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Old 08-09-2018, 03:30 PM   #1381
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17 seconds is unacceptable for an offroad 4x4 but somehow 16.39 IS acceptable for a road car?
Faster than your Ranger bud and it only has one turbo
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Faster than your Ranger bud and it only has one turbo
My Ranger also has only one turbo.
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I'm not against dual cab utes - I quite like the American variants as it can fit 5 people in it, can fit things in the back and they go acceptably, I've also previously owned a GMC Sierra 3500 and F100 (both single cab).

I'm seeing a lot of people trying to defend the Ranger Raptor can fly over bumps and be mad off road - too bad it sucks in the other 99% of the time you drive the car, its not worthy of the 'Raptor' branding and it cheapens the brand, same as the HSV 'sportscat'.
"Raptor" Fords are about OFF ROAD performance, not about who can do the fastest Qtr mile on tarmac.. That misses the whole point... Nothing else you can buy new in Australia has anything like the Off Road capability of the RR.. And that's the point of the damn thing... Its targeted at those who will be taking them off road consistently.. At those people who would otherwise buy a Wildtrack and then spend $20k at ARB on Lifts, Better tyres, better suspension, etc... Now they don't need to, they can have the same thing with factory backing...

If you are buying a Ranger to be a Blacktop warrior, then stick to the XLT/Wildrak and save the $$$$. No use siting here whinging about something that we cant have (Ranger with the Ecoboost or whatever) over and over and over and over and over again... You want more engine options for ranger? Speak to Ford about it, talk to your dealer, talk to Ford themselves.. Tell them what you want from the next major Ranger update..

Otherwise, buy an F150 Raptor from a Grey Importer and have a blast...
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1/10th slower on the black stuff and only 4/10ths faster where its supposed to dominate for all the extra hardware.

Impressive..
Until you realise that the Raptor is nearly 200 Kg heavier and gives away a significant chunk of capacity.....

If anything, the Colorado came away with a black eye....
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"Raptor" Fords are about OFF ROAD performance, not about who can do the fastest Qtr mile on tarmac.. That misses the whole point... Nothing else you can buy new in Australia has anything like the Off Road capability of the RR.. And that's the point of the damn thing... Its targeted at those who will be taking them off road consistently.. At those people who would otherwise buy a Wildtrack and then spend $20k at ARB on Lifts, Better tyres, better suspension, etc... Now they don't need to, they can have the same thing with factory backing...

If you are buying a Ranger to be a Blacktop warrior, then stick to the XLT/Wildrak and save the $$$$. No use siting here whinging about something that we cant have (Ranger with the Ecoboost or whatever) over and over and over and over and over again... You want more engine options for ranger? Speak to Ford about it, talk to your dealer, talk to Ford themselves.. Tell them what you want from the next major Ranger update..

Otherwise, buy an F150 Raptor from a Grey Importer and have a blast...
So is the original F150 Raptor but it seemed to have a circa 6.2L V8 - so it is cheapening the brand.

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So is the original F150 Raptor but it seemed to have a circa 6.2L V8 - so it is cheapening the brand.
Actually, the 2011 Raptor came out with the 5.4 3V engine that was fitted
to a few B series Falcons So the original Raptor was criticized for not being
much better than the XLT 5.4, ditto for the 6.2 V8 and the 6.2 XLT

The criticism of Raptor engines didn't start with Ranger.....

We also don't know what these guys had to do to get this vehicle over the line.
My "guess" is that it had to have program engines (no outside sourced V engines)
2.3 EB came along well after lock in, so wasn't even a chance.

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On a bit of a lighter note I love these comparisons

They race the raptor against an i30 and a Sportscat hehe.

https://www.motoring.com.au/drag-rac...rtscat-114529/
They didn't do the i30 on the grass. :(

But as they say at the end, it's all a bit of fun. a V8 supercar loses a drag race against a stock car you can buy from the showroom too, it's all about using the cars as designed, and I don't recall Ford ever suggesting this is a vehicle for the drag strip.
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Any buyer that's comparing these is delusional, just like anyone buying a RR for an every day run around is... well, a twat.
And the Ram Laramie is too big for an every day run around, and 130k, which leaves 50k to install/engineer a 5.0 into the RR
Most RR buyers will be 'twats' given your reasoning. 90% of buyers won't avail themselves to the alleged benefits the RR has over a XLT/Wildtrak.

