Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated.

Go Back   Australian Ford Forums > General Topics > The Pub

The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-07-2018, 09:27 PM   #61
MrZ
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
MrZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 605
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit View Post
Territory sales figures are why we get no Petrol option in Endura. They were hard to sell, the figures and holding days don't lie, the only reason Petrol Territory lasted till the end was to help keep Geelong pumping.
Hard to sell? I'm not so sure. Territory was selling quite well before the diesel engine was introduced, and current resale values show that the diesel and petrol models both sell for about the same amount on the used market.
MrZ is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 10-07-2018, 09:34 AM   #62
Smoke Pursuit
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 22,967
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: DASH/bfiipursuit has been alot of help over the years I have frequented this forum, lots of thoughtful and informed posts, very much a valued contributor. 
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrZ View Post
Hard to sell? I'm not so sure. Territory was selling quite well before the diesel engine was introduced, and current resale values show that the diesel and petrol models both sell for about the same amount on the used market.

Petrols were harder to sell then Diesels new. They had alot longer holding days in comparison when they were brought into stock. Im talking purely diesel vs petrol here, not SY vs SZ.
__________________
2022 RAM Laramie 5.7 V8 Here & awesome!
2023.50 Ranger Wildtrak 3.0 Premium Pack, 20 inch wheels.
2024 Everest Sport 3.0 V6 Touring Pack
Smoke Pursuit is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 10-07-2018, 09:48 AM   #63
Dr Smith
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Melb.
Posts: 4,377
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit View Post
Petrols were harder to sell then Diesels new. They had alot longer holding days in comparison when they were brought into stock. Im talking purely diesel vs petrol here, not SY vs SZ.
I agree, when I replaced our SZ diesel with an SZII diesel last Feb there were mostly petrols still available and the sales split always favoured tdi's. I'm thinking however where Ford don't have to "protect" any local manufacturing now they should bring in these hipo versions of Endura etc..but of course the Fed. government has to play ball and get rid of our adr's or align them with Europe and reduce the cost of compliance of different versions of the same model,as we have discussed earlier.
Dr Smith is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 10-07-2018, 02:19 PM   #64
Bossxr8
Peter Car
 
Bossxr8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: geelong
Posts: 23,192
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpd80
Thank you, a glimmer of hope
There was a thread about it, and a link to an article from one of the auto news websites where one of the Ford execs mentions they are looking at the explorer. In the pub earlier in the year.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Smith
Just wondering, with the ending of sedans in the USA announced, would they need some increased production volume that could easily happen with some RHD builds if rhd models are also developed in future. Also do they "batch-build" rhd Mustang now and Edge/Endura in Canada?
They don't batch build anything. Everything is mixed together going down the line these days.
Bossxr8 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 10-07-2018, 02:23 PM   #65
Fordman1
Donating Member
Donating Member3
 
Fordman1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,512
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bossxr8 View Post
There was a thread about it, and a link to an article from one of the auto news websites where one of the Ford execs mentions they are looking at the explorer. In the pub earlier in the year.



They don't batch build anything. Everything is mixed together going down the line these days.
all of the working stations.

^^^^^ This

Automotive manufacturers don’t batch build, thay balance the line by mixing products to keep a constant cadence through all workstations.
Fordman1 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 10-07-2018, 02:34 PM   #66
Dr Smith
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Melb.
Posts: 4,377
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bossxr8 View Post
There was a thread about it, and a link to an article from one of the auto news websites where one of the Ford execs mentions they are looking at the explorer. In the pub earlier in the year.



They don't batch build anything. Everything is mixed together going down the line these days.
So then we just need to get here, the UK, South Africans, and any orther rhd market "to grow some" and demand a hipo version.
Dr Smith is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 10-07-2018, 05:01 PM   #67
Syndrome
Ford screwed the Falcon
 
Syndrome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 6,840
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bevsta007 View Post
could of should of had the v6 ecoboost in Falcon & territory. would have set them up better for now..
Nope. They tried that in 2007 and changed their mind in 2008.
__________________
Falcon: 1960 - 2016

