VFACTS Nov 2022

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Toyota fan boi says no, she says the Everest is a “fly in the pan”, and that Toyota “rools” in that segment . Lol

Makes me wonder how stretched Thailand is trying to send us as many V6s as it can make,
I knew that 29,000 limit the South Africans set was going to be too low, let her rip and watch
the sales climb, beautiful smooth V6 is something Toyota doesn’t offer to buyers in this segment..

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Last month wouldn’t be a good month to do that
1. Everest………….1,312
2. MU-X.…………….1,218
3. Sorrento………..1,063

Clearly, Toyota had “down month” because of shipping supplies.
You know, the same excuses the Ford faithful here use…..

That’s not to be funny, I’m just pointing out that all companies have supply issues
but in a good month combined Fortuner and Prado sales would have to be +2,300

Toyota sold 1460 units in that segment.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Toyota sold 1460 units in that segment.

Toyota won, well done.

[CyberWasp]

It would be interesting if any one knows of a link that shows sales by country each month.
It would be good to see, where Ranger sales in Oz rank on an international basis.
Would we be 2nd to Thailand for example.

[Vekgib]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Is Toyota still selling the Fortuner, do we know what last months figures were please?
Always found it strange that Toyota sold two similar mid sized SUVs in our market.

Pretty sure I saw that 415 Fortuners were sold in November

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

It would be interesting if any one knows of a link that shows sales by country each month.
It would be good to see, where Ranger sales in Oz rank on an international basis.
Would we be 2nd to Thailand for example.

Not exactly what you're looking for and I know I've seen such an article somewhere.....this article will give some idea.
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...subishi-triton

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

Pretty sure I saw that 415 Fortuners were sold in November

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Toyota sold 1460 units in that segment.

Thanks,
That suggests
Fortuner….……..415
Prado…………..1,045
Total…………….1,460

In October, Everest was 1,477 while Prado sales alone were 1461,
not sure about Fortuner but definitely less than MU-X at 914…..
https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/vfa...-on-4x4-charts

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Toyota won, well done.

They may have ‘won’,but they were creamed in the 4x4 segment.Take away fleet sales & they would be well under Ranger.They have vehicles which are nowhere near as good as Fords range in the technology dept.Hi-Lux is so yesterday.Fords biggest issue is supply atm. They have the ‘ammunition’ to take Toyota on.Toyota are certainly not the best out there anymore.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by hackney

They may have ‘won’,but they were creamed in the 4x4 segment.Take away fleet sales & they would be well under Ranger.They have vehicles which are nowhere near as good as Fords range in the technology dept.Hi-Lux is so yesterday.Fords biggest issue is supply atm. They have the ‘ammunition’ to take Toyota on.Toyota are certainly not the best out there anymore.

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic with his praise….

I get your point though, Ford is eating into those 4x4 sales, pleased that Everest is now selling above 1,000 per month - small victories

[hackney]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic with his praise….

I get your point though, Ford is eating into those 4x4 sales, pleased that Everest is now selling above 1,000 per month - small victories

Think supply constraints are Fords big issue.They certainly have the vehicles to over take Toyota.

[Hemihunter]

Id say Isuzu ute sales will increase over the next few months as well. Ive had 1 on order for 13 Months , should be ready finally next week.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by GCRXR6

No, not around price, but the vehicle itself. The Fortuner is based on the Hilux, as is the Everest is based on the Ranger. The Prado is a Landcruiser, isn't it?

The Badge?
The landcruiser badge it wears bears no resemblance to the other landcruisers Toyota sells. 70 series & 300 series are also very different but wear tat badge

Maybe you need to check them out.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Makes me wonder how stretched Thailand is trying to send us as many V6s as it can make,
I knew that 29,000 limit the South Africans set was going to be too low, let her rip and watch
the sales climb, beautiful smooth V6 is something Toyota doesn’t offer to buyers in this segment..

I'm not sure where Thai production is sourcing V6's from, but I recon it's still from the UK, and the South African built V6's are only going into their SA built vehicles.

Cause the numbers don't add up. 29,000 V6's a year is nowhere near enough. Probably sell that many here in a year if the supply was there. And the SA plant exports to over 100 countries including Europe, where they would sell a fair whack of V6's. Or at least they will, production has only recently started there.

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

It would be interesting if any one knows of a link that shows sales by country each month.
It would be good to see, where Ranger sales in Oz rank on an international basis.
Would we be 2nd to Thailand for example.

US no 1, then Thailand, then Australia I think.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I'm not sure where Thai production is sourcing V6's from, but I recon it's still from the UK, and the South African built V6's are only going into their SA built vehicles.

Cause the numbers don't add up. 29,000 V6's a year is nowhere near enough. Probably sell that many here in a year if the supply was there. And the SA plant exports to over 100 countries including Europe, where they would sell a fair whack of V6's. Or at least they will, production has only recently started there.

V6 diesel ended in F150 12 months ago and nothing in Europe uses it anymore so machinery was transferred to South Africa. There’s no reason why production can’t be ramped up, it was simply underestimation of demand.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

V6 diesel ended in F150 12 months ago and nothing in Europe uses it anymore so machinery was transferred to South Africa. There’s no reason why production can’t be ramped up, it was simply underestimation of demand.

Well that explains why hardly any countries get it then. Even South Africa are limiting it to Wildtrak only. You can't get it in XLT and they have no Sport variant. Thailand doesn't even have the option of V6TD either.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Well that explains why hardly any countries get it then. Even South Africa are limiting it to Wildtrak only. You can't get it in XLT and they have no Sport variant. Thailand doesn't even have the option of V6TD either.

