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gtfpv · 24-07-2013, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fordgod

2.26 for 91 over here.

GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

i know your right mate . but i just paid the xr6 off last week , and we own our GT . I'm over buying cars , i just want to have what i own for now . not increase spending by buying again to save fuel . theres no point in that .
. surely people can see that .

Why don't people look at LPG systems as an investment? Its cheaper to run thru the working week AND it helps sell the car at a later date....AND its better for your engine too....Its win win win and the technology out ther now is unbelievable!

GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 07:23 PM

Here i'll make things easy for you.. And any other V8 drivers.....Contact these guys tmrw.

http://www.australianlpgwarehouse.co...Injection.aspx

XW-BAXR6T · 24-07-2013, 07:29 PM

I got my bicycle on stand by...

flappist · 24-07-2013, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

Why don't people look at LPG systems as an investment? Its cheaper to run thru the working week AND it helps sell the car at a later date....AND its better for your engine too....Its win win win and the technology out ther now is unbelievable!

Provided you live and drive where LPG is always available.

As far as resale, if it is so sought after why are there so many second hand ones on carsales at very low prices?

nstg8a · 24-07-2013, 07:35 PM

Bet you there's more petrol ones on car sales than LPG ones...

**DJM83** · 24-07-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

Why don't people look at LPG systems as an investment? Its cheaper to run thru the working week AND it helps sell the car at a later date....AND its better for your engine too....Its win win win and the technology out ther now is unbelievable!

LPG interests me as much as watching grass grow....

GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Provided you live and drive where LPG is always available.

As far as resale, if it is so sought after why are there so many second hand ones on carsales at very low prices?

Flappist, the guy lives in Sydney man....The most over populated, over condensed city in the country, theres plenty of LPG up there.... I've been there!

And the new Liquid Injection system are 'lightyears' ahead of the old mixer systems.... Ford should have been selling the EcoLPi way back at BA but they bloody wouldn't invest the money in the technology back then because they're tightarses! Instead they kept pounding out the old E gas system!

K93George · 24-07-2013, 07:38 PM

I have an FG XR6 which costs me on average $15 a week to fuel up with 98. Mostly because the Accord Euro gets driven as a daily which costs on average nothing to fuel up on 95...

Fuel cards are awesome.

flappist · 24-07-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

Bet you there's more petrol ones on car sales than LPG ones...

Of course there is. Something can't be put up for sale second hand unless it has been bought new in the first place......

GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by K93George

I have an FG XR6 which costs me on average $15 a week to fuel up with 98. Mostly because the Accord Euro gets driven as a daily which costs on average nothing to fuel up on 95...

Fuel cards are awesome.

Gees lucky you....some people actually have to pay for fuel out of their very own pockets you know?

GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by XW-BAXR6T

I got my bicycle on stand by...

Hope u don't have to pay for the air in the tyres!

K93George · 24-07-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

Gees lucky you....some people actually have to pay for fuel out of their very own pockets you know?

I realise that, its not "luck" though. While others my age may be at home doing nothing I just happen to have a job that provides a company car as part of a salary package, an ever increasing salary package judging by these petrol prices lol.

**Bluehoon** · 24-07-2013, 07:50 PM

I bought an BFII E-gas xt with genuine 26000kms on clock. Paid 9k. Fuel bill has change from $50.

Everyone has capacity to change circumstances, some do it, others whinge...

pajoda · 24-07-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fordgod

2.26 for 91 over here.

The AUS debate is now finished, poor blighters across the ditch.

pajoda · 24-07-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

Gees lucky you....some people actually have to pay for fuel out of their very own pockets you know?

I realise that, its not "luck" though. While others my age may be at home doing nothing I just happen to have a job that provides a company car as part of a salary package, an ever increasing salary package judging by these petrol prices lol.

A fuel card still means it comes out of his pocket

flappist · 24-07-2013, 08:01 PM

The topic is petrol prices, not the economy, not what job you have.

Keep it on topic.

