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Old 18-05-2005, 10:54 PM   #31
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Should check out the 1/4 mile times of an RS2000 and a 5.8 ESP falcon of the same era...
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Old 18-05-2005, 11:20 PM   #32
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Should check out the 1/4 mile times of an RS2000 and a 5.8 ESP falcon of the same era...
no arguement there. but with close to 3 times the engine capacity and twice the cylinders, you would expect the ESP to just get a nose in front :-)

mind you, if you fancy a drive on some nice WA ball bearing gravel.... :eclipsee_ :-)

the point was more being made towards those who think a wheezy 6 pot is a performance vehicle. it may be more comfortable, carry more people and accelerate better after 120, but comparing it to an escort isnt really fair. claiming it is quicker is just silly.


it is really just a matter of different cars serving different purposes. i have got an XR6 and wouldnt drive anything less powerful in the country. comfortable, quiet and overtakes in a flash. i have done 1000kms in a day and got out feeling fine. the RS is noisy, uncomfortable and goes well until about 140 when it starts to slow down, but would eat the XR in an autokhana. and as for the laser wagon, there isnt another car around that i would take the dog to the beach in, put old panels in and happily leave in a shopping centre car park and the mini is just the most fun you can have on four wheels. oh, and the XR4 is a loveable monster...

seriously, i am not having a go, just reminding car enthusiasts that there is more to life than what they happen to drive. i love the rumble of a v8, or the scream of a weber-fed pinto. i can appreciate most cars ( dont like ricers or VN commodes, but that is just a taste thing) and can happily look at a restored FJ, a well cared for Jag or a brand new GT Falcon but it is a bit sad when people who claim to be enthusiasts palm off 'lesser' cars without really having a clue about them.

anyway, rant over and i will not be drawn into any more arguements. for a while anyway :-)
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Old 18-05-2005, 11:56 PM   #33
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there's an RS2000 in this weeks Trading post (melb) for 3k.

I doubt they'd leave any decent commodore or Falcon at the lights though, maybe for the first 50 metres.

Get an XR6! Manual!
I just stated an opinion. I'm yet to be proven wrong.

As I said earlier, an old escort will more than likely require a bit of work to get running reliably. You all read waaaaaaaay too much into my original post. I know why. Cause of car snobbery. Eh LuvinmyEB. ;)

Haha Calder. lol. how about heathcote! Not once did I state that an Escort wouldn't win off the mark, quote that madestman ? Over the 1/4 is what I meant.

I don't even know what cars we are comparing anymore. I'm sorry if some of you got a bit aggitated, or upset bye my so called ignorant and deluded comments. The guy asked for advice on what he should buy, I said an XR6 as it seemed obvious he wants an Esky. =/ Wooden spoons for all.

More chill pills guys, or perhaps some Valium.

BTW My EA is an Awesome Rally car. :P [/endsarcasm]
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Old 18-05-2005, 11:57 PM   #34
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*standing ovation for RSgerry*

Well said mate, particularly the part below I've quoted below!
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the point was more being made towards those who think a wheezy 6 pot is a performance vehicle. it may be more comfortable, carry more people and accelerate better after 120, but comparing it to an escort isnt really fair. claiming it is quicker is just silly.
Anyway, back to the point of this thread, you convinced yet mate?

Oh and Damo, you want one of us to prove it? I'm guessing you haven't bothered to view the videos I provided links to... I'd be only too happy to have my Escort flog your Falcon, if you lose to me(which you will at least to 100km/h, of that I am positive), will you finally admit that you were wrong, or will you just make up excuses why you got owned by a car packing half the cubic inches and 2 less cylinders? :hihi:
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Old 19-05-2005, 06:17 AM   #35
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Easy boys..... it's all fun and games until someone loses a drag race... haha.

Seriously - don't make this thread end here! ing_sm

The point of the thread is buying an Esky vs EB-ED XR6 vs LJ Torana vs maybe something else.

As RSGerry said, and I agree with, it's ok to appreciate different cars for what they are.

My only personal opinion to add to this is that my 1979 RS2000 is definitely more reliable than any 6 cyl Falcon I have owned, including the BA XR6 which is disappointing for me, but I will say I have had a bad run with Falcons (hence the reason I will never buy another). It all just depends on the vehicle in question. You get good ones and you get bad ones, anyone knows this!

But just keep the thread civil, gentlemen! :

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Old 19-05-2005, 10:43 AM   #36
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Easy boys..... it's all fun and games until someone loses a drag race... haha.

