PCM BEM and Key Programming / Communication For AU Falcons...

te5000 · 14-04-2017, 02:20 PM

Hi guys, looking for a little advice / assistance
Firstly gotta say that I have a couple of AU Fords, both V8's and are fantastic to drive.
Anyway a few years back I had to get the local ford dealer / mechanic around to the house to re establish the hand shake between Key Coder, BEM and PCM. This was done as a favour then but now the dealer wont assist and wants to slug horrific money for a non guaranteed result.
Problem has arisen again but this time my father in laws car (AU Forte). that was when local dealer gave price indications which shocked the father inlaw as he is a pensioner that simply cannot afford such a bill. I was able to get around the fault by replacing the ignition barrel, BEM and PCM from the same car, now theirs is running ok.

From my understanding the car lost its "hand shake" between above mentioned components, smart shield was enabled locking out the starter motor. All caused by some one trying to start the car with a flat battery

Now my questions are:

1, Besides heading to Ford to get the Hand shake Re-established is there some one else that can do the same?
2, Is there a device I can buy that can perform the same function (Re-establish Hand Shake)?
3, If there is a device has anybody used it? Basically I now have another AU ford parked in my garage that I cannot move with out towing it.

Thanks in advance Stu

**rayban76** · 14-04-2017, 02:22 PM

Hello mate,
Where are you located, I am in ACT and can do the programming.

You can buy the equipment but it's expensive

Ray

te5000 · 14-04-2017, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rayban76

Hello mate,
Where are you located, I am in ACT and can do the programming.

You can buy the equipment but it's expensive

Ray

Hi Ray. Am in Southeast Melbourne.

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**rayban76** · 14-04-2017, 06:02 PM

Bugga sorry mate I'm no help then

te5000 · 14-04-2017, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rayban76

Hello mate,
Where are you located, I am in ACT and can do the programming.

You can buy the equipment but it's expensive

Ray

I guess that with planning on keeping the cars obviously depending on cost... buying the equipment may be ok

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**rayban76** · 14-04-2017, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by te5000

I guess that with planning on keeping the cars obviously depending on cost... buying the equipment may be ok

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Not at 3k mate, you just buy another car for that lol

te5000 · 14-04-2017, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rayban76

Not at 3k mate, you just buy another car for that lol

Yeah for mine though its a bit hard to buy another Tseries just to score the pcm bem and ignition...

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te5000 · 14-04-2017, 06:54 PM

Hi again Ray. Am interested I guess in the equipment..... can I ask what it is ?

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**rayban76** · 14-04-2017, 06:55 PM

Ford VCM mate, you pays yearly license for it

te5000 · 14-04-2017, 06:56 PM

Oh heck thats pretty ordinary.
Thanks very much FORD

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**rayban76** · 14-04-2017, 06:57 PM

Yeah mate

mcfly94 · 14-04-2017, 07:07 PM

Ask around some more ford dealers, putting it short some will look after you.

Sox · 14-04-2017, 07:13 PM

Just get an ELM327 from Ebay for ~$20 and download Forscan, works a treat.

te5000 · 14-04-2017, 07:29 PM

Can Forscan reset, recreate the hand shake between all components

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Tickford. · 14-04-2017, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sox

Just get an ELM327 from Ebay for ~$20 and download Forscan, works a treat.

I think I read a post by you saying you had successfully re-coded. I know that it might be time consuming, but would you mind posting step by step instructions in the AU forum that could perhaps be a sticky? Would be a great help.

te5000 · 14-04-2017, 08:01 PM

I think it would be a great help for all people with an AU for now and in future and not just myself

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Sox · 14-04-2017, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by te5000

Can Forscan reset, recreate the hand shake between all components

Yep, it's called a PATS reset.

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Originally Posted by xxxg

I think I read a post by you saying you had successfully re-coded. I know that it might be time consuming, but would you mind posting step by step instructions in the AU forum that could perhaps be a sticky? Would be a great help.

It's not something I've memorised, just follow the onscreen prompts from Forscan.

snap0964 · 14-04-2017, 08:46 PM

Yeah, with an ELM327, Forscan has had PATS reset capability for over a year.
http://www.fordmods.com/fordmods-tec...te-t67420.html
http://www.fordmods.com/ecu-fuel-sys...cs-t92497.html

superroo · 14-04-2017, 11:31 PM

Last time I had the BEM and ECU paired by Ford it cost under $100.
I had available for them both sets of keys, the old BEM and the car was taken to them.
It was over 5 years ago though

te5000 · 15-04-2017, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sox

Yep, it's called a PATS reset.