gtfpv · 24-07-2013, 08:01 PM

EF 6 . I'll give you a few detailed answers as to why i believe LPG isnt considered an investment based on MY OWN EXPERIENCES .
I Drove on LPG FROM 1992 TILL 2010 , on my work cars , and always had a V8 on petrol tucked away for weekends or the wife . performance wise v8's on petrol were the only way to go . as the saying goes . why buy a v8 if your concerned about economy .
now FBT , and late model cars became popular in the mid 2000's ( correct me if i'm wrong) but more big businesses were signing up to operational leases for managers to save taxes such as GST and FBT deductable dollars . and also offering thier employees benifits to take up novated leases .
pretty much at the same time LPG prices became rebatable ( something i detested at the time ) prices for lpg fitting went up 3 fold , and then of course the rebate was taken away after a quick buck was made .
aside from this . the ba falcon was described by some as the 1st falcon plug n play vehicle ( which vitually means throw away after 10 years due to obsolete parts )
so with leasing LPG had no tax deductable benifits , therefore everybody leased petrol cars . lpg fitment became very expensive requiring about 4 years to pay it back if you do acceptable kms , and leases were lasting 3 to 5 yearsd and being swapped over for new leases again . LPG STALLWARTED .
HE WE ARE TODAY , faced with the OUTCOME . such as this thread . my XR6 IS COMING UP 4 YEARS OLD . i'm not releasing as there is no incentive to do so , i'm not buying a new car to replace it as there isnt realyy any reason to do so as my car is still good , why lurch out and buy another , if i convert to lpg , it will be proably b7 years old before i break even and the car will be a shi tter with 3 years life left in it .
hopefully you may see why LPG was deserted by the public .
and also as a side note .
today if in need you can buy one 2nd hand . already on LPG for the same price as petrol ( why buy new ) or you can buy a 4cyl car with same space as falcon for $15 000 cheaper . not even the country will back the falcon .

GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

LPG interests me as much as watching grass grow....

Ye that's why you pay ALOT more for fuel than I do!

KIWI-1 · 24-07-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

when i checked my payrise today( yes i'm a unionist ) and did some calcs and realise that 43% of my pay is taken away in taxes etc before i get it

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

so someone in the 43% tax bracket complains about fuel costs.

i feel for anyone not in that pay range :P

Relax EFFalcon, To have 43% of your pay taken away in taxes would require an income of almost $1million pa.

GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KIWI-1

Relax EFFalcon, To have 43% of your pay taken away in taxes would require an income of almost $1million pa.

Oh this IS a laugh and a half!

nstg8a · 24-07-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Of course there is. Something can't be put up for sale second hand unless it has been bought new in the first place......

Touché.

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Originally Posted by pajoda

The AUS debate is now finished, poor blighters across the ditch.

Mind you, they also don't pay $1000 to register a V8, cars are much cheaper, roads are better, travelling distances are on average shorter, no Abbott/krudd shenanigans.

Pro and cons wherever you live...

**DJM83** · 24-07-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

Ye that's why you pay ALOT more for fuel than I do!

Im not complaining about paying more but.....

**Bluehoon** · 24-07-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

EF 6 . I'll give you a few detailed answers as to why i believe LPG isnt considered an investment based on MY OWN EXPERIENCES .
I Drove on LPG FROM 1992 TILL 2010 , on my work cars , and always had a V8 on petrol tucked away for weekends or the wife . performance wise v8's on petrol were the only way to go . as the saying goes . why buy a v8 if your concerned about economy .
now FBT , and late model cars became popular in the mid 2000's ( correct me if i'm wrong) but more big businesses were signing up to operational leases for managers to save taxes such as GST and FBT deductable dollars . and also offering thier employees benifits to take up novated leases .
pretty much at the same time LPG prices became rebatable ( something i detested at the time ) prices for lpg fitting went up 3 fold , and then of course the rebate was taken away after a quick buck was made .
aside from this . the ba falcon was described by some as the 1st falcon plug n play vehicle ( which vitually means throw away after 10 years due to obsolete parts )
so with leasing LPG had no tax deductable benifits , therefore everybody leased petrol cars . lpg fitment became very expensive requiring about 4 years to pay it back if you do acceptable kms , and leases were lasting 3 to 5 yearsd and being swapped over for new leases again . LPG STALLWARTED .
HE WE ARE TODAY , faced with the OUTCOME . such as this thread . my XR6 IS COMING UP 4 YEARS OLD . i'm not releasing as there is no incentive to do so , i'm not buying a new car to replace it as there isnt realyy any reason to do so as my car is still good , why lurch out and buy another , if i convert to lpg , it will be proably b7 years old before i break even and the car will be a shi tter with 3 years life left in it .
hopefully you may see why LPG was deserted by the public .
and also as a side note .
today if in need you can buy one 2nd hand . already on LPG for the same price as petrol ( why buy new ) or you can buy a 4cyl car with same space as falcon for $15 000 cheaper . not even the country will back the falcon .

In a novated leasing scheme I can see where you are coming from..

However now let's look at it from a straight owners perspective.

EcoLPI G6's are on carsales for $25k. Petrol - $32ish. Add 2k per year for rego & insurance. $600 maintenance. Rough but bear with me.

Over 4 years (without interest), assuming you redraw on the mortgage:

EcoLpi: $35400 running costs
Petrol: $42400

Let's add the fuel comparison:

EcoLpi - 25000kms annually at 12ltr per hundred at $.71 = $1500
Petrol - 25000kms annually at 10ltr per hundred at $1.61 litre = $4025 p/a

For someone not under any tax benefits, you're arguement is what now?????

