Quickest unopened BOSS Engine

JG3282 · 21-11-2005, 11:59 AM

Was talking to a few guys about this at the All Ford Nationals and the general consensus is that the absolute bench mark for n/a Boss engine performance is still Rod's Pursuit ( prior to the turbo setup ).

Consider this: No flash tune, Full hard top and tail gate still on the car, spare tyre, no internal modifications, not too many external bolt-ons. All it really had was clever development, lots of track time and a top wheel man.

That to me, even if it is not the fastest or quickest, is the absolute benchmark to go by.

Craig · 21-11-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ONGAS

Was talking to a few guys about this at the All Ford Nationals and the general consensus is that the absolute bench mark for n/a Boss engine performance is still Rod's Pursuit ( prior to the turbo setup ).

Consider this: No flash tune, Full hard top and tail gate still on the car, spare tyre, no internal modifications, not too many external bolt-ons. All it really had was clever development, lots of track time and a top wheel man.

That to me, even if it is not the fastest or quickest, is the absolute benchmark to go by.

And what was the numbers??????

parawolf · 21-11-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ONGAS

Was talking to a few guys about this at the All Ford Nationals and the general consensus is that the absolute bench mark for n/a Boss engine performance is still Rod's Pursuit ( prior to the turbo setup ).

Consider this: No flash tune, Full hard top and tail gate still on the car, spare tyre, no internal modifications, not too many external bolt-ons. All it really had was clever development, lots of track time and a top wheel man.

That to me, even if it is not the fastest or quickest, is the absolute benchmark to go by.

No flash tune? so? still had a unichip, so it still had external support.

Most utes run with the tail gate on, just folded down.

External bolt ons? pretty sure rods car had underdrives, exhaust and CAI, also note that rod's ute was run (at times) without a front headlight in position (though in the passenger footwell to maintain street weight) so that in itself is a pretty crazy change that you don't see too often.

So about the only thing you see as a difference is that it ran with a hard lid vs no lid and a folded down tail gate.

Not such a huge difference in my opinion apart from about 30kg in weight.

parawolf · 21-11-2005, 12:28 PM

Oh and don't forget, rod's ute is a Pursuit with a BOSS 290, Chris's ute is a BOSS 260.

Bit of a difference there don't you think?

JG3282 · 21-11-2005, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BA Company Car

And what was the numbers??????

12.62

JG3282 · 21-11-2005, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by parawolf

Oh and don't forget, rod's ute is a Pursuit with a BOSS 290, Chris's ute is a BOSS 260.

Bit of a difference there don't you think?

Was anybody making comparisons?

**Chris** · 21-11-2005, 01:05 PM

Rods car was a pretty quick little unit, remember going for a drive with him one day, memory serves me correctly it was wet and hairy - thank god Rod can drive.....

My vote goes to Chris, ORSMXR. Full weight, SP9000's and a STICK shift. he knows how to steer well too. Plus, he has repeated his numbers on several occasions, whearas I think Rod's 12.62 was a one off.

JG3282 · 21-11-2005, 01:09 PM

Good point Chris. I think Chris's car is a classic example of what I was chatting with the guys about over the weekend.

A quick question though, what would be the weight difference between Pursuit, GT & XR8?

But just on your other point Rod did run a number of 12 second passes.

parawolf · 21-11-2005, 01:19 PM

Ahh okay, i think i misunderstood you on what you were on about.

*sigh* I wish I had a car to play with now... *SOB*

JG3282 · 21-11-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by parawolf

Ahh okay, i think i misunderstood you on what you were on about.

Basically I was chatting with a bunch of guys who said in their opinion Rod set the benchmark and they feel it still sits there as the "one to beat." I tend to agree as far as impact on the scene goes. It was a million light years ahead of everyone else at the time with a whole lot less dollars invested and it will always be the one that stands out as the first BIG performance from a Boss.

I too wish you had a car to play with as well, but if I can't have one, neither can you :jab:

**Chris** · 21-11-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ONGAS

Good point Chris. I think Chris's car is a classic example of what I was chatting with the guys about over the weekend.

A quick question though, what would be the weight difference between Pursuit, GT & XR8?

But just on your other point Rod did run a number of 12 second passes.

I think Rods pursuit would have been the heavier car by far, also running the decklid will add at least 40-60kg, and I know Rod has a few more pounds on him than my slim self. The OFR intake is a big advantage too though, air straight into the throttle body brings my KW into the 290's so a few things cancel themselves out.

I think Rod has only one 12.6 timeslip and a bunch of 12.9's. I think i was running 14.3's when Rods car ran. I ran against him one night, he left me for dead.

Be interesting to see what the BF will produce on the 1/4.

GT 8888 · 21-11-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Rods car was a pretty quick little unit, remember going for a drive with him one day, memory serves me correctly it was wet and hairy - thank god Rod can drive.....

My vote goes to Chris, ORSMXR. Full weight, SP9000's and a STICK shift. he knows how to steer well too. Plus, he has repeated his numbers on several occasions, whearas I think Rod's 12.62 was a one off.

Admire your modesty shagger but surely your car was just as quick if not quicker than Chris's when you were running consistent mid to high 12's ie before you changed the cam timimg.

No doubt ORSM's car is quick and the "boy" can steer but in order to answer the original question ( which should also consider consistency not just one off runs), I think you only need to peep through those venitian blinds for the answer.

