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Old Today, 05:14 PM   #15151
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Don't make the mistake of thinking this is a localised issue. Here are how other countries are dealign with it:

UK: It is mandatory for care home workers in England to have vaccinations and

English nightclubs and other venues with large crowds will require patrons to present proof of full vaccination from the end of September.


Canada: Canada requires all federal public servants and many other workers (including transportation) to be vaccinated against COVID-19. The vaccine mandate will also include air, train and cruise ship travellers. BC is mandating COVID-19 vaccines for all staff working in long-term care homes and assisted living facilities with other provinces expected to follow suit. From Sept. 13, vaccines are required for patrons of non-essential businesses such as restaurants and movie theatres


Fiji: As of Aug. 15 unvaccinated public servants in Fiji would be forced to go on leave and any public servants who remain unvaccinated by November will be dismissed.


France: All healthcare and care home workers, home aids and urgent care technicians must have had at least their first shot of a COVID-19 vaccine by Sept. 15 and the government has mandated a health pass in many social venues.


Greece: vaccinations are mandatory for nursing home staff and healthcare workers from September. As part of new measures, only vaccinated customers are allowed in bars, cinemas, theatres and other closed spaces.


Indonesia: inoculations were made mandatory in February, with fines of up to 5 million rupiah ($357) for non-compliance.


Italy: A decree approved by the Italian government in March mandates that health workers, including pharmacists, get vaccinated with suspension without pay for non compliance. From Oct 15th it obligatory for all workers either to show proof of vaccination, a negative test or recent recovery from infection.


Saudi Arabia: In May, they mandated that all public and private sector workers wishing to attend a workplace get vaccinated.
Vaccination will also be required to enter any government, private, or education establishments and to use public transport as of Aug. 1.
Saudi citizens will need two doses before they can travel outside the kingdom from Aug. 9.


Switzerland: Swiss people will need to show a COVID-status certificate to enter bars, restaurants and fitness centres from Sept. 13


Micronesia and Poland have also mandated vaccination for all citizens.


The USA is the usual mish mash of differing rules but Federal public serpents must either be vaccinated or face regular testing, mask mandates and travel restrictions.

President Joe Biden on Sept. 10 announced policies requiring all federal employees to get COVID-19 vaccinations and pushing large employers to have their workers inoculated or tested weekly. The new measures would apply to about two-thirds of all U.S. employees, those who work for businesses with more than 100 workers.
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I'm jumping out for a bit before this gets out of control. This has the potential to go south pretty quickly.

I understand people's views and choices, even though I may not agree with them.


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If you don't have the right qualifications for a certain job you want then you go and get them.
If you don't have the right vaccinations for a certain job you want then you go and get them.
You make the choice.
Behaving like a numbskull, creating havoc and taking on the police, well that's your choice too.

As Russell said, your choice providing you accept the consequences.
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So let me ask this question.


Why is it so verboten to counter the official narrative and subsequent actions by the government?
There is a difference between questioning the actions of our elected representatives and spruiking looney fringe conspiracy and anti-vax theories and if you don't know the difference, you'll find out soon enough.

Likewise, fact based debate about vaccinations is fine but if you want to counter peer-reviewed research by qualified teams of people then you'd better have more than an opinion.

Or put another way, on this privately owned and funded forum, I determine what is and isn't acceptable but not without making it clear first before removing those who won't listen.
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So let me ask this question.


Why is it so verboten to counter the official narrative and subsequent actions by the government?
The govt is imposing rules which are totally opposite to the basic human rights in all western democracies.Everyone is allowed to refuse to have to have anything injected into their bodies if they don’t want to.But very soon now unvaccinated people will not be allowed outside of their own house
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There is a difference between questioning the actions of our elected representatives and spruiking looney fringe conspiracy and anti-vax theories and if you don't know the difference, you'll find out soon enough.

Here's the kicker though, everything happening today was considered looney fringe conspiracy crap not 18 months ago.
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If you have a problem with how we (or I) moderate this forum then please feel free to say so and I'll spare you from any future distress over the matter.

That's another choice you are free to make that has consequences.
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Well after my second AZ jab I noticed a marked reduction in the wrinkles on my face.

But again maybe I wuz wrong and it was the cake that did this.

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You wii have a lot less wrinkles if you get outside that in one sitting,will be able to use your gut as a musical drum
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Everyday another employer comes out and says NO jab NO Job.So how long before there won’t be a job that doesn’t require employees to be jabbed,then how long before shops start enforcing the same rule
Businesses are generally entitled to set whatever conditions of entry they want. Patrons agree to enter on those conditions.

“No thongs, no singlets” is a common rule for many pubs, while night clubs refuse entry to those who are too intoxicated.

No jab... No entry, is no different.
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Haven't had much chance to follow the screens today until now. Oh my, what a mess! Doesn't look like a CFMEU issue any more. Journalists being attacked, sprayed with urine, pelted with cans, good luck trying to convince 6m other Victorians that this is about freedom.

This reeks a bit of what happened in the US not long ago. Is there actually someone representing these "protestors", whats the demand? Now would be a good time for some of our leaders at the federal level to make a statement.

Only 44 arrested today........pretty freaken soft for a so called police state. If they don't snub this out fast it could really spiral.

