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Old 30-08-2018, 08:48 PM   #1261
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plus delivery
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and that's with no options. you don't even get a CD player! and you certainly don't get a towbar.

compare apples and apples why not?
As someone who has personally purchased an F-250 as well as a raptor in the US, I can guarantee you that for around 27-30k you can get a decent truck with a tow package. I think the thing is that the Ranger and the F150 are very similar in size, and it's going to be interesting to see how well they sell.

The dealer incentives are substantial. You can get quite a deal on them.

Australia gets ripped off for sure, but we already knew that.

Just searching ebay for new cars i see this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-F-150-...JaMM65&vxp=mtr

And here is the raptor for 71k AUD fully delivered...


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Old 30-08-2018, 09:17 PM   #1262
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To be fair, the cheapest bare bones XL 4x4 dual cab F150 has a MSRP of $37755US. Starting MSRP excludes destination/delivery charge, taxes, title and registration.
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Old 30-08-2018, 10:11 PM   #1263
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Based on an exchange rate of PHP38 per 1AUD, the Wildtrak in Philippines (LHD) model is near AUD$43K driveaway.

That’s near $20k less than in Oz. There’s no reason why a F series would cost as much as touted unless either Ford Oz or the government shafts the Australian consumer.




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Old 30-08-2018, 10:41 PM   #1264
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Based on an exchange rate of PHP38 per 1AUD, the Wildtrak in Philippines (LHD) model is near AUD$43K driveaway.

That’s near $20k less than in Oz. There’s no reason why a F series would cost as much as touted unless either Ford Oz or the government shafts the Australian consumer.



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And they can’t use the excuse anymore that local costs of business are higher, as they haven’t got any, what with no factories etc.

Pricing will be whatever the market will bear. 80k utes just like 1k iPhones.



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Old 31-08-2018, 12:46 PM   #1265
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Drive.com.au's Birdsville to Bathurst road test....

https://www.drive.com.au/new-car-rev...st-119298.html

And Video....

https://www.drive.com.au/video-cars/...nk=homeVideos1
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Old 31-08-2018, 12:48 PM   #1266
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Thanks! good find, the video is soooo good, feels like the first honest review outside of ford's course. Makes me very excited to get one.

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Old 31-08-2018, 01:02 PM   #1267
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Thank you.

That was enjoyable and the RR looked at home.
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Old 31-08-2018, 01:18 PM   #1268
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Interesting, obviously does what its intended to do but as predicted the 2.0l needs to be pushed hard to achieve it.
They claim 14.1l average for the entire journey but the final 500km is all top gear highway cruising which would have brought the figures down considerably from what it would have shown rolling in to Cobar.

Driver ratings are interesting too, whilst it achieves an 8.5 out of 10 it gets 10/10 for connectivity and comfort at the expense of performance and safety, remove connectivity which is largely irrelevant in the desert and consider comfort as being down to the individuals outcome and its closer to a 7-7.5 out of 10 with safety its weakest link, not exactly confidence inspiring for a vehicle intended for blasting through the desert at break neck speeds.
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Old 31-08-2018, 01:27 PM   #1269
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Ram has taken aim at the new Ford Ranger Raptor during the launch of its new V8 ute.

Presenting the 5.7-litre Hemi V8-powered Ram 1500 to the media, Ram Trucks Australia spokesman Edward Rowe said the brand hopes to woo buyers away from high-end versions of popular dual-cab utes.

“We are the only people in this market sector offering a V8, in a market sector which used to be heavily populated with V8s, in a market segment now populated by small diesels,” he says.

“The way it goes, the way it sounds and just the whole driving experience … a V8 Hemi engine offers a somewhat more better driving experience than a 2.0-litre diesel.” https://m.drive.com.au/motor-news/ra...or-119329.html
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I love it when a Journo writes "more better"
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I love it when a Journo writes "more better"
I’m surprised he’s not writing his article in shorthand sms spelling format too.
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Old 31-08-2018, 01:41 PM   #1272
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Interesting, obviously does what its intended to do but as predicted the 2.0l needs to be pushed hard to achieve it.

They claim 14.1l average for the entire journey but the final 500km is all top gear highway cruising which would have brought the figures down considerably from what it would have shown rolling in to Cobar.



