0-100km/h what's considered fast?

[The Monty]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Seems to be around the 4.5 second mark.

Wow, what tyres are you running? that hooked nearly like an AWD? A tuned Coyote will have difficulty catching that due to extreme loss of traction on standard tyres. Seems the ZF 6HP26 has a one-second delay shifting, as it clearly lost momentum at around 60kph (1st to 2nd). Perhaps with a DSG gearbox, the Barra turbo could do 3.5 0-100kph.

Achilles 123S. 2.2 6ft, so only soft off the line. Once it gets to second its foot down and away we go! It was a pretty quick car 60-140.

[Express]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

I remember when HSV used to advertise "welcome to the 5 second club" and it wasn't all that long ago really. Quite mediocre by today's standards. In the last few years, 4 seconds seems to have replaced 5 seconds as the benchmark for a brisk sedan. Some of these new German flagships going sub-4 are incredible, although I doubt you'd repeat the numbers on your average street surface, AWD or not.

And generally I think 0-100 is an outdated measure. With cars as quick as they are today, you end up splitting hairs trying to compare them over such a small window. 0-160 (100mph) is a better base for comparison. Plenty of these rigs start to run out of puff beyond 100.

True not all companies are honest about the capabilities of their product and HSV is a good example of cars that are found wanting.

But if you get on the Forums for the German cars you’ll find that many of the factory stock times the manufacturers quote are replicated by their owners and in many cases even faster on prepared tracks.

In a nutshell the reason being is how well the Germans design their cars to deliver their power on acceleration.

Unlike some of the cheaper high performance cars that come with a lot of HP but tend to tear the tyres from the rims and won’t hook up unless you are highly skilled at launching them.

The same goes for the Germans ability to reach high speeds as they build in some aero to closer match the car’s performance capabilities.

That’s not to say cars like those from FPV and HSV are not powerful and quick as their in line power will blow some performance Euros away, it just a matter of the difference in the amount of money that is involved in their R&D.

These are some of the things your over inflated price tag pays for when purchasing German performance.

And as much as it may get up the nose of some people the 0-100 time is still a relevant selling factor for many manufacturers and it does indicate the engineering credentials of the vehicle if not the overall performance capabilities, much like being fast in a straight line doesn’t make you quick through a corner.

[mik]

well it doesnt really show the overall performance capabilities , it really just shows the capability of getting 0 to a 100, over the years we have seen many cars make quick 0 to 100 then fall off as speed rises down the quarter mile.

[naddis01]

Most Ranger owners seem to think around 10 seconds is fast.

[78xcgxl]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Seems to be around the 4.5 second mark.

Wow, what tyres are you running? that hooked nearly like an AWD? A tuned Coyote will have difficulty catching that due to extreme loss of traction on standard tyres. Seems the ZF 6HP26 has a one-second delay shifting, as it clearly lost momentum at around 60kph (1st to 2nd). Perhaps with a DSG gearbox, the Barra turbo could do 3.5 0-100kph.

Definitely fast, i timed 3.9 secs. I reckon the ZF is best left in performance mode, does a better job that way.

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by mik

well it doesnt really show the overall performance capabilities , it really just shows the capability of getting 0 to a 100, over the years we have seen many cars make quick 0 to 100 then fall off as speed rises down the quarter mile.

What cars are you talking about?

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Most Ranger owners seem to think around 10 seconds is fast.

It is not bad for a 2t diesel.

Anything under 6sec i think isn't bad. Under 5 is proper modern day performance figures

[XG_Falcon]

5 seconds... that's Aurion fast

[blueoval]

Do people still use Go Pro's to check their 0-100 times or is there an app you can download?

[FPV+fteT3]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Do people still use Go Pro's to check their 0-100 times or is there an app you can download?

Judging by the plethora of 3.5-4 second falcons and commodores you can use a watch from the $2 shop and a good eye.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

Judging by the plethora of 3.5-4 second falcons and commodores you can use a watch from the $2 shop and a good eye.

Wonder what these stop watches go for on Ebay?

I am just wondering if these times claimed on here are done properly with a specific gated setup similar to a rally car race, a go pro device or judged on a 'bumometer' and a mates stopwatch app on his phone?

Obviously everyone's answer will be dependent on the amount of salt grains I need to add to their claimed times.