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"The Master Builders of Victoria say they understand the Government's decision to shut the construction industry down for two weeks, and support the vaccine mandate for construction workers."
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I wouldn't have thought construction was a high risk job when it comes to covid. Working outside often, working in small groups.


Politicians should have mandatory vaccines. Work inside in large groups, travel the country, do PR stuff with other politicians or normal citizens.
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Businesses are generally entitled to set whatever conditions of entry they want. Patrons agree to enter on those conditions.

“No thongs, no singlets” is a common rule for many pubs, while night clubs refuse entry to those who are too intoxicated.

No jab... No entry, is no different.
Bit different a dress code to forcing people to have vaccinations which may or may not have long term issues
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I believe the vaccines available are the most important development and will save more lives than anything else developed in the last 20 years. I turned up in the first week I was eligible...so with that out of the way.

Mandating it where there is not the added risk factor of severely at risk people, like in healthcare, that is where the mandate should stop. We are already learning that all of the vaccines have relatively low efficacy (when compared to vaccines for other diseases) at stopping infection. The "do it for those around you" mantra is looking like a bad ad.

You vaccinate for yourself. Personal responsibility. If people want to take on the disease themselves let them. Losing a job because you don't want to get vaccinated in construction should not happen. You cant legislate silly out of people, but the road we are going down is becoming more destabilising than the disease.

IF the vaccine completely prevented infection there would be some merit. But it goes nowhere near that, so stop making rules as if it does.
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Haven't had much chance to follow the screens today until now. Oh my, what a mess! Doesn't look like a CFMEU issue any more. Journalists being attacked, sprayed with urine, pelted with cans, good luck trying to convince 6m other Victorians that this is about freedom.

This reeks a bit of what happened in the US not long ago. Is there actually someone representing these "protestors", whats the demand? Now would be a good time for some of our leaders at the federal level to make a statement.

Only 44 arrested today........pretty freaken soft for a so called police state. If they don't snub this out fast it could really spiral.

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hey sunshine, these "protestors" are just blue collar guys that don,t like like getting railroaded into a untested , cough ,"vaccine"
you got your vaccine right, so you don,t care about the rest. i guess you support immunizing children with an experimental vaccine.

**** the journalist, what a joke. journalism dead, don,t you know that.. lying a holes

now you want to quote a bs chinese media news release, right.
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I wouldn't have thought construction was a high risk job when it comes to covid. Working outside often, working in small groups.
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guess you don,t get out to sites much. if safety is required , safety is a goal, if the job is to be pushed through, safety is ignored.
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hey sunshine, these "protestors" are just blue collar guys that don,t like like getting railroaded into a untested , cough ,"vaccine"
you got your vaccine right, so you don,t care about the rest. i guess you support immunizing children with an experimental vaccine.

**** the journalist, what a joke. journalism dead, don,t you know that.. lying a holes

now you want to quote a bs chinese media news release, right.
Hello sunshine. Lay off the smokes. If you go back through my posts you'll see I'm not a great supporter of forced vaccination, except in healthcare.

Oh, are these the list of demands of the blue collars? Looks bigger than just a protest against mandatory vaccination. Looks more like an attempt to overthrow a democratically elected government, and to remove legislative powers that allows health officials to manage a pandemic.

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Hello sunshine. Lay off the smokes. If you go back through my posts you'll see I'm not a great supporter of forced vaccination, except in healthcare.

Oh, are these the list of demands of the blue collars? Looks bigger than just a protest against mandatory vaccination. Looks more like an attempt to overthrow a democratically elected government, and to remove legislative powers that allows health officials to manage a pandemic

Got to agree with you there, most unskilled workers or labourers haven't got a clue, even on big construction works they have no idea what they are building, just that it's a place they go to everyday, they work and get paid on Friday, then usually hit the pub, or the married fellows go home.

These poor fellows are just happy to have a job and an income, the rest is just out of their scope of things, these "blue collar workers" look like they have an agenda to me, and its very well organised if not chaotic, but someone behind the scenes is doing it, not the union rank and file....


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Got to agree with you there, most unskilled workers or labourers haven't got a clue, even on big construction works they have no idea what they are building, just that it's a place they go to everyday, they work and get paid on Friday, then usually hit the pub, or the married fellows go home.

These poor fellows are just happy to have a job and an income, the rest is just out of their scope of things, these "blue collar workers" look like they have an agenda to me, and its very well organised if not chaotic, but someone behind the scenes is doing it, not the union rank and file....


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I have a couple of mates in the industry. They are hard working, can earn a mint, and are generally clever enough to know right from wrong. BOTH are PRO VAX. Their dads are in the industry, all hard workers and have all the injuries to show for it. I'm not having a crack at the actual workers, I just think that there is something more sinister driving this and taking advantage of MY state.
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I'm not having a crack at the actual workers, I just think that there is something more sinister driving this and taking advantage of MY state.

I know your not, and its more than sinister, it's bloody Evil, this is not normal by any stretch of the imagination, this is how wars start, sadly it reminds me of pre WW2 Germany

I don't like this one bit, it's not un Australian, it's unnatural and a very dangerous place for the democratic countries to be in, everyone talks about China, but its Russia that will benefit most from this, I think it smells like something Russia could orchestrate!
These are riots not protests, organised, not just thrown together by a few of "the boys"!


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