Driver ratings are interesting too, whilst it achieves an 8.5 out of 10 it gets 10/10 for connectivity and comfort at the expense of performance and safety, remove connectivity which is largely irrelevant in the desert and consider comfort as being down to the individuals outcome and its closer to a 7-7.5 out of 10 with safety its weakest link, not exactly confidence inspiring for a vehicle intended for blasting through the desert at break neck speeds.


You mean the AEB? I’m trying to figure out what you mean by safety being its weakest link? I don’t think AEB (even if it had it) would even be active in Baja or off-road mode. Other than that the safety is the same as the regular ranger.


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Old 31-08-2018, 02:04 PM   #1273
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You mean the AEB? I’m trying to figure out what you mean by safety being its weakest link? I don’t think AEB (even if it had it) would even be active in Baja or off-road mode. Other than that the safety is the same as the regular ranger.


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At the bottom of the article is the Drive Ratings, it lists safety as only receiving 6 out of 10, the lowest scoring segment by far.
It doesnt say what that is based on.

Oh and i meant to say 9/10 for connectivity and comfort, not 10/10 which relates to handling which it obviously does achieve.

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Old 31-08-2018, 02:22 PM   #1274
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Based on an exchange rate of PHP38 per 1AUD, the Wildtrak in Philippines (LHD) model is near AUD$43K driveaway.

That’s near $20k less than in Oz. There’s no reason why a F series would cost as much as touted unless either Ford Oz or the government shafts the Australian consumer.




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You do realise the specification levels between countries is quite different don't you. Ours are fully loaded, cheaper asian markets aren't. Not comparing apples with apples.

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You mean the AEB? I’m trying to figure out what you mean by safety being its weakest link? I don’t think AEB (even if it had it) would even be active in Baja or off-road mode. Other than that the safety is the same as the regular ranger.


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AEB is due for Raptor next year as a running change. Something to do with the different front bumper and the location of the sensors that was triggering incorrect AEB activations, and there was not enough time to get it right for release. According to Wheels magazine anyway. Don't know how the lack of AEB results in only a 6/10 though. It has everything else.
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Must be an echo in here

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Old 31-08-2018, 06:57 PM   #1277
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Interesting, obviously does what its intended to do but as predicted the 2.0l needs to be pushed hard to achieve it.
They claim 14.1l average for the entire journey but the final 500km is all top gear highway cruising which would have brought the figures down considerably from what it would have shown rolling in to Cobar.

Driver ratings are interesting too, whilst it achieves an 8.5 out of 10 it gets 10/10 for connectivity and comfort at the expense of performance and safety, remove connectivity which is largely irrelevant in the desert and consider comfort as being down to the individuals outcome and its closer to a 7-7.5 out of 10 with safety its weakest link, not exactly confidence inspiring for a vehicle intended for blasting through the desert at break neck speeds.
Not exactly a "glass half full guy are you"

You do know you are not obligated to buy one.
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Ram has taken aim at the new Ford Ranger Raptor during the launch of its new V8 ute.

Presenting the 5.7-litre Hemi V8-powered Ram 1500 to the media, Ram Trucks Australia spokesman Edward Rowe said the brand hopes to woo buyers away from high-end versions of popular dual-cab utes.

“We are the only people in this market sector offering a V8, in a market sector which used to be heavily populated with V8s, in a market segment now populated by small diesels,” he says.

“The way it goes, the way it sounds and just the whole driving experience … a V8 Hemi engine offers a somewhat more better driving experience than a 2.0-litre diesel.” https://m.drive.com.au/motor-news/ra...or-119329.html
Totally different trucks. As much as i like the RAM, off road i doubt it would follow the Raptor for long without busting something.
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Old 31-08-2018, 08:43 PM   #1279
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Totally different trucks. As much as i like the RAM, off road i doubt it would follow the Raptor for long without busting something.
And the $79,950 version (plus ORC) is quite the poverty pack, the upspec wildtrak equivalent? Is 100k plus.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/656777/...pricing-specs/
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And the $79,950 version (plus ORC) is quite the poverty pack, the upspec wildtrak equivalent? Is 100k plus.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/656777/...pricing-specs/
Have I read that right?.... Is the Express essentially a super cab with the Laramie the only option if you want a true dual cab? That is disappointing if thats the case.
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Not exactly a "glass half full guy are you"

You do know you are not obligated to buy one.
Lol, i never said i would or wouldnt buy one, i have no use for one so i couldnt see any reason why i would but none of that is relevant because my post was simply summing up what most reviews have returned, that the vehicle is very capable of doing what its intended for, however, the fuel consumption when put through its paces is not on par with what they are quoting at head office.
Theres not much point in claiming 8l/100km for a vehicle designed to be driven spiritedly off road if under those conditions it returns double if not more than that.
It would be like claiming a V8 Supercar would have fantastic milage if only driven to the shops for bread and milk.

