VFACTS Nov 2022 - Page 2

Dr Smith · 06-12-2022, 07:11 AM

Ford Aust should also be selling about 500+ Transit Customs a month and about 150 larger Transits a month. It will be interesting if they can get better supply when the new Transit Custom is released including the e-Transit Custom and e-Transit. Future class leader for the mid-size van is my prediction.

hackney · 06-12-2022, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Ford Aust should also be selling about 500+ Transit Customs a month and about 150 larger Transits a month. It will be interesting if they can get better supply when the new Transit Custom is released including the e-Transit Custom and e-Transit. Future class leader for the mid-size van is my prediction.

Transit runs rings around the Hi-Ace.

au2000 · 06-12-2022, 09:31 AM

Monthly sales numbers are influenced too much by international supply and delivery constraints to really matter anymore imo.. end of year numbers at least give a representation overall factoring such things.

**Fordman1** · 06-12-2022, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Ive barely said a word against Ford or Ranger in months as it appears as though they've finally got their **** together.
The propoganda/excuses by the OP(I wont say and you as youre clearly one and the same) is still laughable though.

It was something about 6 months of back / preorders equal one months of Toyota sales lol.

Toyota fan boys on Australian Ford Forum, it’s very funny.

hayseed · 06-12-2022, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Ford Aust should also be selling about 500+ Transit Customs a month and about 150 larger Transits a month. It will be interesting if they can get better supply when the new Transit Custom is released including the e-Transit Custom and e-Transit. Future class leader for the mid-size van is my prediction.

Yep, I wholeheartedly agree...!!

fgpsi · 06-12-2022, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jstanovic

1984?

Nah 82 haha

Bossxr8 · 06-12-2022, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GCRXR6

Why the comparison of Everest with Prado? The Fortuner is the equivalent to Everest.

They both compete in the same segment, and the Prado is internally the target competition for Everest. The Fortuner is irrelevant because no one wants one of those things. One of the rare vehicles that Toyota have failed selling.

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

And your responses in these threads each month are equally predicable.

I've had him on ignore for about 2 years now and he still can't let it go. Must have a pathetic life in 'Lizbeth.

Mods have told him a few times to stay out of the threads if they rile him up so much, so maybe it's time they sent a ban his way?

Franco Cozzo · 06-12-2022, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

It actually is quite notable. A single model eclipsing 60k sales in the calendar year. As mentioned, a feat not seen for over 20 years.

With such segmentation in the market, it's a pretty amazing achievement.

Not comparable - no tax advantages back then for Thailand Specials though incentivizing their purchase, asset write-off incentives et al.

Bossxr8 · 06-12-2022, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Not comparable - no tax advantages back then for Thailand Specials though incentivizing their purchase, asset write-off incentives et al.

They had tariffs though. They should never have been lowered to the levels they were.

BENT_8 · 06-12-2022, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

It was something about 6 months of back / preorders equal one months of Toyota sales lol.

Toyota fan boys on Australian Ford Forum, it’s very funny.

Yes, and 6 months since I said it but you failed to mention that.

prydey · 06-12-2022, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Not comparable - no tax advantages back then for Thailand Specials though incentivizing their purchase, asset write-off incentives et al.

It's just a statistic.

prydey · 06-12-2022, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by au2000

Monthly sales numbers are influenced too much by international supply and delivery constraints to really matter anymore imo.. end of year numbers at least give a representation overall factoring such things.

Agree, sales spikes generally coincide with a ship arriving...

**Fordman1** · 06-12-2022, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Yes, and 6 months since I said it but you failed to mention that.

It’s good to “turn up” troll posts. Thanks, I’ll keep you in mind when I turn more up.

Vesper Martini · 06-12-2022, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GCRXR6

Why the comparison of Everest with Prado? The Fortuner is the equivalent to Everest.

Sorry how do you come to this conclusion? are you basing it around price?

Vesper Martini · 06-12-2022, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Because Ford Fans. I agree the class is Fortuner/Pajero Sport/Everest.

The MUX is perhaps the closet to a Prado but even then its based off a Ute. If budget wasnt an issue it would be Prado all day long, the extra size is worth it if your doing bulk driving with a tribe.

Prado is not any bigger? they are all the same class perhaps Fortuner/Pajero being a bit smaller, But Ford couldn't care less about them and Everest was built as a Prado competitor. perhaps it was lacking in the top end feature Kakadu had but now it has feature Prado doesnt.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/...a-prado-kakadu
https://www.just4x4s.com.au/news-and...-everest/14072
https://practicalmotoring.com.au/com...-ford-everest/
https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...sights-134502/
and perhaps this from 2015
https://www.drive.com.au/news/ford-e...-chief-claims/

jpd80 · 06-12-2022, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GCRXR6

Why the comparison of Everest with Prado? The Fortuner is the equivalent to Everest.

