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18-09-2019, 10:17 PM
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I am Groot
 
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Being as it's his first Bathurst car I think it will attract some serious collectors, a beautiful piece of Australian motor racing history...
https://www.graysonline.com/sale/200...ikes-september https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/18...go-to-auction/
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18-09-2019, 11:16 PM
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It'll be interesting to watch.
That unrestored HK 327 is a jaw dropper too.
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19-09-2019, 12:20 PM
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Would they be the seats they raced with?
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20-09-2019, 01:26 PM
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I would say Yes to your question as that car would be in original condition and what a great vehicle it is. |
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19-09-2019, 03:07 PM
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If they are not the actual seats, the race seats would have been the same stock standard as what you and I would have been sitting on in a Monaro of the time.
I went to the Bathurst auction in October last year of Peter Champion's Brock collection expecting that the offerings would have been the real thing. A lot were not, (replicas,) which was a bit disappointing. The 1984 05 'winner' presented there, was very much a 'grandfathers axe' race car with a controversy about it being originally 05 or 25. Beautiful restoration, but. This seems to be the real thing with log books, etc to back it up. Looks great. |
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19-09-2019, 05:14 PM
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I read in the paper that the Monaro was the first car Peter Brock raced around Mt Panorama is expected to fetch anywhere from $500,000 to $1 million Dollars.
Its and HT Monaro 350 and Brock drove it to third place in 1969 his first Bathurst. |
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20-09-2019, 11:49 AM
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Well i didnt win powerball guys so im out.
My guess is 2 mil for the Brockie HT. 260K for the unrestored HK..
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20-09-2019, 02:14 PM
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Many memories for me there.
1969 was the first time I watched "Bathurst" on tv. We'd been in Australia only 3 years in 1969 and we had a 1965 HD Holden as the family car. This is when I started to follow Peter Brock and develop an interest in the Touring Car Championships and the "homologation" specials. I became a Ford fan in 1992 when I bought my first Falcon (EB II SXR8) but always liked Brocky.
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20-09-2019, 07:06 PM
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Hey GTP534,
Like you I remember watching the then Bathurst 500 in black n white TV. 1969 was the first race for Peter Brock and also Allan Moffat which I followed and did till he retired at the age of 50 years old. Black n white Tv were showing our age! |
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20-09-2019, 09:10 PM
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20-09-2019, 09:50 PM
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Really showing our age but it's fun on a Forum like this to be able to share our memories and reminisce.
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20-09-2019, 10:15 PM
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In regards to the interior, I think I remember Moffat saying his back was covered in blistrers/welts or woteva they were from the seats of the XW or XY. So comfortable to cruise in but would suck getting thrown side to side racing. |
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20-09-2019, 10:30 PM
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Coupe king,
your 100 percent right about Allan Moffat and that was at Bathurst. Peter Brock was saying in a interview I saw once about racing the Holden Monaro at Bathurst in 1969. He was told by Harry Firth " don't worry about using the brakes Peter at Bathurst. In 1977 at Bathurst Jackie Ickx went to the pits and said to Allan Moffat " theres something wrong with the brakes Allan"? Allan Moffat did a lap then returned to the pits and said " the brakes are fine Jackie". Jackie Ickx said Allan "they don't stop the car"and Allan Moffat said "who said anything about stoping the car the brakes just slow it down". |
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20-09-2019, 10:18 PM
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Never cared for that/those monaros but for Beechys - that was the tuffest imo.
Brock was always my no1 enemy being I became a Moff man from Coke Mustang days but I got to like Brock in the latter years and race cars of his I couldn't not admire - A9X and the dayglo VK's, both those cars were hot for oldens  GTP534, took you a while moving from the Darkside lol..... Good ol B/W watching Bathurst televised from 7am Sunday morn always on the Oct long weekend religiously and the array of Class's racing, wonderful times and very happy being - mature lol......
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21-09-2019, 04:07 PM
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Bidding at $226,909 with just over 4 days to go....
https://www.graysonline.com/lot/0001...hurst-race-car
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22-09-2019, 07:12 AM
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I've heard that there are questions regarding it's provenance
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22-09-2019, 09:09 AM
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23-09-2019, 07:35 AM
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23-09-2019, 10:57 AM
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You/Your 'acquaintance' would be doing everyone involved a service to bring to light these claims and getting the issue clarified, and prevent the below from recurring, after all they are very serious claims with very serious consequences involved.....if found to be valid..... https://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/...0161102-gsgh3x https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2012/0...-falcon-xw-gt/ https://www.examiner.com.au/story/18...falcon-seller/
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23-09-2019, 05:37 PM
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Seriously can't we discuss like regular people instead of resorting to childish barbs and repetitious use of "acquaintance" in an attempt to try to make a point. I was simply restating what the mate told me in a text when I sent him details of the car. Sales like this are 'buyer beware', he has obviously come across some question marks regarding the car and isn't happy to bid. That doesn't mean 'fraud' or any bs simply that he isn't happy and won't bid despite having the means to. It's always up to each and every potential purchaser to ensure that they are satisfied enough to actually bid. I've been and viewed classic cars at auction before that had unsupported claims made about them and simply walked away. I'm sure many of us have similar experiences. |
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25-09-2019, 12:26 PM
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27-09-2019, 11:33 AM
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Brock Monaro sold for $455,209:00,
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27-09-2019, 01:07 PM
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27-09-2019, 12:03 PM
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Interesting, i thought it would have got another million over that price so must be a big question mark over authenticity. I dont understand why grays dont authenticate a car of this caliber or maybe they knew all along from the VINS. Oh well, i wasnt in the market for a shed ornament with my bank balance anyway!
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27-09-2019, 01:04 PM
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I read in a car magazine that Peter Brocks Monaro was expected to go for between $500,000 and 1 million dollars.
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It is alleged that this car has had 2 re-bodies in its lifetime & that the plates are as dodgy as. It has a Sydney factory VIN plate, a Melbourne factory Body ID plate (which says the car is painted Black) & has an Adelaide chassis number. Many of the numbers don't read as they should either. It was well known that all of Harry Firth's 1969 Bathurst HTs were built & assembled in Melbourne. The other issue as I see it, is that of the CAMS log book. When this car was raced at Bathurst in 1969 it didn't have CAMS log book, because the race was run under ARDC rules. The CAMS log book came later, probably after the first re-body. It's very much a "Grandfather's axe", but how much of it remains ? Certainly not the body or the ID plates ! Dr Terry |
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Auction - Peter Brock's 1969 HDT Bathurst Monaro
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