That doesnt mean its not a great vehicle or that its a reason someone should refrain from buying it, however, if youre considering heading outback and using it for its intended purpose, considering its consumption would be an important factor when planning a trip into isolated country if youre only getting 400ish km from a tank.

As for the rating given to it, things like connectivity are hardly worthy of consideration for a vehicle of its intended purpose and have clearly inflated its overall score.
Comfort is subjective
The standout in that score is the safety aspect which as i said would be concerning given its intended purpose and as Boss said, running updates will be made to increase its standings in that department, the question left to be asked is, if those running upgrades are in the pipeline and therefore obviously a reality, why didnt they delay its release and get it right, as the way i see it, unless you just want to be the first to say you have one, you'd be better off waiting for the upgrade and getting a better specced one.
Come resale time a Raptor with AEB will be worth more than an early one without it.

Lets be honest here, the majority of these Raptors will spend alot of time in suburbia and so AEB whilst not necessarliy an issue in the middle of the Simpson, will be, as on most other urban tractors, an important part of the total safety package or it wouldnt be an emerging mainstream feature or an intended feature for this vehicle moving forward.

Its a great vehicle, but as with many Ford products theres usually a trade off somewhere unfortunately.
Im actually surprised they're not all black...
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Theres not much point in claiming 8l/100km for a vehicle designed to be driven spiritedly off road if under those conditions it returns double if not more than that.
I may out of line here but when you see the video, and old mate is doing circle work, at high RPM for minutes on end...….. I think 14L/100km is quite reasonable.
They should have eliminated this from the consumption figures.
I'm sure a petrol version of this vehicle, driven the same way would well over 20L/100km.
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They should have eliminated this from the consumption figures.
But thats the point, they were testing it under the conditions it was designed for, its designed to be fanged around in the dust and the 2.0l obviously needs to be pushed to achieve it.
Where they fudged the figures was giving it a 500km cool down run at highway speeds in 10th gear to bring the final figures way down on where it would have been.

Ford have created a vehicle capable of copping some serious punishment in the outback and then quoted fuel consumption figures for an urban tractor then when tested in real world conditions they didnt give a figure after it was put through its paces, they waited 500kms to make it more respectable.

They did draw on nostalgia to make it all sound legit though.

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Ford have created a vehicle capable of copping some serious punishment in the outback and then quoted fuel consumption figures for an urban tractor then when tested in real world conditions they didnt give a figure after it was put through its paces, they waited 500kms to make it more respectable.
I doubt that many manufacturers quoted figures are possible in the 'real world' ?
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I think finding things to complain about are just in some people's nature. First it was the engine, and now that it's not utter ****, it's AEB. When it has AEB there will be some other supposed deal breaker. So waxing poetic about the lack of AEB is quite funny when none of the other utes except the x-class have it.

Let me summarise for you below, we've already discussed the engines, and the only bigger/more powerful ones are the V6 Amarok and soon to be released 85k X-class neither of which can do offroad like the raptor:

Utes with AEB available in Australia (as of August 2018):

Mercedes-Benz X-Class – Standard across range
Ford Ranger – Not available
Toyota HiLux – Not available
Nissan Navara – Not available
Mitsubishi Triton – Not available
Holden Colorado – Not available
Isuzu D-MAX – Not available
Mazda BT-50 – Not available
Volkswagen Amarok – Not available
LDV T60 – Not available
Great Wall Steed – Not available

And now about the fuel economy:

Here is the Ford official description
"Fuel consumption and emissions as per ADR 81/02 (combined cycle) and to be used for vehicle comparison purposes only. It is unlikely that these fuel consumption and emissions figures will be achieved in real world driving conditions. Actual fuel consumption and emissions will depend on many factors including the driver’s habits, prevailing conditions and the vehicle’s equipment, condition and use"

You HAVE to test according to ADR 81/02 rules and that's the figure you publish. So chill out. It's not like they are making something up and lying. Please tell me you don't believe the Hilux claims at face value either. They are all testing on the same standard.

