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03-10-2024, 12:46 PM | #1 | |||
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New car deliveries down for second consecutive month
RAV4 takes out the top position in sales/deliveries. Hybrid sales up 34% EV sales down 27% Ranger and Everest account for 89% of Ford's sales Quote:
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Carsguide are writing it up as significant falls for the dual cabs
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...acks-appear-in "Among the hardest hit were two giants of our new-car sales race, the Toyota HiLux and Ford Ranger, with both suffering significant falls versus the same month in 2023. The Toyota HiLux recorded 4313 sales in September, down 25.3 per cent from the 5776 it managed in September 2023. The Ford Ranger shifted 4485 units, down 17.4 per cent on the 5429 it managed in the same month last year. The utes' stumble opened the door for the Toyota RAV4 to claim the title of Australia's best-selling vehicle for the second month running, shifting 5182 units in September, up a massive 85.2 per cent on the 2798 it managed in the same month last year, as Toyota's production woes ease up and orders are fulfilled. The overall numbers show an easing off in Australian new-car sales, with EV sales stagnating and the broader market beginning to stutter - something Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries Chief Executive Tony Weber attributes to the state of the economy."
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1982 Mazda Cx3 sold in September
Think about that 1982! And Ford just walked away from Suv s in Aus ( except Everest) |
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And 1780 odd cx5 s
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Everest looks to be picking up the absent Prado sales which is great for Ford, just need to keep them now if they converted.
The American Pick up truck market doesn’t seem to grow, it just being spread between the 3 (soon to be 4) Manufacturers. At one stage Ram had the market to itself and used to get the 500-600 sales to itself per month. Then Silverado came along and it was split 50:50 between the 2 at about 300 sales each per month. Ford came along with F150 and now it’s about 200 sales per manufacturer per month and now with Tundra coming along….. You do the math. Probably the big winner out of all this is Walkinshaw who converts 3 of the 4 American Pick ups. But you wonder if potentially selling just 150 a month for a manufacturer is worth the effort! Time will tell I guess!
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Ranger PHEV may well be a reputational 'a stitch in time saves nine ...' Also, it will be fascinating to watch the sales of Prado verses Everest in about 12 months time. Credit to Toyota with their PHEV technology. Everyone laughed at Toyota for introducing the Prius back in 1997. These days it is very mature technology, with a good payback on the initial investment for the buyer. |
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Love or hate them they are bringing prices down and specs up. |
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Initially, this is to take back sales in its domestic market but ultimately, it will make the Japanese and Korean car invasions of North America and Europe look like small fry. Both of those regions are now worried that their entire car manufacturing industries could fold up within a decade. Hell yeah, they are terrified that the wolf is at the door. Chinese brands will probably hurt the weaker brands like Honda, Nissan and maybe some of the lesser Euro brands in our market, Peugeot, Renault, maybe even VW too Last edited by jpd80; 05-10-2024 at 07:28 AM. |
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On topic, very pleased to see Everest sales up to 2,900 last month but realise that
some of it is definitely due to the vacant Prado, although RAV4 is storming ahead. |
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RAV4 had back orders of up to 3 years, Toyota finally got supply. Itll eventually come down, but the pent up demand will ensure its this years best selling Motor Vehicle in Australia.
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If you were in the market for a BEV and you bought something other than Tesla, you got rocks in your head I reckon, all the other automakers are the equivalent of Daewoo when it comes to making BEVs. Then all of a sudden they realised customers were starting to lean towards BEVs in numbers, so quickly started trying to slap together BEVs on their existing platforms, Now they're worried about Chinese brands making massive inroads into their market, They just put it all on red, and black came up is all. Its part of a cultural problem with American businesses as well, they have this attitude of you should be thankful we're even offering something in your pitiful market, so bow down to us. Where as Chinese businesses are happy to come to the party with the little guy, they'll take sales where they can get them. What does Ford have when it comes to BEVs over someone like BYD, the latter who has significantly more experience in manufacturing and designing BEVs, produces a cheaper car and also produces their own batteries? I think whats going to happen is that Ford will lean into being the commercial vehicle specialist and give up on passenger cars, unless they're based on an LCV platform. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 05-10-2024 at 10:15 AM. |
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2 Chinese brands in the top 10 - ouch!