Is Toyota still selling the Fortuner, do we know what last months figures were please?
Always found it strange that Toyota sold two similar mid sized SUVs in our market.

hackney · 06-12-2022, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Prado is not any bigger? they are all the same class perhaps Fortuner/Pajero being a bit smaller, But Ford couldn't care less about them and Everest was built as a Prado competitor. perhaps it was lacking in the top end feature Kakadu had but now it has feature Prado doesnt.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/...a-prado-kakadu
https://www.just4x4s.com.au/news-and...-everest/14072
https://practicalmotoring.com.au/com...-ford-everest/
https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...sights-134502/
and perhaps this from 2015
https://www.drive.com.au/news/ford-e...-chief-claims/

If you go by Vfacts, Everests ‘natural’ competition is Prado, so where does Fortuna sit?

hackney · 06-12-2022, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Is Toyota still selling the Fortuner, do we know what last months figures were please?
Always found it strange that Toyota sold two similar mid sized SUVs in our market.

Yes, still are.The strange thing with it though, it does absolutely bugger all in the sales charts.Same engine etc..Quite weird.Probably just as capable as Everest etc….

Franco Cozzo · 06-12-2022, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

It's just a statistic.

Tells half the story though, the headline quite apt for your 'Sensationalist headlines and articles with no substance... a growing trend.' thread

Vesper Martini · 06-12-2022, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Is Toyota still selling the Fortuner, do we know what last months figures were please?
Always found it strange that Toyota sold two similar mid sized SUVs in our market.

I actually like the look of the First Gen Fortuna, kind of like a 4WD Kluger but then they offered this Hilux looking budget version of a Prado.

To the Toyota faithful I would have been like turning up to a Porsche event in a Boxter

GCRXR6 · 06-12-2022, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Sorry how do you come to this conclusion? are you basing it around price?

No, not around price, but the vehicle itself. The Fortuner is based on the Hilux, as is the Everest is based on the Ranger. The Prado is a Landcruiser, isn't it?

GCRXR6 · 06-12-2022, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Is Toyota still selling the Fortuner, do we know what last months figures were please?
Always found it strange that Toyota sold two similar mid sized SUVs in our market.

Yes, the Fortuner is still on the website. Just checked. You had me wondering, as I've only seen two since buying my Everest in May.

BENT_8 · 06-12-2022, 05:26 PM

If the Prado belongs in the Everest, MUX segment then so does Fortuner.
Its only fair to then add Prado and Fortuner numbers together as Toyota is sharing its sales across 2 vehicles in one segment.
How do the numbers look now?

kevino · 06-12-2022, 05:33 PM

Some Fortuners are built and imported from Indonesia.

Vesper Martini · 06-12-2022, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kevino

Some Fortuners are built and imported from Indonesia.

Bali is where I first saw the 1st Gen Fortuner.

**DFB FGXR6** · 06-12-2022, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

I actually like the look of the First Gen Fortuna, kind of like a 4WD Kluger but then they offered this Hilux looking budget version of a Prado.

To the Toyota faithful I would have been like turning up to a Porsche event in a Boxter

Brilliant analogy!

**DFB FGXR6** · 06-12-2022, 06:46 PM

Toyota were sort of forced to join the party with the Fortuna. However, it was originally designed as a lower cost machine for markets other than Australia. As such, it was/is underdone in comparison to the added effort that went into making the Everest. So much so it elevated Everest to be competing on the same level as the more expensive Prado.

Everest made the Fortuner look like an absolute joke and has now moved above and beyond the ancient Prado. With that rattly and underpowered 2.8 diesel, I see no value in paying the price Toyota asks for the Prado.

jpd80 · 06-12-2022, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

If the Prado belongs in the Everest, MUX segment then so does Fortuner.
Its only fair to then add Prado and Fortuner numbers together as Toyota is sharing its sales across 2 vehicles in one segment.
How do the numbers look now?

Last month wouldn’t be a good month to do that
1. Everest………….1,312
2. MU-X.…………….1,218
3. Sorrento………..1,063

Clearly, Toyota had “down month” because of shipping supplies.
You know, the same excuses the Ford faithful here use…..

That’s not to be funny, I’m just pointing out that all companies have supply issues
but in a good month combined Fortuner and Prado sales would have to be +2,300

jpd80 · 06-12-2022, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Toyota were sort of forced to join the party with the Fortuna. However, it was originally designed as a lower cost machine for markets other than Australia. As such, it was/is underdone in comparison to the added effort that went into making the Everest. So much so it elevated Everest to be competing on the same level as the more expensive Prado.

Everest made the Fortuner look like an absolute joke and has now moved above and beyond the ancient Prado. With that rattly and underpowered 2.8 diesel, I see no value in paying the price Toyota asks for the Prado.

Interesting that Everest starting price ~$50,000 splits between Fortuner ~$40,000 and Prado ~$60,000
It’s a good strategy to position Everest at a price point that covers more or less the SUV version of Ranger buyers.

There is an issue with age of the Toyotas but I wonder if toyota buyers are less bothered by that, Ranger buyers
have been in similar situations in the past due to model timing and yeah, people kept buying the aging Ranger.

**Fordman1** · 06-12-2022, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Last month wouldn’t be a good month to do that
1. Everest………….1,312
2. MU-X.…………….1,218
3. Sorrento………..1,063

Clearly, Toyota had “down month” because of shipping supplies.
You know, the same excuses the Ford faithful here use…..

That’s not to be funny, I’m just pointing out that all companies have supply issues
but in a good month combined Fortuner and Prado sales would have to be +2,300

Toyota fan boi says no, she says the Everest is a “fly in the pan”, and that Toyota “rools” in that segment . Lol