Here's a good link if you're curious. https://www.caradvice.com.au/385014/...he-fuel-label/

I agree with you there are features and things to improve on. But complaining about the fuel economy, when it's measured that way for a reason, and the safety features which don't exist on literally any other Ute is kind of a stretch.

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Fuel consumption figures are achieved using a set procedure. (ADR 81/02). This way the results can be compared across a range of cars as they are all tested using the same procedure. They are mainly for comparitive purposes only.

Edit- just realised articulatedsphinx covered fuel consumption in his post above.
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I think finding things to complain about are just in some people's nature. First it was the engine, and now that it's not utter ****, it's AEB. When it has AEB there will be some other supposed deal breaker. So waxing poetic about the lack of AEB is quite funny when none of the other utes except the x-class have it.

Let me summarise for you below, we've already discussed the engines, and the only bigger/more powerful ones are the V6 Amarok and soon to be released 85k X-class neither of which can do offroad like the raptor:

Utes with AEB available in Australia (as of August 2018):

Mercedes-Benz X-Class – Standard across range
Ford Ranger – Not available
Toyota HiLux – Not available
Nissan Navara – Not available
Mitsubishi Triton – Not available
Holden Colorado – Not available
Isuzu D-MAX – Not available
Mazda BT-50 – Not available
Volkswagen Amarok – Not available
LDV T60 – Not available
Great Wall Steed – Not available
With all due respects though articulatedsphinx, apart from the $85k x-class, which is a premium product compared to the rest, none of those, apart from raptor, are $80k utes.

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You HAVE to test according to ADR 81/02 rules and that's the figure you publish. So chill out. It's not like they are making something up and lying. Please tell me you don't believe the Hilux claims at face value either. They are all testing on the same standard.

Here's a good link if you're curious. https://www.caradvice.com.au/385014/...he-fuel-label/
Totally agreed, no one believes the figures manufacturers give for fuel consumption, but were not talking a litre or so here, were talking 40% more when used as intended.
I guess my point wasnt so much aimed at Fords official figures but more at the reviews results because they could have given a more accurate result had they stopped the test in Cobar when they ceased driving it in a manner that it is intended for.
If they wanted to test a 2.0l on the highway then any Wildtrack with that option would do, but they didnt, they took a Raptor out into the desert, put it through its paces and then gave it 500km of sedate driving, sedate compared to the first 1600km anyway, in which to bring the figures down and from my perspective that makes a mockery of those findings, im not sure why they bothered to even mention consumption figures if they were going to compromise it in this way.

Does any of that mean its not a great vehicle, hell no.

Anyway, thats just a couple of points which i noted from the video, if youre suggesting that the final 500km wouldnt have reduced the consumption figures im happy for you to show me that.
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To be fair, not many people have 'off road' just outside their front gate, so there will always be a portion of 'normal' driving, regardless of how much off road you do.
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To be fair, not many people have 'off road' just outside their front gate, so there will always be a portion of 'normal' driving, regardless of how much off road you do.
Fair point Rob, then why not start the test in Bathurst and drive it out there rather than commence it at the foot of big red if factoring in the drive too and from was the intention of the exercise, its what they didnt do before, but did do after putting Raptor through its paces that stands out.
The run from Cobar to Bathurst adds nothing to the review other than distort the final consumption figures.
We know what a Ranger with 2.0l/10A is capable of on the black top.
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Old 01-09-2018, 11:53 AM   #1290
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Default Re: 2018 Ranger Raptor

I know fuel consumption is important to some. Does it sound too snooty to say I don't particularly care? even 14L/100 wouldn't phase me. My big thing is making sure the fuel tank is big enough. I just don't want to be stuck somewhere while outback.

I've ordered myself one of these bad boys (200L rapid genius tank), for when I do CSR. I hate jerry cans. The portable tank is actually quite compact, looks way bigger in the picture.

Since diesel weighs 0.8kg/L + the tank (36kg) will weigh about 196kg give or take.

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