It's not something I've memorised, just follow the onscreen prompts from Forscan.

Looks like I will buy an ELM and see how we go, if this works it will change the demands that Ford put on us AU owners

te5000 · 15-04-2017, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by superroo

Last time I had the BEM and ECU paired by Ford it cost under $100.
I had available for them both sets of keys, the old BEM and the car was taken to them.
It was over 5 years ago though

Last time I had the dealer come to me, had everything they needed as it was at home. Oh the dealer was great back then and did it for no charge, now they wont do house calls. (I did give the service manager a bottle of bourbon later).

The big problem here is my driveway is not suitable for a flat bed truck or a car trailer to be used. The garage is at the top of a steep driveway. Then now also the local dealer was quoting around $170 per hour and no idea if it would work.....

Sox · 15-04-2017, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by te5000

Looks like I will buy an ELM and see how we go, if this works it will change the demands that Ford put on us AU owners

It's pretty straight forward.
You'll need to register with Forscan to do the PATS programming, which gives you 3 months access to PATS at a time for security.

The rest of Forscans functions are always available and also very handy.

te5000 · 18-04-2017, 09:12 PM

well have ordered (couple of days ago an elm327 from the flebay), will see if it gets here in the next few days, then see what we can do.
I also see and have already downloaded the Pats reset programs for the AU Ford... see how we go.............

te5000 · 01-05-2017, 10:25 AM

FYI. the ELM arrived the afternoon b4 i had to leave. But did play around with a bit. Plenty of help from tech support at Forscan so sounds like i will be able to make the repairs... will find out in a month or so

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sooty43 · 20-05-2017, 11:15 AM

A mate of mine has a similar problem. He has been given a well looked after old AU wagon.He has cut a key from the boot lock and Ford is happy to make the wagon a goer for a mere $450. The car looks good but if the motor is stuffed he is $450 plus towing down the drain.
My question is, if he buys a Forscan will this do the job?

te5000 · 21-05-2017, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sooty43

A mate of mine has a similar problem. He has been given a well looked after old AU wagon.He has cut a key from the boot lock and Ford is happy to make the wagon a goer for a mere $450. The car looks good but if the motor is stuffed he is $450 plus towing down the drain.
My question is, if he buys a Forscan will this do the job?

I bought the elm. I have not had the chance to try but forscan gave me the run down on how to do it so i am hopeful. It will be 4 or 5 weeks b4 the opportunity to try

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Sox · 21-05-2017, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sooty43

A mate of mine has a similar problem. He has been given a well looked after old AU wagon.He has cut a key from the boot lock and Ford is happy to make the wagon a goer for a mere $450. The car looks good but if the motor is stuffed he is $450 plus towing down the drain.
My question is, if he buys a Forscan will this do the job?

Forscan can do a PATS, so yes it will marry new keys.

16-06-2017, 02:11 AM

I'm looking forward to doing this with my AU2.

But I was wondering what Bluetooth modules would be compatible with the Android version of Forscan?

I would presume from this thread that any ELM327 bluetooth module should work?
http://forscan.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21

te5000 · 27-06-2017, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sox

Forscan can do a PATS, so yes it will marry new keys.

Hey Sox,
Finally at home with the ELM, and Forcan license etc, had a new key cut that was programmed from the original.
Here is the next problem the car will only recognise one key so the Pats reset fails, both keys are recognized (first one in the ignition only), when the second is put in the system times out with a reset fail...
Had another chip put in the new key but with the same result...

Any ideas?

te5000 · 28-06-2017, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by te5000

Hey Sox,
Finally at home with the ELM, and Forcan license etc, had a new key cut that was programmed from the original.
Here is the next problem the car will only recognise one key so the Pats reset fails, both keys are recognized (first one in the ignition only), when the second is put in the system times out with a reset fail...
Had another chip put in the new key but with the same result...

Any ideas?

Hey guys.
Pats reset works and saves a fortune in cost with Ford.
Did the job using a newly cut key with out a transponder in it (held an old spare key against the new one) then the seco d key was the original ignition key.
Once the pats reset was done a system reset had to be done.
As soon as that was done the key/pcm/bem was all connected again and car now starts and runs!
Thanks for the help guys

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