Rear-Wheel Drive More Fun Than Front-Wheel Drive? - Page 3

SumoDog68 · 09-04-2018, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

I did. Grandma only uses 1/8 throttle. FWD cars are just crap.

They are for grandpop, grandma and Liberace.

Those grandpops can't drive :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLJ3TKJtS0w

mike_nofx · 09-04-2018, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

I did. Grandma only uses 1/8 throttle. FWD cars are just crap.

They are for grandpop, grandma and Liberace.

The only time granny uses 100% throttle is when she hits the accelerator instead of the brake in the shopping centre carpark.

asagaai · 09-04-2018, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

I drove a FWD car once. 200kw Camry I think. Gassed it and the steering wheel was pulled out of my hands. Piece of crap.

FWD. Best left for grandma.

I drove a worked F6 once-an uhm "test" drive. Over 400 rwkw I think. Gassed it on corners and it felt more loose in the **** than -well uhmm leave it to your imagination.

Hopped in my manual Honda Euro with 150 kw at fly immediately after that disappointing F6 drive-and gassed it hard through a corner and recall thinking "now that's what I am talking about".

Even now I cannot get my XR8 within 15 km of the highest speed I got the Euro going around a certain corner, involved the Honda Euro 4 wheel drift sliding flat- the FGX XR8 does not have the poise to get that flat 4 wheel drift in such a high speed controlled fashion.

Rear wheel drives are fun-but a well sorted and good handling FWD is also an awesome bit of kit. Different tools -but if a good tool -fun using them all.

b0son · 09-04-2018, 11:24 PM

FWD - oversteer on the way in
RWD - oversteer on the way out

BENT_8 · 10-04-2018, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by arronm

I drove a FWD car once. 200kw Camry I think. Gassed it and the steering wheel was pulled out of my hands..

I never would have picked a Pro Racer as having limp wrists..

au350hp · 10-04-2018, 08:01 AM

Can't I have a FWD XR8 FG-X instead?

OzJavelin · 10-04-2018, 08:33 AM

Always had RWD stuff .. but a first gen Oldsmobile Toronado - FWD and 425V8 - is on my bucket list:

roKWiz · 10-04-2018, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

Nice to see some gender neutral clothing in them days

It was that or the old bell bottoms. Long live the RWD dinosaur.

Maka · 10-04-2018, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Always had RWD stuff .. but a first gen Oldsmobile Toronado - FWD and 425V8 - is on my bucket list:

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I was waiting for someone to mention the Tornado lol, a American legend car that started the performance fwd cars craze all those years ago.

Fwd smoke machine of the highest order with that big 425ci engine -

1966 Oldsmobile Toronado
Specifications:
Engine: 425.2 cu in/6967cc OHV V-8, 1×4-barrel Rochester Quadrajet carburetor
Power and torque (SAE gross): 385 hp @ 4800 rpm, 475 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm

cheers, Maka

mike_nofx · 10-04-2018, 09:22 AM

How did that thing get any traction??

I see it paved the way for many more big block V8 FWD cars though.

Maka · 10-04-2018, 09:27 AM

Sounds like you have to have forearms as big as The Hulks to control torque steer in a big 6/hp fwd, well who would've known, tch tch tugger Toyota Camry's lol!!

Why didnt they come out with a lsd stock ie i know $$$ right, but to me thats a driver safety issue, if they did they probably would've sold heaps more, who knows?

cheers, Maka

Maka · 10-04-2018, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Roostercam

Can't I have a FWD XR8 FG-X instead?

Wash your mouth out or typing fingers RC ha ha!!

cheers, Maka

Maka · 10-04-2018, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by b0son

FWD - oversteer on the way in
RWD - oversteer on the way out

With the suspension set up right, a rwd can do both np.

cheers, Maka

**solarite_guy** · 10-04-2018, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Maka

I was waiting for someone to mention the Tornado lol, a American legend car that started the performance fwd cars craze all those years ago.

