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Old 12-01-2017, 08:53 PM   #91
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170k is laughable. More expensive than an M4, C63 etc.
If it sells then it isn't laughable. If FPV made an FG-X GT-HO with the 5.8L Trinity pumping out 493kw and all the requisite chassis upgrades to handle the power, we all here would be circle jerking something fierce. And so we should be, just like Holden fans will be. This will be the best and final car ever made in Australia.
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If it sells then it isn't laughable. If FPV made an FG-X GT-HO with the 5.8L Trinity pumping out 493kw and all the requisite chassis upgrades to handle the power, we all here would be circle jerking something fierce. And so we should be, just like Holden fans will be. This will be the best and final car ever made in Australia.
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Old 12-01-2017, 10:04 PM   #93
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The last hipo aussie v8. It will sell for whatever they ask, and collectors will get their money back and then some in 30 years, just like they did on GTHO's.
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The last hipo aussie v8. It will sell for whatever they ask, and collectors will get their money back and then some in 30 years, just like they did on GTHO's.
It still hasn't happened with the VS GTS-R as you can now buy them for half the original outlay.

What something will be worth in time is such a fickle thing I'd hate to be gambling my money on it.

And giving almost all will be garage queens unlike most of the well used race bred GTHO's you'd have to think there will be too many pristine examples locked away to help push the collectability price up.
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[QUOTE=LoudPipes;5852654]It still hasn't happened with the VS GTS-R as you can now buy them for half the original outlay.

They were 76k when they were new or 86k if you ticked the blueprint engine option. I would love to know where I could get one for under 40k.
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That new green colour on the GtsR looks sick!

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It wasn't the last.
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I would buy one if I was a "cashed up" bogan, rather than just the relatively povvo bogan I am.
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It still hasn't happened with the VS GTS-R as you can now buy them for half the original outlay.
Have you seen any selling for half the original price ie sub 40k?

If you have or know of one for that money PM me please
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These ones went last year, for quite a bit more than $40k...

https://www.australianmusclecarsales...-build-no.html
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Have you seen any selling for half the original price ie sub 40k?

If you have or know of one for that money PM me please
Surely there are only a handful of fools lining up to drop nearly six figures on these over rated things? Save a house desposit and pick up the better looking senator instead.
They were/are nothing special to warrant the asking prices for them in recent times. A **** factor rear wing, stand out colour and carbon fibre bits... And power level the same as that on a base model BMW 540i or MB E420.
Their asking prices (same as EB, EL GT, BF Cobra) have ridden on the wave of the boom for the classic Bathurst legends... Something the GTS-R isn't.

Fair to say that Aussie muscle started to up its game with the AU and VT series 2, to now where the VF is a viable alternative to some of the Euro stuff. Safe bet HSVs send off model will be more sought after than everything post Group A before it.
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Surely there are only a handful of fools lining up to drop nearly six figures on these over rated things? Save a house desposit and pick up the better looking senator instead.
They were/are nothing special to warrant the asking prices for them in recent times. A **** factor rear wing, stand out colour and carbon fibre bits... And power level the same as that on a base model BMW 540i or MB E420.
Their asking prices (same as EB, EL GT, BF Cobra) have ridden on the wave of the boom for the classic Bathurst legends... Something the GTS-R isn't.

Fair to say that Aussie muscle started to up its game with the AU and VT series 2, to now where the VF is a viable alternative to some of the Euro stuff. Safe bet HSVs send off model will be more sought after than everything post Group A before it.
I had a VS Senator. I was a bit of a VS tragic hence I like the old GTSR.
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I had a VS Senator. I was a bit of a VS tragic hence I like the old GTSR.
Me too. I was a kid when the old man had VN-VS, and have a soft spot for them. But $70k plus for the GTSR, stupid money, no justification behind it.
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Exciting times at HSV for the moment until the commodore is gone, will be interesting to see the performance times..
I'm sure HSV will claim some BS time, but in reality there's a fair chance it will just be a wheel spinning nightmare off the line. I would expect in the real world that times will only match the GTS.

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A close friend works at a HSV dealership in inner Melbourne. He pulled out a 2 page list of people who had handed him deposits for one last time I saw him. There was over 30 names, he said only the first 4 will be getting one if they're lucky. I'd definitely buy one! Same goes for a W427 though.
Just like the W427, they had hundreds of deposits but ended up only selling half what they planned cause they all baulked at the 120k asking price. If this is 170k watch the same thing happen here.
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I remember when someone in our then-suburb bought one of those GTS-R's brand new.

His house would have not cost that much more (I suppose maybe double that of the GTS-R).

In today's perspective, that's sort of like owning a $1m house, and having a $500k car.
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One was spotted today in tow on the way to Lara for some testing id say, i cant find the article though, but there was a picture in it.
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One was spotted today in tow on the way to Lara for some testing id say, i cant find the article though, but there was a picture in it.
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I think that's the Gen F 3 Clubby and not th GTS r
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I think that's the Gen F 3 Clubby and not th GTS r
Well there you go, i dont follow em too closely so assumed it was. It actually wasnt the article i found. There was a white car with camo on the rear being towed.
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Surely there are only a handful of fools lining up to drop nearly six figures on these over rated things? Save a house desposit and pick up the better looking senator instead.
They were/are nothing special to warrant the asking prices for them in recent times. A **** factor rear wing, stand out colour and carbon fibre bits... And power level the same as that on a base model BMW 540i or MB E420.
Their asking prices (same as EB, EL GT, BF Cobra) have ridden on the wave of the boom for the classic Bathurst legends... Something the GTS-R isn't.

