Whats stopping people from buying the Falcon? - Page 7

**DJM83** · 08-01-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Aurion owners are recommended to have their tyres rotated every 10000kms.

Blow that for a joke.

Wow, how much does a tyre rotation cost? Seriously. If you cant afford the maintenance, cant afford the car.

Buntz · 08-01-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Wow, how much does a tyre rotation cost? Seriously. If you cant afford the maintenance, cant afford the car.

Booking, travel time, spent fuel.... How much would place on an inconvenience?

**DJM83** · 08-01-2012, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Booking, travel time, spent fuel.... How much would place on an inconvenience?

Who cares its part of owning a car.
An EVOX has to be serviced every 8k kms. Does that make it not worth buying the car? Anyway thats my point im not going off topic anymore.

burnz · 08-01-2012, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Booking, travel time, spent fuel.... How much would place on an inconvenience?

15 minutes with a jack DIY.
or 10 minutes at jax, bobs, kmart, where ever and "no" booking.

SteveJH · 08-01-2012, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

15 minutes with a jack DIY.
or 10 minutes at jax, bobs, kmart, where ever and "no" booking.

It would take 10 minutes on a hoist and with an air gun? I would have thought they could do it in 5.....lol....

But yeah, how hard is it to rotate the wheels? And aren't you supposed to get an alignment every 6 months or so anyway??

Buntz · 08-01-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

It would take 10 minutes on a hoist and with an air gun? I would have thought they could do it in 5.....lol....

But yeah, how hard is it to rotate the wheels? And aren't you supposed to get an alignment every 6 months or so anyway??

Not necessarily. Still. Every 10000k's would just be annoying. I'd forget most likely.... next thing ya know... replace the front tires.

prydey · 08-01-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Not necessarily. Still. Every 10000k's would just be annoying. I'd forget most likely.... next thing ya know... replace the front tires.

my last set of tyres i was recommended every 5000km. i wouldn't let them go much more than 10000 without rotation.

they are assymetrical so i can do it at home. hardly an inconvenience.

AU Mont · 08-01-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

What a crock of crap.
Go and drive a decent powered hatch- MPS, GTi XR5 et al. Plenty of go when you need it trust me, ive had no trouble overtaking at all.

Wear out quicker, have you owned one? My XR5 has 35k kms on it and it feels like new still (Tyres i can kind of agree but thats tyre choice, factory tyres werent flash).
Can you stop making generalisations please?

the thread is about why people arent buying falcons, not why they arent buying overpriced top of the range turbo 4 bangers

prydey · 08-01-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AU Mont

the thread is about why people arent buying falcons, not why they arent buying top of the range turbo 4 bangers

technically, thats one of the biggest reasons.

without talking about discounts, a new xr6 or G6/G6E will cost you between $37 - $50k.

that can get you a lot of car in the small and mid classes. these cars still do 90% of what a large car can do. about the only things that a large car has in advantage is slightly more shoulder room, slightly more luggage depending on what mid car you compare it to, and slightly larger towing capacity. small/mid cars have them covered in nearly every other area for the average joe.

many families buy a hot hatch so that dad can still have some performance whilst still retaining some economy.

4.0i_SiX · 08-01-2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Wow, how much does a tyre rotation cost? Seriously. If you cant afford the maintenance, cant afford the car.

You think thats bad, in the 4x4 world Coopers want you to rotate tyres every 5000k by an authorised dealer or they will void your warranty. Too bad their tyres fall apart before that happens :P

Back on topic, get behind the wheel of a 35k falcon and not much in that price range will drive as smoothly IMO
Hell even our 03 BA drives better than alot of newer cars, particularly the new "small" cars

**DJM83** · 08-01-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AU Mont

the thread is about why people arent buying falcons, not why they arent buying overpriced top of the range turbo 4 bangers

are you on about
Small cars are a big reason why large cars dont sell, if you bother to read the WHOLE thread you might understand.
Overpriced, you havnt got a clue.