Fwd smoke machine of the highest order with that big 425ci engine -

1966 Oldsmobile Toronado
Specifications:
Engine: 425.2 cu in/6967cc OHV V-8, 1×4-barrel Rochester Quadrajet carburetor
Power and torque (SAE gross): 385 hp @ 4800 rpm, 475 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm

cheers, Maka

Then there were the 472 and 500cid FWD Eldorados .

Incredible cars, especially with the soft top down.

Cheers.

OzJavelin · 10-04-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Maka

I was waiting for someone to mention the Tornado lol, a American legend car that started the performance fwd cars craze all those years ago.

Fwd smoke machine of the highest order with that big 425ci engine -

1966 Oldsmobile Toronado
Specifications:
Engine: 425.2 cu in/6967cc OHV V-8, 1×4-barrel Rochester Quadrajet carburetor
Power and torque (SAE gross): 385 hp @ 4800 rpm, 475 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm

cheers, Maka

Toronado mimics the original American FWD car .. the Cord ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_810/812

OzJavelin · 10-04-2018, 10:24 AM

Also depends on your definition of "fun"?
Rear-engined, RWD cars can be very "engaging" ;)

Maka · 10-04-2018, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Also depends on your definition of "fun"?
Rear-engined, RWD cars can be very "engaging" ;)

Yep, also either very dangerous, very expensive or both..

Early Porche's & a certain US built car while very underated also apparently in the right (wrong?) circumstances very dangerous - the Chevrolet Corvair which a certain AFF member posting in this thread also owns hey lol!!

https://www.coolridesonline.net/news...nader-claimed/

cheers, Maka

OzJavelin · 10-04-2018, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Maka

Yep, also either very dangerous, very expensive or both..

Early Porche's & a certain US built car while very underated also apparently in the right (wrong?) circumstances very dangerous - the Chevrolet Corvair which a certain AFF member posting in this thread also owns hey lol!!

https://www.coolridesonline.net/news...nader-claimed/

cheers, Maka

Yes

Mine is a second-generation model with IRS (not swingaxle). Once you get used to the weight in the back - and after I put wide rear tyres and a front chin spoiler - it's actually a great little thing to throw around. I can entirely see how the Porsche boys get over-confident to the point of no return .....

adz137 · 10-04-2018, 11:00 AM

I love RWD, all my previous cars have been RWD (silvia, skyline, fg xr6 turbo, fgx xr8). I also dont mind AWD cars if i had the funds i would be driving a Audi S4 or Mercedes C43 which are both AWD. I used to think all FWD cars were junk until i drove a Renault Megane RS 275. In a straight line my XR8 was faster but once you hit the twisty stuff there was no way the xr8 could keep up. Totally blew me away.

Maka · 10-04-2018, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by adz137

I love RWD, all my previous cars have been RWD (silvia, skyline, fg xr6 turbo, fgx xr8). I also dont mind AWD cars if i had the funds i would be driving a Audi S4 or Mercedes C43 which are both AWD. I used to think all FWD cars were junk until i drove a Renault Megane RS 275. In a straight line my XR8 was faster but once you hit the twisty stuff there was no way the xr8 could keep up. Totally blew me away.

To be fair, the Megane is a proper focused sports hatch were the Fgx Xr8 imo is a performance car more for straight-line stuff first, cornering second, not apples v apples.

A proper sports rwd would keep up np, i can think of a few Lotus's & others that would destroy the Megane but costing a lot more $$$ though & not so bfyb as the Renault.

For what it is though, the Megane is a remarkable car no matter which wheels are driven.

cheers, Maka

**solarite_guy** · 10-04-2018, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Toronado mimics the original American FWD car .. the Cord ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_810/812

I thought Cord borrowed from Harry Miller?

**solarite_guy** · 10-04-2018, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Yes

Mine is a second-generation model with IRS (not swingaxle). Once you get used to the weight in the back - and after I put wide rear tyres and a front chin spoiler - it's actually a great little thing to throw around. I can entirely see how the Porsche boys get over-confident to the point of no return .....

Was it the '65 when the IRS was introduced?