JG3282 · 21-11-2005, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Be interesting to see what the BF will produce on the 1/4.

Having been driving them for the last 4 weeks I think I have an idea of what they will do stock

Quadcams · 21-11-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8888

Admire your modesty shagger but surely your car was just as quick if not quicker than Chris's when you were running consistent mid to high 12's ie before you changed the cam timimg.

No doubt ORSM's car is quick and the "boy" can steer but in order to answer the original question ( which should also consider consistency not just one off runs), I think you only need to peep through those venitian blinds for the answer.

Brad change the diff gears on ORSM's car like Chris car has and you would see what Chris's getting at.

:Up_to_som

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gtfpv · 21-11-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ONGAS

Having been driving them for the last 4 weeks I think I have an idea of what they will do stock

pointless statement.

rodderz · 21-11-2005, 06:17 PM

Here we go...I'm surprised there's not more comments saying this or that about Rod only doing the 12.6 once. Point is plenty of us saw it, and he posted the time slip. He ran a string of 12.9's with a flaring auto, and no torque reductions...the fast one was the one where the bos went great for the whole run.

His headlight out has been proven to be no better than the G & D CAI, as was tested on the dyno & track. Lots of diffs were tested, but the 12.6 was done with the original 3:46 gears.

And it was done over 12 months ago....and you have to ask the question why arent some users online much anymore when they come under such scrutiny

Mind you thats taking nothing away from the results Chris has achieved with his and customers cars, which has helped put Ford onto the map for V8 performance!

Quadcams · 21-11-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

Here we go...I'm surprised there's not more comments saying this or that about Rod only doing the 12.6 once. Point is plenty of us saw it, and he posted the time slip. He ran a string of 12.9's with a flaring auto, and no torque reductions...the fast one was the one where the bos went great for the whole run.

His headlight out has been proven to be no better than the G & D CAI, as was tested on the dyno & track. Lots of diffs were tested, but the 12.6 was done with the original 3:46 gears.

And it was done over 12 months ago....and you have to ask the question why arent some users online much anymore when they come under such scrutiny

Mind you thats taking nothing away from the results Chris has achieved with his and customers cars, which has helped put Ford onto the map for V8 performance!

Rodders I didnt see anyone on this thread disagreeing with Rods time that is the time to beat!

rodderz · 21-11-2005, 06:37 PM

It was mainly on the old forums, but the point I was highlighting was the negativity he received about it

There isnt anyone denying the achievement, true...it's the rally of questions and queries that go with it that turns it sour. In the past the time was disputed by a lot of people (and still by some) and knowing Rod well I knew how much hard work he put in to get the time and how much negativity he copped after doing so.

JG3282 · 21-11-2005, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

pointless statement.

I've spent the last 5 minutes trying to think of a response but it would be pointless :thebirds:

xdclevo · 21-11-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ONGAS

not too many external bolt-ons.

Gees, its seems to be getting a bit confusing, because if there was a class for every different mod, there would be 20 different classes. Open and unopened seemed heaps easier. I'm used to "run what ya brung" but split into n/a or forced induction. I just can't keep up with whats going on, but i am trying

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CAMS290 · 21-11-2005, 08:54 PM

I am still blown away by the times that Rod's ute ran, it ran consistent 12.9's and a best of 12.6
Rod was definatly a pioneer in getting these things going, well before the edit was around. He spent countless hours at the track, on the dyno and what more, he ran it with the hard lid and standard diff gears and no stall convertor.
It still has me in awe ! 12 months later !

What i would like to know is:
Quickest un-opened bolt on Boss 260
Quickest un-opened bolt on Boss 290

ALS008 · 21-11-2005, 09:00 PM

Is your car still classified as an "unopened" boss motor Chris???

**Chris** · 21-11-2005, 10:01 PM

No mate, I class it as opened 260, although planty are telling me to claim it as unopened.

take a bolt off it and its opened. thats my rule, which makes Rod's and my car both opened.

BadAss Boss · 21-11-2005, 10:29 PM

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No mate, I class it as opened 260, although planty are telling me to claim it as unopened.

hey biiiaaatchhhh
how was the weekend
has he still got the pusuit if so wats he runnin now

**Chris** · 21-11-2005, 10:35 PM

Greetings Baddass,

weekend was much needed, girlfriend back on side and happy.

A happy girlfriend makes it easier to race.

You be good now, and be kind to your tyres

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XRQTOR · 21-11-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

You be good now, and be kind to your tyres

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Your not getting soft on us are you bud.

Quadcams · 21-11-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Your not getting soft on us are you bud.

Quite the opposite Leigh, I dont think he knows what soft means!

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SLY XR8 · 21-11-2005, 11:30 PM

Think if your going to compare boss motors. compare 260 to 260 and 290 to 290. When Chris ran 12.69 what was the closest other than myself. Think it was kev 13.2. Half a sec quicker that should say somethink. Chris is the fastest by a long way and it is consistent not only a run here and their.

21-11-2005, 11:40 PM

This is hard to read and doesn't make much sense.

Somebody put this into english please.

X ORSMXR · 21-11-2005, 11:45 PM

Well you might say Rod done the number but really the bench mark should have been a 12.9 as that is the consistant time (not takin the boys thunder) but to us racers if you don't back the time up the car has not ran that time it was a fluke run.....

Also if l had the contacts and $$$$,workshop with hoists l would be the one setting the times that is what it comes down too.
No offence to Rod top bloke....