AU Mont · 08-01-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

these cars still do 90% of what a large car can do. about the only things that a large car has in advantage is slightly more shoulder room, slightly more luggage depending on what mid car you compare it to,

would have to disagree

there is a huuuge difference in interior & boot space in my AU compared to the wife's 08' Liberty. Given theres only 14cm width & 23cm difference i swear in person the difference is much bigger

prydey · 08-01-2012, 10:13 PM

so just disregard the word 'sightly' in my post then.

b0son · 08-01-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AU Mont

there is a huuuge difference in interior & boot space in my AU compared to the wife's 08' Liberty.

I dont recall ever being able to carry more in my BA than I could in the GTI. Boot shallower than a baby's wading pool, rear door opening too small to get anything of size on the back seat...

Your opinion of large cars diminishes somewhat when you cant even bring home a 2-drawer filing cabinet in a Falcon while the GTI takes it with ease.

martyk54 · 08-01-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

So do we get rid of trucks and delivery vans etc as well, quite obviously you could do with a few more driving lessons.....

Lol.. I've got a perfect driving record so far champ, hardly. Driving ability has nothing to do with my point anyway. If you're restricted to seeing all but the brake lights of the car in front of you, it restricts your ability to react as quickly. This is fact.

Are stupid assumptions a common theme on this forum or what? I never said lets get rid of SUVs or 4WDs. You're purely fetching at a pathetic attempt to glorify your reply with made up rubbish. Back to drawing board bud.

jpd80 · 08-01-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

I dont recall ever being able to carry more in my BA than I could in the GTI. Boot shallower than a baby's wading pool, rear door opening too small to get anything of size on the back seat...

Your opinion of large cars diminishes somewhat when you cant even bring home a 2-drawer filing cabinet in a Falcon while the GTI takes it with ease.

i agree with what you're saying and it demonstrates just how much European and Asian car divisions
have listened to buyers who now demand more utility and flexibility of space and carrying capacity,
a large SEDAN is very limited these days, hence my suggestion Falcon become a 5-door hatchback.
A slight change needing considerable engineering but yielding a much more usable vehicle

Auslandau · 08-01-2012, 10:40 PM

Settle down with the petty jibes and arguments and stick with the topic. It is no worries to discuss whats going on with other cars (big, small, whatever) if this is the reason why the Falcons are not moving ..... just keep the personal crap out of it please...............

**DJM83** · 08-01-2012, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

A slight change needing considerable engineering but yielding a much more usable vehicle

That would definitely be different. I found in my old AU, yeah there was a fair bit of space in the boot but with the seats folded down i found the issue ie they didnt quite fold down enough. Whereas my Focus i can fold them down and remove the parcel shelf aswell adding a little more room (Not that i bought it for its luggage carrying skills).

prydey · 08-01-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

i agree with what you're saying and it demonstrates just how much European and Asian car divisions
have listened to buyers who now demand more utility and flexibility of space and carrying capacity,
a large SEDAN is very limited these days, hence my suggestion Falcon become a 5-door hatchback.
A slight change needing considerable engineering but yielding a much more usable vehicle

its nothing new. bought a 51cm tv about 20 years ago give or take. i had a ea and mrs had a kf laser. long story short, it wouldn't fit in the ea so we had to go back in the laser and it fitted probably due to its a hatch.

i don't like your idea for a falcon hatch though, although there are some good 5 doors around. (is the xf jag a 5 door?)

Resurrection · 08-01-2012, 10:51 PM

Q. Whats stopping people from buying the Falcon?
A. Poor product perception.

P6LTD351 · 08-01-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

Q. Whats stopping people from buying the Falcon?
A. Poor product perception.

Bingo.

The Falcon is a great car. The public don't perceive it to be. Ford needs to change public perception.

4.0i_SiX · 08-01-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

Q. Whats stopping people from buying the Falcon?
A. Poor product perception.

agreed 100%

Many of our family friends wont touch a falcon, but as soon as they hop in our BA, they can't comment enough on how nice a car it is to ride in

jpd80 · 08-01-2012, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

Bingo.