PS - Novating and tax geared leases only give you back the tax paid on the dollar, not the whole dollar.... Depending on the tax bracket the lease drops you down into, your lease may be costing more than you believe....

GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

EF 6 . I'll give you a few detailed answers as to why i believe LPG isnt considered an investment based on MY OWN EXPERIENCES .
I Drove on LPG FROM 1992 TILL 2010 , on my work cars , and always had a V8 on petrol tucked away for weekends or the wife . performance wise v8's on petrol were the only way to go . as the saying goes . why buy a v8 if your concerned about economy .
now FBT , and late model cars became popular in the mid 2000's ( correct me if i'm wrong) but more big businesses were signing up to operational leases for managers to save taxes such as GST and FBT deductable dollars . and also offering thier employees benifits to take up novated leases .
pretty much at the same time LPG prices became rebatable ( something i detested at the time ) prices for lpg fitting went up 3 fold , and then of course the rebate was taken away after a quick buck was made .
aside from this . the ba falcon was described by some as the 1st falcon plug n play vehicle ( which vitually means throw away after 10 years due to obsolete parts )
so with leasing LPG had no tax deductable benifits , therefore everybody leased petrol cars . lpg fitment became very expensive requiring about 4 years to pay it back if you do acceptable kms , and leases were lasting 3 to 5 yearsd and being swapped over for new leases again . LPG STALLWARTED .
HE WE ARE TODAY , faced with the OUTCOME . such as this thread . my XR6 IS COMING UP 4 YEARS OLD . i'm not releasing as there is no incentive to do so , i'm not buying a new car to replace it as there isnt realyy any reason to do so as my car is still good , why lurch out and buy another , if i convert to lpg , it will be proably b7 years old before i break even and the car will be a shi tter with 3 years life left in it .
hopefully you may see why LPG was deserted by the public .
and also as a side note .
today if in need you can buy one 2nd hand . already on LPG for the same price as petrol ( why buy new ) or you can buy a 4cyl car with same space as falcon for $15 000 cheaper . not even the country will back the falcon .

Well this is why 'they' (the car companies) have got us by the balls...They are manufacturing cars that only last five years then you are supposed to throw it away and go to the bank and borrow again and again and again....The 'system' is screwed and these big 'corperations' are getting away with murder....The ONLY thing positive I see is the technology with say EcoBoost Direct Injection or LPG Injection or say the new V6 F150 EcoBoost....The rest of it is rubbish.
I cannot believe Fords pride and joy the 'GT' is made to last only five years...what a bloody shame! End rant.

gtfpv · 24-07-2013, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KIWI-1

Relax EFFalcon, To have 43% of your pay taken away in taxes would require an income of almost $1million pa.

i'll clarify 15.3 % goes to super the rest is tax.

gtfpv · 24-07-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluehoon

In a novated leasing scheme I can see where you are coming from..

However now let's look at it from a straight owners perspective.

EcoLPI G6's are on carsales for $25k. Petrol - $32ish. Add 2k per year for rego & insurance. $600 maintenance. Rough but bear with me.

Over 4 years (without interest), assuming you redraw on the mortgage:

EcoLpi: $35400 running costs
Petrol: $42400

Let's add the fuel comparison:

EcoLpi - 25000kms annually at 12ltr per hundred at $.71 = $1500
Petrol - 25000kms annually at 10ltr per hundred at $1.61 litre = $4025 p/a

For someone not under any tax benefits, you're arguement is what now?????

PS - Novating and tax geared leases only give you back the tax paid on the dollar, not the whole dollar.... Depending on the tax bracket the lease drops you down into, your lease may be costing more than you believe....

i totally agree . but how many people got roped into leasing cars . i'm not sure they are going to be looking at selling there cars coming off lease in order to buy a new one on lpg . but rather cut the losses and keep the old car and get its life span , as they are probably over valued in the 2nd hand market . a large % of people would be in this catagory , as also big business is taking operating leases away from managers also . people will run to the 2nd hand market or keep what they have
the ones that didnt faLL FOR all this leasing stuff or company cars , sure they'll be playing catchup real fast now . but i think the others may be exhausted for a bit and just absorb high petrol prices untill it's time to update the car privately again .

GASWAGON · 24-07-2013, 08:39 PM

Geesus all this updating and technology and new this new that.... Its out of control! In the old days people used to keep there cars for years..

KIWI-1 · 24-07-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

pretty much at the same time LPG prices became rebatable ( something i detested at the time ) prices for lpg fitting went up 3 fold , and then of course the rebate was taken away after a quick buck was made .

Funny how this happens. Once LPG stabilised the end cost remain about the same as the rebate reduced. Same with solar. We were looking at it a couple of years ago and some rebates were about to end. The installer correctly predicted that when the rebates came off, the cost would come down and out of pocket wouldn't change.

prydey · 24-07-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

and always had a V8 on petrol tucked away for weekends or the wife

hmm, tough choice