80,000 dual clutch gearboxes recalled

Sprintey · 20-10-2019, 07:38 PM

Not Ford this time:

https://www.caradvice.com.au/800297/...-in-six-years/

Some of the poor owners tell their story in the comments section.

Yellow_Festiva · 20-10-2019, 07:54 PM

How the hell did these gearboxes pass testing during the development stage?

How could companies like Ford, VW and Audi etc think they could sell millions of these faulty units and get away with it?

jpd80 · 20-10-2019, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

How the hell did these gearboxes pass testing during the development stage?

How could companies like Ford, VW and Audi etc think they could sell millions of these faulty units and get away with it?

If you've been following the story at Ford, they actually didn't pass, the engineer overseeing
development had grave reservations about shift quality and said that the box needed more
development time. The alarm bells should have been going off back then.

But the biggest rasberry should go to Getrag, they must have known that this box was a
crap box of problems waiting to happen. Ford and GM should be back charging them heaps.

Sad fact is that the Ford-GM torque converter 6-speed automatic would have worked perfectly,
Ford USA had it there but couldn't convince Ford Europe to change their design and use it.
And when they finally did in 2015, Ford NA was too cheap to switch away from 2.0 DI
as nearly every Focus they made lost money. Go figure Ford doing this to itself to save money.

GTLEGEND · 20-10-2019, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

How the hell did these gearboxes pass testing during the development stage?

How could companies like Ford, VW and Audi etc think they could sell millions of these faulty units and get away with it?

I would rather think that during development stage the prototype parts worked well for the issue VW are having. Most like that when the parts are then mass produced by the supplier, anything could happen and you get issues like this. Proto parts are usually well made, sometimes hand made and become not so good when mass produced or suppliers take short cuts with cheaper materials etc unbeknown to the vehicle manufacturer.

happy1 · 22-10-2019, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

I would rather think that during development stage the prototype parts worked well for the issue VW are having. Most like that when the parts are then mass produced by the supplier, anything could happen and you get issues like this. Proto parts are usually well made, sometimes hand made...

That's exactly it, and even further than that! One of the engineers I know within the automotive industry in Europe that used to be working with automated clutches on manual transmissions (not the DSG provider to VW) told me a story about how they always prepared test vehicles with tighter tolerances than factory spec. For example all drive shafts, differentials, transmissions etc. on a brand new test vehicle always got 'rebuilt' or prepared with tighter tolerances (far less backlash) than how it came from the assembly line for the mass produced vehicle. So the supplier industry is actually cheating when hand-building their R&D valuation vehicles that the car manufacturer's representatives will test-drive and sign off. After preparation these vehicles were only 'excellent' for a very limited range of usage..

guzzis3 · 22-10-2019, 01:08 PM

Those VW gearboxes have been rubbish from the start.

15 years ago a workmate's daughter bought a VW 4b, the big one forget the stupid name. It never went from new and after a dozen trips back to the dealer on a tow truck she just gave up and parked it in her front yard.

My ex's mother had a golf what ? 12 years ago. By 130k kms they sold it for scrap. Started breaking down at 70k. It's well known the trans only last 130k then need about a $7k rebuild. Incredibly she bought another one which started breaking down in the first few thousand k's. They have nice seats lovely interiors and the diesel has a ton of grunt but as soon as you fire it up they start annoying and disappointing you. The throttle and brakes in the new ones are lethal and I refuse to drive it. Total POS.

The Stuttgart porsches are the only european car worth buying. The Macans use the VW box and motor and the cheyanne are pretty sus also. Everything else is garbage.

cheap · 22-10-2019, 05:59 PM

FWIW - my mates 2017 Macan has a failed transfer case and damaged driveshafts - a known issue it would seem. Nearly $10k to repair luckily under warranty.

jpd80 · 22-10-2019, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cheap

FWIW - my mates 2017 Macan has a failed transfer case and damaged driveshafts - a known issue it would seem. Nearly $10k to repair luckily under warranty.

And why it's getting so trap ridden to buy expensive used vehicles without a good warranty.

guzzis3 · 22-10-2019, 07:14 PM

That is why you buy ford. No one is surprised when it breaks down

cat007 · 22-10-2019, 09:21 PM

For the VW side of things, appears to be only AU Golf's? Got a brother in NZ with a mk6 GTI and apparently NZ new VW's are not affected?

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Bossxr8 · 23-10-2019, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cat007

For the VW side of things, appears to be only AU Golf's? Got a brother in NZ with a mk6 GTI and apparently NZ new VW's are not affected?

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More like they haven't issued the recall yet. Or are ignoring the issue. There should be no difference between aus and nz cars.