My cars

Current ride
2016 FG X XR6 - 6 speed manual

Previous rides
2009 FG XR6 - 6 speed auto
2006 BF MkII XT ESP - 6 speed auto
2003 BA XT V8 - 5 speed manual
1999 AU Forte - 5 speed manual
1997 EL Fairmont - 4 speed auto
1990 EAII Fairmont Ghia - 4 speed auto
Syndrome is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 10-07-2018, 05:27 PM   #68
jpd80
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
jpd80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 11,169
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Thoughtful contributions to our community 
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Smith
Just wondering, with the ending of sedans in the USA announced, would they need some increased production volume that could easily happen with some RHD builds if rhd models are also developed in future. Also do they "batch-build" rhd Mustang now and Edge/Endura in Canada?
One in every ten Mustangs built is a RHD, I expect RHD Edge is built similar to
standardise the product mix, line speed and delivery of parts from suppliers.
jpd80 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 10-07-2018, 09:59 PM   #69
Sprintey
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Sprintey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Catland
Posts: 3,349
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
Reading sales reports of Aussie designed CD4 Taurus in China, very disappointing that
the big car sell barely 1,000 a month, maybe try here as our "Commodore " alternative..
Gotta be better than Mondeo's 160 sales.
I don't think it would be. Even Commodore with it's historic name, when turned into a FWD, is only selling a shadow of its former self. The whole segment is on the nose, how would a bigger FWD with a Ford badge rather than Holden or Camry, and name last given to an ovoid disaster do better than the long established yet completely ignored Mondeo? Avalon, Malibu, Epica - need I go on?

As to why it's not selling in China I have no idea. Maybe they like RWD?
__________________
I6 + AWD
Sprintey is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 10-07-2018, 10:04 PM   #70
Sprintey
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Sprintey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Catland
Posts: 3,349
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit View Post
Petrols were harder to sell then Diesels new. They had alot longer holding days in comparison when they were brought into stock. Im talking purely diesel vs petrol here, not SY vs SZ.
Petrol was RWD only affair in SZ. If you wanted AWD, you had to get the diesel. If only they had petrol AWD right to the end...
__________________
I6 + AWD
Sprintey is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 10-07-2018, 10:53 PM   #71
arronm
BA/F6 BF/F6 SSV/R TTG
 
arronm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Perth
Posts: 7,256
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Nice facts, I wasnt aware. If only they had turbo petrol AWD till the end.
__________________
BA BF FPV starter button repairs. PM me.


Nizpro equipped and Tuned by the BEST in the west
Xtreme Ford Tuning

479RwKw Fuel limited, more pumps and power too come.

F6#0507 & #0639 Pro racer and Tech expert

NIZPRO modifying falcons like Premcar can only dream of , see VIDEO below.
https://youtu.be/oa4IfguGQ-A
arronm is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 12-07-2018, 08:50 AM   #72
Vesper Martini
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Vesper Martini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Victoria
Posts: 7,864
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Syndrome View Post
Nope. They tried that in 2007 and changed their mind in 2008.
You mean decided to keep Geelong running, wasn't aware they tried / Trialed the V6 Ecoboost? any info?
__________________
______________________________
2015 Territory Titanium RWD Diesel - SOLD
2016 BMW X5 xdrive 30D Msport
Seadoo Challenger 210SE 310HP
Vesper Martini is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 12-07-2018, 09:13 AM   #73
Vesper Martini
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Vesper Martini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Victoria
Posts: 7,864
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprintey View Post
Petrol was RWD only affair in SZ. If you wanted AWD, you had to get the diesel. If only they had petrol AWD right to the end...
Why? I've owned 2 Territory's both RWD, it does the job and uses less fuel.
__________________
______________________________
2015 Territory Titanium RWD Diesel - SOLD
2016 BMW X5 xdrive 30D Msport
Seadoo Challenger 210SE 310HP
Vesper Martini is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
3 users like this post:
Old 12-07-2018, 02:07 PM   #74
Bossxr8
Peter Car
 
Bossxr8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: geelong
Posts: 23,192
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bevsta007 View Post
You mean decided to keep Geelong running, wasn't aware they tried / Trialed the V6 Ecoboost? any info?
They trial fitted a few NA V6's, but as far as i'm aware there were no plans for an ecoboost version.
Bossxr8 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 12-07-2018, 03:43 PM   #75
Vesper Martini
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Vesper Martini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Victoria
Posts: 7,864
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