[mik]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

What cars are you talking about?

too many to name , but a very good example is too look at a lot of the performance cars over the years , look at their 0 to a 100 times then look at the quarter mile time and speed , it becomes very obvious that by comparing these that some cars make up an enormous amount of ground between 100 kph and terminal speed and getting off the mark was a big problem for them.
you can compare a sporty 4wd with a muscle car , and the muscle car may get killed to 100 kph , but by the quarters end the muscle has either completly caught up or passed the sporty 4wd drive............ and that shows full picture.

if i wanted too i could get my beat up 15 year old xr6 to do a 0 to a 100 in 4 seconds(maybe faster ) without any hotting up of the engine through better gearing big tyres and making it lighter , it would probably only do 80 mph and would probably break something in a short time , and would be shat upon by everything after that , but 0 to 100 would be very impressive , so you see what i mean , while 0 to 100 is a good indicator of a fast take off , on its own it really means richard.

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by mik

too many to name , but a very good example is too look at a lot of the performance cars over the years , look at their 0 to a 100 times then look at the quarter mile time and speed , it becomes very obvious that by comparing these that some cars make up an enormous amount of ground between 100 kph and terminal speed and getting off the mark was a big problem for them.
you can compare a sporty 4wd with a muscle car , and the muscle car may get killed to 100 kph , but by the quarters end the muscle has either completly caught up or passed the sporty 4wd drive............ and that shows full picture.

if i wanted too i could get my beat up 15 year old xr6 to do a 0 to a 100 in 4 seconds(maybe faster ) without any hotting up of the engine through better gearing big tyres and making it lighter , it would probably only do 80 mph and would probably break something in a short time , and would be shat upon by everything after that , but 0 to 100 would be very impressive , so you see what i mean , while 0 to 100 is a good indicator of a fast take off , on its own it really means richard.

I take an interest in cars and I’m scratching my head so with your too many to name a little help would be appreciated.

By the way your XR6 is not a performance car and therefore it’s understandable why it falls in a hole after take-off but we are not talking about mum’s grocery shopper modded with tyres, diff gears and lightened, most here are talking about proper performance cars that do have the power to go on with it and if you use some of those Euros that express listed as an example you aren’t honestly saying those quick launch times are going to be followed by a dud run.

Those cars are designed to launch and go, the Fords and Holdens are designed to go and usually need some aftermarket help to become good at launching as well.

I believe you’ve made a broad statement that no longer applies to many true performance sedans but if you can name some I’ll bow to your knowledge.

0 to 100 km/h may not be the is all and end all of true performance but it still plays a big part in reviews and marketing and in most cases it does give a good general indication of what level of performance you can expect from the car.

[1970galaxie]

In my younger days in the mid '70s, I had an XW ute with a 3.6 and 3 speed with Impala shifter.
Thought it was pretty hot at the time, until I timed it with a stop watch to 60mph in Scarborough Beach carpark. Was around 14 seconds.

[Top_Ghia]

New ranger does 0-100 in 11 seconds. I thought that was pretty slow but punters seem to think they haul ***. The new Hilux is a slug at 13.0 but they'll still sell millions of them to ISIS.

[Qwerty321]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

New ranger does 0-100 in 11 seconds. I thought that was pretty slow but punters seem to think they haul ***. The new Hilux is a slug at 13.0 but they'll still sell millions of them to ISIS.

I consider anything below 8 to be good/somewhat fast, anything sub 6 to be fast and below 4 is just amazing. Looking at all these times people are posting though, my scale might need an update

[mik]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

I take an interest in cars and I’m scratching my head so with your too many to name a little help would be appreciated.

By the way your XR6 is not a performance car and therefore it’s understandable why it falls in a hole after take-off but we are not talking about mum’s grocery shopper modded with tyres, diff gears and lightened, most here are talking about proper performance cars that do have the power to go on with it and if you use some of those Euros that express listed as an example you aren’t honestly saying those quick launch times are going to be followed by a dud run.

Those cars are designed to launch and go, the Fords and Holdens are designed to go and usually need some aftermarket help to become good at launching as well.

I believe you’ve made a broad statement that no longer applies to many true performance sedans but if you can name some I’ll bow to your knowledge.

0 to 100 km/h may not be the is all and end all of true performance but it still plays a big part in reviews and marketing and in most cases it does give a good general indication of what level of performance you can expect from the car.

of course my xr6 is not in the race , it was merely an example showing that 0 to 100 is only a part of performance criteria and on its own greatly over used as a performance yard stick imo.
an easy example if my grey cells are still working, i think without even looking back through archives would be a wrx and any performance falcon , of the same era, the rex is quite quick over all and quick off the line , but the big horsepower of the henry in the higher speeds has it pegging him back .
it may not be as prominent now with these modern bangers having 7 and 8
speed gearboxes , but if you believe 0 to a 100 is the be all of performance , i will have to disagree, a lot of powerful cars dont really start to motor until they get over 100 kliks per hour.