I accept the Larambie is too big for an everyday car for the likes of yourself, that's an issue that you need help with. There are plenty of folk with the competence to have one as a daily driver. As the article states, every order is pre sold.
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gives away a significant chunk of capacity..
Right, so what you're saying is that Raptor would perform better against Colorado if it had a bigger engine...hadn't thought of that

I was of the impression that an extra turbo and 4 more gears more than accounted for its milk bottle capacity..
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Right, so what you're saying is that Raptor would perform better against Colorado if it had a bigger engine...hadn't thought of that

I was of the impression that an extra turbo and 4 more gears more than accounted for its milk bottle capacity..
There's a subtle difference, the fact that it gets close to matching with
more weight and a more efficient engine, that still escapes you..
Raptor actually lead the second more realistic test but let's not add confusion...


Most RRs will probably be leased by people with access to novated leases.
and if Raptor swipes a few Wildtrack sales that's still OK because Ford still
comes out on top.

So consider this a three year deal, a get through to the next gen Ranger
when some of the perceived "wrongs" will be put right...

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I was of the impression that an extra turbo and 4 more gears more than accounted for its milk bottle capacity..
If I'm not mistaken it did considering it weighs about 250kg more and has much larger tyres.
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Imagine the conversation in a few years time when people come to upgrade..

Customer-'Hey im looking to trade my Raptor in on a new one'
Salesman-'Is that the current spec model?'
Customer-'No its the 2.0l without AEB'
Salesman-'Oh, its that one, sorry, people want the better one...'
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There's a subtle difference, the fact that it gets close to matching with
more weight and a more efficient engine, that still escapes you..
Raptor actually lead the second more realistic test but let's not add confusion...


Most RRs will probably be leased by people with access to novated leases.
and if Raptor swipes a few Wildtrack sales that's still OK because Ford still
comes out on top.

So consider this a three year deal, a get through to the next gen Ranger
when some of the perceived "wrongs" will be put right...
Try “Ignore” it’s really good
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Most RR buyers will be 'twats' given your reasoning. 90% of buyers won't avail themselves to the alleged benefits the RR has over a XLT/Wildtrak.

I accept the Larambie is too big for an everyday car for the likes of yourself, that's an issue that you need help with. There are plenty of folk with the competence to have one as a daily driver. As the article states, every order is pre sold.
Two different vehicles designed for different purposes as well.
Laramie buyers may well have the competence to drive one, (as I believe I do) but they wont find a multi storey or shopping cente carpark that they'll fit in
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Try “Ignore” it’s really good
People are going to believe what they want i guess...
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People are going to believe what they want i guess...
True,

I like to ignore the perpetual idiots.
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Imagine the conversation in a few years time when people come to upgrade..

Customer-'Hey im looking to trade my Raptor in on a new one'
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Customer-'No its the 2.0l without AEB'
Salesman-'Oh, its that one, sorry, people want the better one...'
How is that different to any car in history?
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Two different vehicles designed for different purposes as well.
Laramie buyers may well have the competence to drive one, (as I believe I do) but they wont find a multi storey or shopping cente carpark that they'll fit in
Not everyone live in cities with multi storey car parks. I hope they sell well which leads to factory RHD.
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How is that different to any car in history?
Ignore.

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Ignore.

Idiot.
I don't agree with everything everyone else says either, but that doesn't make them idiots. it just makes them different. we are all individuals with different viewpoints and opinions. This is just a forum where people can discuss cars.

nothing more, nothing less.

I can't be sure Raptor in its current form will be a long term success here, but its a start, and the order books are apparently doing ok, and its probably costing Ford next to nothing extra to ship them here. Will people want more in the future? Possibly, but lets wait and see.

I also don't think many will be used for their intended purpose. They are just a different vehicle that stands out a bit, and has a lot of the usual mods covered by full factory warranty. There are many cars on the road that never see their intended playground, but that's the beauty of choice.

I think its a pretty cool car but i'll never buy one. I may one day have an Everest with the same running gear, but that's a long way off considering I've only just bought my territory.

i'm not put off by the capacity because the numbers that matter are pretty good. F1 cars are 1.6L (although they do have battery also) but even prior to the turbo era they had rather small capacity. Power and torque, and where they are developed in the rev range, are what matter.
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For some reason I expected the Ranger Raptor to be slow on road, fast off-road, since everyone is calling it an "off-road performance vehicle".

Turns out, it's even slower off-road, so I don't know what the reasoning is for calling it a performance vehicle at all. If it's not a performance vehicle on-road, there's no logical reason that it would tranform into one off-road. A performance vehicle needs performance, something the Ranger Raptor does not have.