That's right here was talk of using the Duratec 3.5 cyclone V6.
I think just because it was available at the time.
__________________
______________________________
2015 Territory Titanium RWD Diesel - SOLD
2016 BMW X5 xdrive 30D Msport
Seadoo Challenger 210SE 310HP
Vesper Martini is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 12-07-2018, 05:18 PM   #76
jpd80
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
jpd80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 11,169
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Thoughtful contributions to our community 
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bevsta007 View Post
That's right here was talk of using the Duratec 3.5 cyclone V6.
I think just because it was available at the time.
It was part of a deal, take Focus production, give up I-6 and import V6.
There was a belief that the I-6 would take lots of work to meet Euro 4
but using T6 project emissions program proved it could be done for $20 M.

At the same time, Asian nations threw up walls that stopped Ford exporting
territory and also Focus if built in Australia. Fitting he V6 to the Falcon was
found to be problematic, much wider and taller requiring reworking of the
inner aprons and a bonnet bulge not unlike FPV Boss equipped vehicles.
jpd80 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
5 users like this post:
Old 12-07-2018, 07:10 PM   #77
Fordman1
Donating Member
Donating Member3
 
Fordman1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,512
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
It was part of a deal, take Focus production, give up I-6 and import V6.
There was a belief that the I-6 would take lots of work to meet Euro 4
but using T6 project emissions program proved it could be done for $20 M.

At the same time, Asian nations threw up walls that stopped Ford exporting
territory and also Focus if built in Australia. Fitting he V6 to the Falcon was
found to be problematic, much wider and taller requiring reworking of the
inner aprons and a bonnet bulge not unlike FPV Boss equipped vehicles.
From what I understand, the Thai free trade agreement was a big part of what killed Focus production here.
Fordman1 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 13-07-2018, 12:00 PM   #78
jpd80
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
jpd80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 11,169
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Thoughtful contributions to our community 
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

They signed the FTA but the put legal capacity taxes on imports
Which added huge amount to Terry’s price tag, pity we didn’t reciprocate
jpd80 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 13-07-2018, 12:57 PM   #79
Nikked
Oo\===/oO
 
Nikked's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tamworth
Posts: 11,367
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Long time member, loves Fords, sensible contributor and does some good and interesting posts. 
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

it put the territory up to an un affordable price if i remember correctly. Sneaky politics.
__________________





Check out my Photo-chop page

T...I...C...K...F...O...R...D
\≡≡T≡≡/
Nikked is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 13-07-2018, 01:03 PM   #80
Vesper Martini
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Vesper Martini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Victoria
Posts: 7,864
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Yep they were $100K Pointless exercise.
https://www.goauto.com.au/news/ford/...-07/22496.html
__________________
______________________________
2015 Territory Titanium RWD Diesel - SOLD
2016 BMW X5 xdrive 30D Msport
Seadoo Challenger 210SE 310HP
Vesper Martini is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 13-07-2018, 07:02 PM   #81
danzvtil
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
danzvtil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,582
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

FTAs aren’t signed purely for automotive gain. How many extra millions of tonnes of food or grain can we export under this FTA? Thailand was never going to go nuts over an Aussie built car.
__________________
____________________

2019 LDV G10
2009 Mitsubishi Express-GONE
2011 Honda Jazz
____________________
danzvtil is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 15-07-2018, 11:17 AM   #82
csv8
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
csv8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Central Q..10kms west of Rocky...
Posts: 8,307
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

There was an ad for the Holden Commodore ZB on Sunrise this morning. It wasn't being driven gently. Basically, " we have thrown everything at it. so its right for Australia" First ad I have seen for The Holden Commodore ZB.
__________________
CSGhia
csv8 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 15-07-2018, 11:35 AM   #83
Fordman1
Donating Member
Donating Member3
 
Fordman1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,512
Default Re: June 2018 vFacts

Quote:
Originally Posted by danzvtil View Post
FTAs aren’t signed purely for automotive gain. How many extra millions of tonnes of food or grain can we export under this FTA? Thailand was never going to go nuts over an Aussie built car.
I think it is the opposite, it was easier to built Focus in Thailand and import it Tarif free.
Fordman1 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 01:11 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Other than what is legally copyrighted by the respective owners, this site is copyright www.fordforums.com.au
Positive SSL