog

It came from the factory fitted with alloy RTV wheels.

So somewhere along the line someone has kept them. It's only had two owners, the Beaudesert Shire Council and the guy I bought it from. I'm tipping it to be him because he's left us a few time bombs.

Originally Posted by Blue Dog

It also has cruise control.

Now that's odd, as I had to get Cruise Control fitted myself. I did that when I replaced the steering wheel it came with, as it was suffering from rot.

Originally Posted by Blue Dog

There were silver 16 x 7J styled steel wheels available for the RTV's built from 01/05/2003.
Part number: BA2C 1007 X.

Thanks for the help! As I suspected, the wheels on it aren't the right ones, seems I've been screwed yet again. This is why I was hoping to pick up a set of the alloys. It needs new tyres soon anyway.

I'm looking at Continental Vanco 100 215/65R16C 109/107R, which I hope will be fine? The tread on them certainly looks good.

[Blue Dog]

Check your tyre sizing.

The information is from Microcat.

The original tyres were supposedly P215/60R16, which doesn't appear to be a ute tyre.
Perhaps check the tyre placard.
Can't offer an explanation on the Cruise Control, the info relating to that VIN indicates Cruise was factory fitted.

[bazzaa]

Originally Posted by Blue Dog

Check your tyre sizing.
Can't offer an explanation on the Cruise Control, the info relating to that VIN indicates Cruise was factory fitted.

Maybe the dweeb pinched the original steering wheel and replaced it with one falling to bits at the same time he pinched the road wheels.

[Raptor]

Factory RTV tyre size is 215/65/16.

But you can go bigger

[EDIT] I've found one RTV alloy for you on eBay; https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/282436003458
It shows the offset markings you're looking for behind the spokes in one of the photos.

[EDIT again] These could work; https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201829753438
Aftermarket but quality CSA (from when they were made in Australia), even lower offset 10P (same as what I run), load rated to 900kg per wheel which meets the 1-tonne requirements. On special - make an offer.






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[bazzaa]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Factory RTV tyre size is 215/65/16.
But you can go bigger

hehe, go large or go home...
Bigger which way? Wider? Diameter? What's legal?

Originally Posted by Raptor

[EDIT] I've found one RTV alloy for you on eBay; https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/282436003458
It shows the offset markings you're looking for behind the spokes in one of the photos.

Thank-you again. Man that's one expensive wheel.

At least I have some clarity about what I'm looking for now. You guys have been an immense help!

Originally Posted by Raptor

[EDIT again] These could work; https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201829753438

They do look nice. Might be the path of least resistance? I'm getting the feeling the original wheels may be hard to come by?

[theBlake]

Originally Posted by Raptor

[EDIT again] These could work; https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201829753438
Aftermarket but quality CSA (from when they were made in Australia), even lower offset 10P (same as what I run)
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What does 10P mean, 10mm?

is that really ok to use.

[barrys123]

Originally Posted by theBlake

What does 10P mean, 10mm?

is that really ok to use.

10 MM positive, I doubt they would be ok.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by theBlake

What does 10P mean, 10mm?

is that really ok to use.

Yes it means the wheel mounting face is offset from the centreline. A positive offset, which is what the P designates, moves the wheel inboard under the car. A negative offset moves it out. However as the factory offset is larger at 21.5P a 10P offset moves the wheel out 11.5mm further than the factory alloy RTV wheels.

Provided there is still clearance you are allowed to widen the track of a car 25mm. That means you can run 12.5mm less offset than factory spec each side. So yes 10P is still legal on an RTV. In fact as the Utes are classified as Commercial vehicles I believe the regulations allow for a 50mm wider track but that would deifinately have clearance issues on the front.

Originally Posted by barrys123

10 MM positive, I doubt they would be ok.

Seem fine on mine
The lower offset even allowed the taller tyres to fit on the front, with a few other mods
Australian made CSA Spirit 16x7" wheels. Load rated to 900kg ea. 5x114.3 10P.

[sr71]

Originally Posted by Raptor

In fact as the Utes are classified as Commercial vehicles I believe the regulations allow for a 50mm wider track ....

i didn't know about that. Thanks.
Victorian BA-FGX utes pay commercial Road Tolls, likely to become a national rule. And can legally go 10" rears on a BA-FGX ute. X series utes maybe not commercial because they're not a cab chassis. ??
Sorry to go off topic.