The Falcon is a great car. The public don't perceive it to be. Ford needs to change public perception.

Example of alternative product: Territory RWD I-6, 10.6 l/100 km and $39,990 drive away.
IMO, giving up 0.6 l/100 km to get a spacious vehicle with higher seating position, looks good.
That's just one example of the kind of competition large sedans are facing.....

4.0i_SiX · 08-01-2012, 11:25 PM

almost anything with a ford badge, most people i know will stick their nose up at it. It has to be jap or euro before they will look at it.

MethodX · 08-01-2012, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.0i_SiX

almost anything with a ford badge, most people i know will stick their nose up at it. It has to be jap or euro before they will look at it.

Cant say that on here man...

Fiesta maybe..

4.0i_SiX · 08-01-2012, 11:55 PM

haha sorry but the truth hurts, dont get me wrong im ford all the way but some people just see a ford badge and run for the hills

2011G6E · 09-01-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Aurion owners are recommended to have their tyres rotated every 10000kms.

Blow that for a joke.

I thought all cars are recommended to have thier tyres rotated every six months or so to help your tyres last longer? No real surprise there, and it's certainly nothing to do with front wheel drive...it's just a common way of making your tyres last.

uranium_death · 09-01-2012, 12:04 AM

I wonder why people flock to the Commodore rather than the Falcon.

Ignorance/unfounded prejudice plays a role. A lady at work drives a VE Berlina and calls it a "real car" when compared to my BFII XT Falcon...
I asked her why she doesn't like the Falcon and the best she could say is, "I just don't."

She's never driven a Falcon in her life! She's 20 years older than I am (at least!). I have driven both. I like them both, but I like the Falcon 6 over the Commodore 6, and I love the interior. Practical as hell, the ride is better, engine quieter and smoother...
Her view is that Holdens are Australian and Fords are American. When I advised her that Ford has been manufacturing here since 1925, she didn't know what to say.

Holden got in with the Australian message a long time ago, and Ford really haven't pushed it...
That's my experience...

I personally want to see Ford prosper and I am looking forward to a global-platform large car. The Falcon is no longer viable as an Australian-only model. For a micro-market where large car sales are declining, it makes the most sense.

Falc'man · 09-01-2012, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by uranium_death

I wonder why people flock to the Commodore rather than the Falcon.

Ignorance/unfounded prejudice plays a role. A lady at work drives a VE Berlina and calls it a "real car" when compared to my BFII XT Falcon...
I asked her why she doesn't like the Falcon and the best she could say is, "I just don't."

She's never driven a Falcon in her life! She's 20 years older than I am (at least!). I have driven both. I like them both, but I like the Falcon 6 over the Commodore 6, and I love the interior. Practical as hell, the ride is better, engine quieter and smoother...
Her view is that Holdens are Australian and Fords are American. When I advised her that Ford has been manufacturing here since 1925, she didn't know what to say.

Holden got in with the Australian message a long time ago, and Ford really haven't pushed it...
That's my experience...

I personally want to see Ford prosper and I am looking forward to a global-platform large car. The Falcon is no longer viable as an Australian-only model. For a micro-market where large car sales are declining, it makes the most sense.

It's all got to do wiff Peter Brooks. He was their face for a long time, innocent, friendly, gentleman, won a lot of races, had everything going for him, V8s, polarisers, Bev, and he spoke wiff an Aussie accent, unlike FPV's ambassador, who speaks with guess which accent?

uranium_death · 09-01-2012, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

It's all got to do wiff Peter Brooks. He was their face for a long time, innocent, friendly, gentleman, won a lot of races, had everything going for him, V8s, polarisers, Bev, and he spoke wiff an Aussie accent, unlike FPV's ambassador, who speaks with guess which accent?

Ford should have got in 30 years ago with the pro-Australian advertising!

You are true - Brock marketed the car with his performances and with who he was, but that creates brand perception - what has been posted prior.

Ford has been like a whimper in creating any pro-Australian perception for a while...