[Top_Ghia]

Originally Posted by mik

of course my xr6 is not in the race , it was merely an example showing that 0 to 100 is only a part of performance criteria and on its own greatly over used as a performance yard stick imo.

an easy example if my grey cells are still working, i think without even looking back through archives would be a wrx and any performance falcon , of the same era, the rex is quite quick over all and quick off the line , but the big horsepower of the henry in the higher speeds has it pegging him back .

it may not be as prominent now with these modern bangers having 7 and 8

speed gearboxes , but if you believe 0 to a 100 is the be all of performance , i will have to disagree, a lot of powerful cars dont really start to motor until they get over 100 kliks per hour.

Would you suggest 100-200 is a better gauge of performance? How Would your XR go in that race?

[99AUXR]

TBH 100 is about the mark I would want to do a rolling start from. . .You know for traction problems.

#turbosixtorqueisboss

Friend has a R32 GTR that can effortlessly turn 4 wheels at 100-110 though .

As for the original OP I mean fast for who? Some of us will not find 0-100 fast until the 4-5 second bracket. Personally I think 4-5 is quick but as I can do it every day I guess I dont think its 'that quick' anymore? The 3-4 bracket requires sooo much more and IMO that is very very fast.

However others and majority of drivers will still think 5-7 seconds is pretty quick because in all honesty it is, its just are cars have developed so much that even a camry can almost squeeze in there.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by 99AUXR

TBH 100 is about the mark I would want to do a rolling start from. . .You know for traction problems.

#turbosixtorqueisboss

Friend has a R32 GTR that can effortlessly turn 4 wheels at 100-110 though .

As for the original OP I mean fast for who? Some of us will not find 0-100 fast until the 4-5 second bracket. Personally I think 4-5 is quick but as I can do it every day I guess I dont think its 'that quick' anymore? The 3-4 bracket requires sooo much more and IMO that is very very fast.

However others and majority of drivers will still think 5-7 seconds is pretty quick because in all honesty it is, its just are cars have developed so much that even a AURION can almost squeeze in there.

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[Maka]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

Would you suggest 100-200 is a better gauge of performance? How Would your XR go in that race?

0 - 160 is a familiar benchmark. You know that one?

cheer's, Maka

[mik]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

Would you suggest 100-200 is a better gauge of performance? How Would your XR go in that race?

I think it would because traction would be less of an issue,
my xr goes alright for a family hack, but it's a stock 15 year old 4 speed auto, so I have no delusions that it would be like my horse at the Melbourne cup.......... Still running. ; ).

[99AUXR]

Originally Posted by blueoval

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Cheers bro better you than hulk coming back from the grave to correct me

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Most Ranger owners seem to think around 10 seconds is fast.

Especially since they can only do 12-13 secs

[Top_Ghia]

Originally Posted by mik

I think it would because traction would be less of an issue,

my xr goes alright for a family hack, but it's a stock 15 year old 4 speed auto, so I have no delusions that it would be like my horse at the Melbourne cup.......... Still running. ; ).

You'd need a calendar to measure your cars 100-200 times. So I think 0-100 is plenty relevant for comparing real world performance.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

You'd need a calendar to measure your cars 100-200 times. So I think 0-100 is plenty relevant for comparing real world performance.

yes i would need a calendar, but again i would totally disagree on the 0 to 100 being the only yard stick for performance, but hey ....... we will agree to disagree : ).

[Top_Ghia]

I never said it's the only yard stick. Only that it is relevant for a real world comparison.
You're just not happy with it because most rice burners will smoke your taxi.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

I never said it's the only yard stick. Only that it is relevant for a real world comparison.
You're just not happy with it because most rice burners will smoke your taxi.

You seem to be trying to get a response from me because my taxi is slow ? which i fully admitted from the very first post, yes i know a camry with a flat tyre or hundai getz even without the canon tip would probably smoke my old taxi, no dispute from me,
however i still stick to my original opinion , that 0 to a hundred k`s is very much only half a performance comparison and at times quite misleading when looking at the full quarter or performance in top end.
I will leave it there .

[Top_Ghia]

I think you'd have the Getz covered. No so sure about the Camry sadly.
I think 0-100 is the most relevant comparison because I'm generally not accelerating past that speed and 0-100 gives you a good feel of how the car runs. I've driven thousands of cars and in 99.9% of cars the parties over at 100km/h.
But I haven't driven a super or hyper car.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Especially since they can only do 12-13 secs

yeah those 4 cylinder ones aren't the quickest thing on the road.