Fair to say that Aussie muscle started to up its game with the AU and VT series 2, to now where the VF is a viable alternative to some of the Euro stuff. Safe bet HSVs send off model will be more sought after than everything post Group A before it.
Until the VT2 HSV the GTS-R was top dog for power for four years in the HSV world. Thats a long time. Imo it's got the best interior and the best engine Holden created in that decade. Never mind Euro power numbers because they're nothing a like. Strokers were the **** and still are.
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One was spotted today in tow on the way to Lara for some testing id say, i cant find the article though, but there was a picture in it.
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They don't test Holdens in Lara.
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They don't test Holdens in Lara.
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If it sells then it isn't laughable. If FPV made an FG-X GT-HO with the 5.8L Trinity pumping out 493kw and all the requisite chassis upgrades to handle the power, we all here would be circle jerking something fierce. And so we should be, just like Holden fans will be. This will be the best and final car ever made in Australia.
Well said, saying 170 will be laughable is just stupid in my eyes. Last one ever, last of the breed blah blah.
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One was spotted today in tow on the way to Lara for some testing id say, i cant find the article though, but there was a picture in it.
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The rear bumper looks very Civic Type-Rish.
I like it but not in that colour though.
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A lot of would-be "investors" are going to be badly, badly burned in buying last Falcons and HSV's for future profits.

Even if they get more than they paid, it can still easily be a major loss after counting costs and inflation against other better investments.

Even a GTHO bought in 1971 for $5K and sold for $500K today would struggle to match a similar property investment. If you count paying no rent for 45+ years, then the GTHO is a dead loss. I bought my first house in 1972 for $6,600, now it's worth $500K.

It is unlikely any future aussie car will perform as an investment as well as the HO has done - this happened for special reasons, probably never to be repeated.

Buy one of these last cars to flog and enjoy for a few years, then sell it for 40% of what you paid, and you will be in front compared to mothballing it and getting no pleasure from it.

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They were/are nothing special to warrant the asking prices for them in recent times. A **** factor rear wing, stand out colour and carbon fibre bits... And power level the same as that on a base model BMW 540i or MB E420.
Their asking prices (same as EB, EL GT, BF Cobra) have ridden on the wave of the boom for the classic Bathurst legends... Something the GTS-R isn't.

Fair to say that Aussie muscle started to up its game with the AU and VT series 2, to now where the VF is a viable alternative to some of the Euro stuff. Safe bet HSVs send off model will be more sought after than everything post Group A before it.
Fools don't have that sort of money.
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A lot of would-be "investors" are going to be badly, badly burned in buying last Falcons and HSV's for future profits.

Even if they get more than they paid, it can still easily be a major loss after counting costs and inflation against other better investments.

Even a GTHO bought in 1971 for $5K and sold for $500K today would struggle to match a similar property investment. If you count paying no rent for 45+ years, then the GTHO is a dead loss. I bought my first house in 1972 for $6,600, now it's worth $500K.

It is unlikely any future aussie car will perform as an investment as well as the HO has done - this happened for special reasons, probably never to be repeated.

Buy one of these last cars to flog and enjoy for a few years, then sell it for 40% of what you paid, and you will be in front compared to mothballing it and getting no pleasure from it.

Ho Hum.
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A lot of would-be "investors" are going to be badly, badly burned in buying last Falcons and HSV's for future profits.

Even if they get more than they paid, it can still easily be a major loss after counting costs and inflation against other better investments.

Even a GTHO bought in 1971 for $5K and sold for $500K today would struggle to match a similar property investment. If you count paying no rent for 45+ years, then the GTHO is a dead loss. I bought my first house in 1972 for $6,600, now it's worth $500K.

It is unlikely any future aussie car will perform as an investment as well as the HO has done - this happened for special reasons, probably never to be repeated.

Buy one of these last cars to flog and enjoy for a few years, then sell it for 40% of what you paid, and you will be in front compared to mothballing it and getting no pleasure from it.

Ho Hum.
Yep and if you left that money untouched in a term deposit for 45 years you would have even more.

Buying cars in the hope that they will make money over time is nothing but a folly. Most if not all would also need a full rebuild/restoration in that timeframe too.

The only ones who will make money are the manufacturers themselves.

The only car I can think of that would give good gains is the Phase 4...good luck with that.

PS. You must have had a small house, in 1972 we paid $17,000 for 3 bedrooms in the Perth nthn suburbs.
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PS. You must have had a small house, in 1972 we paid $17,000 for 3 bedrooms in the Perth nthn suburbs.

Yep, it was a small house in outer Brisbane - 9 squares of high-set Fibro 3 bed, base quality spec house. Basically a dump, even when new. The same type of house sold for $17,000 about 12 months later when inflation started to hit.

Nonetheless, that little dump is now worth $500K - mostly location and land value.
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Yep and if you left that money untouched in a term deposit for 45 years you would have even more.

Buying cars in the hope that they will make money over time is nothing but a folly. Most if not all would also need a full rebuild/restoration in that timeframe too.

The only ones who will make money are the manufacturers themselves.

The only car I can think of that would give good gains is the Phase 4...good luck with that.

PS. You must have had a small house, in 1972 we paid $17,000 for 3 bedrooms in the Perth nthn suburbs.
Speaking of investments , if someone bought 5000 bitcoins in June 2009 (about $0.50 worth) they would be worth 4,000,000 right now.
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