By all accounts it's a very good off-road vehicle, but calling it a performance vehicle in any environment is just marketing BS. Terms like "Baja inspired" and "race ready" make it sound fast, but any other vehicle that enters the Baja 1000 would run rings around it. Why? Because they are genuine off-road performance vehicles. The Ranger Raptor is an off-road vehicle minus the performance.
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Idiot.
That's a pretty childish response to a perfectly reasonable question.

Just because others don't share your opinion doesn't make them idiots. Resorting to childish insults? Well that reflects more on you then anyone else.
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For some reason I expected the Ranger Raptor to be slow on road, fast off-road, since everyone is calling it an "off-road performance vehicle".

Turns out, it's even slower off-road, so I don't know what the reasoning is for calling it a performance vehicle at all. If it's not a performance vehicle on-road, there's no logical reason that it would tranform into one off-road. A performance vehicle needs performance, something the Ranger Raptor does not have.

By all accounts it's a very good off-road vehicle, but calling it a performance vehicle in any environment is just marketing BS. Terms like "Baja inspired" and "race ready" make it sound fast, but any other vehicle that enters the Baja 1000 would run rings around it. Why? Because they are genuine off-road performance vehicles. The Ranger Raptor is an off-road vehicle minus the performance.
That video and article, though entertaining does not convey the off road performance capabilities of the Raptor vs the GM Sport Scat (scat separated out on purpose).

A true off road circuit would get that point across.
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Sure, a 2.0l isn't performance in anything but a hatchback, but 0-100 is not the only measure of a vehicle. (Surprising, I know)

I get that the only racing most people do is drag racing. And I know being the first person to hit the next red light is very important to a lot of people, but it's actually okay for Ford to make cars that do other things.

So, we saw in the video the Ranger Raptor did a quarter mile in 17.9 seconds.
A Baja trophy truck would beat that. (In fact does beat that. The RWD 800hp baja truck went 13.20)

A F150 Raptor? I mean, they have REAL performance, right? 15.95
Same people did a Boss 302 mustang and got 12.95

But hang on. This 800hp custom built race truck is slower than a shop bought Mustang? They call that performance?

Even around a race track the Mustang beat the trophy truck.

But hurtling through the desert at well over 100? Sure, the Ranger Raptor isn't going to keep up with a race ready trophy truck on a baja circuit. But I sure as **** reckon it'll beat a Mustang.
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By all accounts it's a very good off-road vehicle, but calling it a performance vehicle in any environment is just marketing BS. Terms like "Baja inspired" and "race ready" make it sound fast, but any other vehicle that enters the Baja 1000 would run rings around it. Why? Because they are genuine off-road performance vehicles. The Ranger Raptor is an off-road vehicle minus the performance.
As I've mentioned before, the first F150 Raptor in 2010 had a 5.4 3V,
you do remember how the Aussie Barra I-6 was a near match for it's
performance in B Series Falcons....now imagine it in an F150 Raptor.

So the precedent for calling Raptors performance vehicles while having a near
standard engine was set nearly eight years ago. We might not like it but it's
what Ford has presented for sale for the next three years.


As i see it, most of these Ranger Raptors will be leased and handed back in three years time.
The people who will be signing up for these leases are going in eyes open and know what this
vehicle is and what it can and cannot do, it is for them to decide whether it's good or not.

I understand that some here have an agenda to challenge Ford at every turn on the
use of "performance" as a marketing tool on vehicles that would seem unworthy.
That may be the case but I don't think any good will come from sour grapes on Raptor,
The conversation has to be far more sophisticated and better targeted at people
who can make change.

The best way to get Ford's attention is to lease a Raptor or Mustang and then tell them
what you would prefer to see, Ford can't hear you if you don't buy their products.
Equally, if you're part of an enthuiast group and have purchased a new Ford in recent years
and you're really serious about buying a certain type of vehicle, organize a petition to Ford

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I believe, when the RR is released with a Petrol engine, we'll be all here still reading complaints about how poor the fuel econ is, why didn't they increase the tank size, the seating position is to high, the panels don't align, and it's not a flacon ute LOL
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47 pages, is this a record? ;)
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use of "performance" as a marketing tool on vehicles that would seem unworthy.
I believe a lot of the opposition is with the use of the Raptor name, rather than coming from Ford Performance.
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47 pages, is this a record? ;)
No, but unfortunately it seems to keep repeating like a broken one
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