Where are the Tesla sales?
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Tesla is on the nose.
I have seen reports showing a huge area at the Port of Melbourne filled with Tesla's. There has been recent bad publicity following the recent price drops with no compensation for recently purchased cars.One model dropped $10,000. I was told this by a third party, a Tesla owner had to drive from Mildura to Melbourne to get new tyres as no local tyre shop wanted to touch the vehicle in case they damaged the battery pack. |
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Speaking of BEV price drops...Ford E-Transit large van has had a $35K price drop to move current stock before updated model. |
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The federal government owes me money because they inflated the value of my Caprice during COVID by printing money and handing it to every clown in the country, now economic conditions have tightened they should compensate me for devaluing my shitbox car that they artificially inflated the value of which has now dropped back to its real value World's gone mad, who remembers when cars were things you bought for getting from A to B rather than pseudo 'investments' that have to be protected. I reckon people are just salty over it because they're financing everything rather than paying with cash, too much keeping up with the Jonses rather than living within their means, that's why people are demanding compensation for their own poor decisions like it's Tesla's problem. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 05-10-2024 at 12:07 PM. |
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BEV price drop is huge, Ford BEV division is costing them a mint. |
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But honestly who would pay near 100 k for a Bev Transit
Doesn’t stack up 100000 less 35000 is 65000 might find some takers some virtue signallers |
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05-10-2024, 01:48 PM | #22 | |||
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$100K is a joke, you can buy a lot of diesel and servicing for $35,000. |
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Apparently not many did....and to think the E-Transit was originally priced below the LDV competitor to begin with as well....now at $65K it's only a bit more than the MY24.75 2.0L diesel (121kW/390Nm) version but with 198kW/430Nm it would be a beast in metro traffic.
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Australian electric car sales January to September 2024
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Has the EV market reached saturation point?
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Back in th late 20 teens, Ford brass felt it was late getting into BEV future, bill Ford believed that it was the only way that Ford would survive into the future. Dont get me wrong, Ford saw BEVs as an opportunity to cash in on the green movement spreading across the globe and with government incentives to provide BEVs, it was only natural to see it go all in, following GMs commitment to 100% electric future. Combine that with +200,000 reservations for Lightning in the height of covid when supply restrictions were a major setback and by the time Lightning arrived, most of the early enthusiasm had evaporated. Internally, next Gen BEVs have been getting pushed back regularly and now the new CE1 small BEVs now being promoted as mid sized are the new great hope .. While all this turmoil happened at Ford, the economy started slowing, BEV sales drying up In Europe and North America, our market followed because BEVs are expensive and currently, Toyota is holding all the cards hybrid tech being embraced by more Aussies. My last word, our government fell under the spell of European vehicle regs, our country doesnt need to be so harsh on ending petrol and diesel vehicles just to increase electric sales. As always, the public should decide via a long transition with hybrid vehicles to educate buyers on the virtues of electrification without imposing on our power grid in transition. |
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Toyota really has that compact hybrid SUV buyer base locked up for the next few years. Even if Ford could supply more Escape hybrids, Thers no guarantee it would do much. So thinking wider, Should Ford just stick to it knitting with Ranger/Everest by chasing as many sales as possible (I want to say 2.3 EB Everest but understand thats probably off the table for now) or should Ford AUS be pressing for other products like Maverick and Bronco Sport? Word is that Gen2 Maverick is being developed in RHD but thats probably 2027/2028. Ram and Jeep sales look to be collapsing in USA, I wonder if that becomes an opportunity For Ford to press with more T6 product there, more aggressive pricing with Bronco but also perhaps give Everest a run as a mid sized alternative under Explorer? A 2.3 EB version might be an easy go to if Farley changes his mind on more product.. Last edited by jpd80; 06-10-2024 at 10:06 AM. |
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It feels like these vehicles all have a premium price with a fair bit of (profit) helmet factor added.. You watch the Chinese electric commercials put the knife through that nonsense |
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Probably not, but this is the point where it departs from the S curve of new tech adoption that guys like Tony Seba were saying it would take up in 2017.
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