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Old 09-12-2018, 02:44 PM   #151
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It is a mistake to equate vehicle height with rollover stability.
In addition, your argument complete ignores SUV like the Tesla Model X, the Jaguar I-PACE, and the Mercedes EQC.

All of these SUV have a very heavy battery pack below the CoG, and are significantly more “stable”

than the petrol power sedans.
Nobody mentioned those particular more unusual vehicles, talking about the average run of the mill SUV

But thanks, that's a good point which adds to my reasoning...

Yes, the low mount of heavy batteries gives the vehicles you mentioned a lower centre of gravity than your average SUV
& so helps with the stability of those vehicles.
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Old 09-12-2018, 02:54 PM   #152
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Yup........

There are still a few of us who would much rather drive a Ferrari than a double-decker bus.
Funnily enough, probably as many Ferrari’s rollover as double decker busses do
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Old 09-12-2018, 02:57 PM   #153
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Funnily enough, probably as many Ferrari’s rollover as double decker busses do
I reckon more Ferrari's would get rolled than double-deckers

but that would more likely just because of the way some people drive them.
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Old 09-12-2018, 06:46 PM   #154
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Again, rollover characteristics have little to do with overall safety. The ESC in most modern SUV respond by fully locking the brakes when rollover is anticipated. This causes the tyres to slide, and prevent a rollover. Preventing rollovers was the justification for fitting ESC to the Ford Territory when it first came out. (Toyota didn't do as good a job with the Kluger, hence the infamous rollover incident reported by Wheels.)
My car has similar but is called ESP -Electronic Stability Program- and would not lock all four wheels (as the car would then be completely uncontrollable) but applies the brakes in whichever corner needed it, and if necessary reduce the engine power.
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Old 09-12-2018, 09:15 PM   #155
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My car has similar but is called ESP -Electronic Stability Program- and would not lock all four wheels (as the car would then be completely uncontrollable) but applies the brakes in whichever corner needed it, and if necessary reduce the engine power.
Yes, you are correct. (I left a few key words out in my haste to provide a response.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active...ver_protection

More details here (warning, maths content)

https://web.archive.org/web/20110928.../07-0136-O.pdf
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Old 09-12-2018, 11:50 PM   #156
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If you can't beat them, join them.

I have the last of the Ford Territory AWD diesel.

What a magic car this is.

Three years old with 86,000kms and not one skerrick of a problem.

A quiet, comfortable long-distance cruiser; and reasonably economical.

It is also a great tow vehicle. It pulls a 2 tonne caravan with ease. Just drop in into D, release the brakes and the car, with 'van, will start to edge forward at idle. Towing cruising speed is 100km/h.

Don't knock the SUVs

No fancy doodas on my car.
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Stating the bleeding obvious I know... A vehicle with a higher centre of gravity is always going to be more prone to roll over than one with a lower.

I'd much rather go fast around a corner in a Ferrari than a double-decker bus.
Thing is... How fast do you have to be going in the Ferrari to get the thrill of cornering, the modern sports cars I've driven are so easy to drive, I think it does more for your ego than the actual thrill.

now putting a well balanced SUV through the Black Spur in Victoria at pace is a better test of driving skills IMO.
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Take an suv to tassie and do a tour of the island. It's a great way way to go bald and grey simultaneously.
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Thing is... How fast do you have to be going in the Ferrari to get the thrill of cornering, the modern sports cars I've driven are so easy to drive, I think it does more for your ego than the actual thrill.

now putting a well balanced SUV through the Black Spur in Victoria at pace is a better test of driving skills IMO.
Yes a good point. My old man drove a GTR Skyline in Japan at 250km/h on the highway and said it felt as comfortable as a Falcon at 150km/h.
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I find that owning a SUV doesn’t feel like they date as fast as sedans. I have a simple 4 cylinder Xtrail and it’s a roomy, solid, comfortable car which is really easy to live with. I don’t really desire to get rid of it. As there is only so much more utility you can give something that is already really practical.

Whereas sedans are really not that practical, so you buy one for performance, or luxury or value, so it always felt like I was chasing the next best thing.
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Finally found an SUV I'd enjoy owning .. and its actually one of the original Sport Utility Vehicles, not a FWD wagon stretched vertically

https://jalopnik.com/an-illinois-com...sed-1830970324
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Finally found an SUV I'd enjoy owning .. and its actually one of the original Sport Utility Vehicles, not a FWD wagon stretched vertically

https://jalopnik.com/an-illinois-com...sed-1830970324
USD120-180k ?
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Finally found an SUV I'd enjoy owning .. and its actually one of the original Sport Utility Vehicles, not a FWD wagon stretched vertically

https://jalopnik.com/an-illinois-com...sed-1830970324
No offense but that would be awful to drive. if modern SUVs were like that they wouldn't sell at all.
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No offense but that would be awful to drive. if modern SUVs were like that they wouldn't sell at all.
Yep .. agree entirely .. it is a vehicle you have to consciously drive. Most people don't want that.
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