Speaking of Toranados and Eldorados, both great contributors for the shade tree engineers to make mid-engined Corvairs.

au350hp · 10-04-2018, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Always had RWD stuff .. but a first gen Oldsmobile Toronado - FWD and 425V8 - is on my bucket list:

image

Right on OzJavelin. An awesome car way ahead of its time. Jay Leno has one on youtube worth a look. Also quite reasonable to buy. BB FWD is crazy! Speaking of RWD rear engine, a good friend has a brown 911T with some serious work done to it. I have stained my undies a few times in that thing....

Mercury Bullet · 10-04-2018, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Maka

To be fair, the Megane is a proper focused sports hatch were the Fgx Xr8 imo is a performance car more for straight-line stuff first, cornering second, not apples v apples.

A proper sports rwd would keep up np, i can think of a few Lotus's & others that would destroy the Megane but costing a lot more $$$ though & not so bfyb as the Renault.

For what it is though, the Megane is a remarkable car no matter which wheels are driven.

cheers, Maka

I was watching a Megane RS at barbagallo a couple of weeks ago and once corners went beyond 90° the understeer was astonishing, it couldn't stay on the track. Both turn in and exit were compromised, the rwd escorts ate it.

OzJavelin · 10-04-2018, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by solarite_guy

Was it the '65 when the IRS was introduced?

Yep .. 1965 .. Before Mr Nader's infamous book came out.
His book actually INCREASED the lifespan of the Corvair.
Chev was ready to ditch it as a sales failure against "standard" configured Falcon/Mustang, Valiant, etc but shutting it down after Naders book was seen as an admission of guilt, so GM mandated continued production with only regulatory changes.
The 1965 model continued until 1969 basically as-is (very unusual for American cars at the time).

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Originally Posted by solarite_guy

Speaking of Torinados and Eldorados, both great contributors for the shade tree engineers to make mid-engined Corvairs.

Yes .. we haven't discussed handling dynamics of mid-engined vehicles yet? ;)
Companies like Crown sold kits to mid-engine V8s in Corvairs ... interesting ...

Maka · 10-04-2018, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

I was watching a Megane RS at barbagallo a couple of weeks ago and once corners went beyond 90° the understeer was astonishing, it couldn't stay on the track. Both turn in and exit were compromised, the rwd escorts ate it.

Im not surprised MB, although imo the understeer can be tuned out with some really good suspension tweaking & maybe a adjustable lsd though, it would probably need some very expensive race suspension & lsd to do it but lol.

cheers, Maka

roKWiz · 10-04-2018, 02:28 PM

Some of those little Alfa GTV's were well balanced cars for their time RWD front engine, rear gearbox.
Problem was most rusted out before any long term reliability issues arose.

blueoval · 10-04-2018, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

It was that or the old bell bottoms. Long live the RWD dinosaur.

Those days were the best. If you were lucky, you got a seat belt in the front passenger seat.

Air con/ power steering and 8 track players were for the rich.

roKWiz · 10-04-2018, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

Those days were the best. If you were lucky, you got a seat belt in the front passenger seat.

Air con/ power steering and 8 track players were for the rich.

I must have been wealthy then as I had an 8 track and honeycomb wheels LE.

Bossxr8 · 10-04-2018, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Personal opinion and preference which one is more fun, which one is faster around the twists, no question the FWD.

We have 10km of twisty country road to get to the motorway on my drive to work, and I can guarantee that our $900 stock standard Toyota Starlet 1.3 litre manual FWD will pretty much eat any Falcon/Commodore even with modded suspension along that stretch of road.

That particular stretch does not really allow you to take advantage of the power, so 6 or V8 won't matter.

And that's coming from a person that has driver RWD V8's since the 80's, including XR8's and FPV's/GT's.

Hardly comparing apples with apples. Of course a tiny lightweight car is going to corner quicker on a twisty road.

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Always had RWD stuff .. but a first gen Oldsmobile Toronado - FWD and 425V8 - is on my bucket list:

I always wondered how it didn't rip the drivers arms off with torque steer with the big block torque off the line. How did they prevent this?