We need a bigger boat moment……

You might be too young to remember but the British V6 Essex was mined to South Africa, their Cortina got the 3.0 V6 while we used the 4.1 I-6
(guys, please this is just a quick short hand of history)

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

We need a bigger boat moment……

You might be too young to remember but the British V6 Essex was mined to South Africa, their Cortina got the 3.0 V6 while we used the 4.1 I-6
(guys, please this is just a quick short hand of history)

I do recall the south african cortinas having v6's. But yeah, that was well before my time.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I do recall the south african cortinas having v6's. But yeah, that was well before my time.

Yeah, so if the South Africans can crank up V6 Powerstroke production,
then Ford can sell as many V6 Rangers and Everests as the Aussie market wants

That’s why I think Ford could easily go V6 Ranger and Everest for our market
and maybe offer the Maverick as an efficient little Ute below Ranger

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Yeah, so if the South Africans can crank up V6 Powerstroke production,
then Ford can sell as many V6 Rangers and Everests as the Aussie market wants

That’s why I think Ford could easily go V6 Ranger and Everest for our market
and maybe offer the Maverick as an efficient little Ute below Ranger

Will be interesting to see if they do try to increase V6 production.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I'm not sure where Thai production is sourcing V6's from, but I recon it's still from the UK, and the South African built V6's are only going into their SA built vehicles.

Cause the numbers don't add up. 29,000 V6's a year is nowhere near enough. Probably sell that many here in a year if the supply was there. And the SA plant exports to over 100 countries including Europe, where they would sell a fair whack of V6's. Or at least they will, production has only recently started there.



US no 1, then Thailand, then Australia I think.

Actually, it's USA at about 90+K units, Aust at about half that, Thailand a little less and then..who knows..

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Actually, it's USA at about 90+K units, Aust at about half that, Thailand a little less and then..who knows..

After looking at the numbers, you are correct. I thought they sold more in Thailand for some reason. I'd take a guess and say South Africa is number 4. With Canada, Argentina and Mexico being fairly strong markets too.

Looks like they sold about 13,000 in the UK last year, so that would probably put it top 5 or 6. I'm actually surprised they sold that many there, I wouldn't have thought the Brits were into utes that much. Mostly vans.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Yeah, so if the South Africans can crank up V6 Powerstroke production,
then Ford can sell as many V6 Rangers and Everests as the Aussie market wants

That’s why I think Ford could easily go V6 Ranger and Everest for our market
and maybe offer the Maverick as an efficient little Ute below Ranger

seem that way, though i just read the article below, the maverick 2wd is FWD? and uses an ECVT?

there is also the cost for conversion which may make it too expensive here..

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-not-ruled-out

see the last comment they believe former Focus buyers in the US and now buying these

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

seem that way, though i just read the article below, the maverick 2wd is FWD? and uses an ECVT?

there is also the cost for conversion which may make it too expensive here..

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-not-ruled-out

see the last comment they believe former Focus buyers in the US and now buying these

FOA has made enquires regarding Maverick but the usual not designed for RHD and forward demand in USA probably wipe out any possibility (86,000 customer orders). Always happens when Ford has a home run….

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

After looking at the numbers, you are correct. I thought they sold more in Thailand for some reason. I'd take a guess and say South Africa is number 4. With Canada, Argentina and Mexico being fairly strong markets too.

Looks like they sold about 13,000 in the UK last year, so that would probably put it top 5 or 6. I'm actually surprised they sold that many there, I wouldn't have thought the Brits were into utes that much. Mostly vans.

Hilux dominates Thailand by an enormous amount..
I'm a big auto YouTube review watcher and while utes aren't the top of the sales charts like here or the US, the Ranger is highly regarded and considered easily a generation or two above anything else in the market....although some are annoyed they get a detuned version of the Raptor iirc.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

FOA has made enquires regarding Maverick but the usual not designed for RHD and forward demand in USA probably wipe out any possibility (86,000 customer orders). Always happens when Ford has a home run….

And the problem is if Ford were to do a RHD conversion on Maverick it would just be too expensive and cost above some Ranger models unlike the F-150 which has it's competitors all doing RHD here and so facing similar costs and hence likely sales prices.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Hilux dominates Thailand by an enormous amount..
I'm a big auto YouTube review watcher and while utes aren't the top of the sales charts like here or the US, the Ranger is highly regarded and considered easily a generation or two above anything else in the market....although some are annoyed they get a detuned version of the Raptor iirc.

Actually the D-Max is the dominant ute in Thailand. Has been for years. Top Gear even did an episode about it a few weeks ago.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

And the problem is if Ford were to do a RHD conversion on Maverick it would just be too expensive and cost above some Ranger models unlike the F-150 which has it's competitors all doing RHD here and so facing similar costs and hence likely sales prices.

Yeah there is no point doing a RHD conversion and having it cost a price just about the same as Ranger. Waste of time.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Actually the D-Max is the dominant ute in Thailand. Has been for years. Top Gear even did an episode about it a few weeks ago.

Yes you're right, D-Max finally overtook Hilux for the last two years.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

And the problem is if Ford were to do a RHD conversion on Maverick it would just be too expensive and cost above some Ranger models unlike the F-150 which has it's competitors all doing RHD here and so facing similar costs and hence likely sales prices.

They were looking at factory RHD out of Hermosillo, the thing uses a lot of C1 and defunct C2 transit connect parts
2.5 hybrid version would make a pleasant change to diesel rape and pillage, maybe SE Asian build…

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Yes you're right, D-Max finally overtook Hilux for the last two years.

Interesting what’s happening there, maybe a newer ANCAP class 5 rating is a plus,
the last thing tradies need is a Ute with an expired class5/ down rated to class 4.