Seriously - don't make this thread end here! ing_sm

The point of the thread is buying an Esky vs EB-ED XR6 vs LJ Torana vs maybe something else.

As RSGerry said, and I agree with, it's ok to appreciate different cars for what they are.

My only personal opinion to add to this is that my 1979 RS2000 is definitely more reliable than any 6 cyl Falcon I have owned, including the BA XR6 which is disappointing for me, but I will say I have had a bad run with Falcons (hence the reason I will never buy another). It all just depends on the vehicle in question. You get good ones and you get bad ones, anyone knows this!

But just keep the thread civil, gentlemen! :

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No problem, can do

I think most of us who have participated in this thread have shown a decent level of maturity, with the obvious exception where someone started their post with "haha, **** **** ****."

I can also appreciate different cars for what they are. Personally, given the choice between a Falcon and an Escort for a long trip, I would choose the falcon without hesitation, because it is the better tool for the job. But if I was going for a drive along the great ocean road, for example, there is no way I would even consider taking the Falcon, because it would not be as enjoyable as the Escort along there.

I just think it's sad that some people can't admit that they may be wrong, even when several people tell them that they are mistaken. And sorry, but I do find it extremely amusing that anybody could seriously believe that a stock EA would have any chance of being quicker then an Escort. :hihi:

Now, I'm probably going to get shot down for this, but I actually don't mind LJ Toranas, and if the choice was between a LJ Torana and a EB-ED XR6 Falcon, I'd actually choose the Torana, despite my preference for Fords.

Anyway, I have no problem with keeping it civil, after all, I have not made outrageous claims or implied that anybody is a ****er, lol!
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Old 19-05-2005, 11:15 AM   #37
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Id go an RS :P

I picked mine up for $1800 5 years ago... for that i got a car that had a stuffed motor (big end noises stuffed rings etc) and needed rust removed respray and interior re trimmed but it also came with basically enough bits to build another RS :P

Firstly RS Guards are not required to put the RS front on... you can modify the original guards, but still not an easy job and you would be better off buying an RS than trying to make one. BTW i did look at putting an RS front on since my RS came with a spare nose and bonnet but have decided against it.

As far as economy I cant speak for my MkII RS but my Dad's MkI 2ltr has gotten as high as 45MPG on a trip from Adelaide to Melbourne (Standard carb, 5 speed box and 3.54 diff). Econemy depends a lot on the carby and diff ratio.

That EFi setup is off of a Sierra and can be bought from various places for about $500 IIRC

Quaife LSD isnt cheap... not quite $2000 though more like $1200 and yes original LSD's are very hard to come by since they were optional only in europe and only on RS's (Including RS2000's, TwinCam's, Mexico's and RS1600's not just RS1800's)

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Also you can bolt the Sierra 5-speed box straight in to get overdrive
There is a bit more to it though... including moving the hole for the gear lever, moving gearbox mounts (for some reason this is needed in a MkII Manual shell but in a MkI Manuall shell it isnt needed), different gearbox crossmember and a longer speedo cable.. but otherwise it mounts straight up... The Gearbox is about $500 IIRC too...

Lastly I have driven both a 5speed E-series I6 and 2Ltr Esky manual and the E-series would be left behind easily... (BTW both cars were modded to a similay level) and trough the twisty's i would much rather drive my old MkI with a 1300cc engine in it! (as it had when i bought it) than my EA Ghia... the EA wouldnt even come close... But for comfort an E-series is miles ahead of an esky.. Escorts are very noisy rough riding and small compared to an E-series but that is part of the fun of an Escort :P
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Old 19-05-2005, 09:29 PM   #38
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thats for the opinions , im more after a fun car, after more thought, im starting to think lj vs rs. but something i can have as a daily driver. im not gonna drive long distances, but in the next couple of years i wanna take a trip over to SA to catch up with everyone from fordforums. so i think a 5sp is the way to go. my old mans pretty handy with a tools, so the job wouldnt be a problem.

weyl see how it goes, because im starting to think, well ill see what i can find. i like all cars, but these forums are the best. so you cant all hang **** on me if i get an lj and come cruizin with yas :P

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Old 19-05-2005, 11:42 PM   #39
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if you are going to be doing any serious amount of country running, a falcon is definitely the go. however, if you are after fun, then the escort cant be beaten. i have always had a bit of a soft spot for the torana. not as chuckable as the escort, but the eski never came with a 5 litre v8.....
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however, if you are after fun, then the escort cant be beaten. i have always had a bit of a soft spot for the torana. not as chuckable as the escort, but the eski never came with a 5 litre v8.....
I agree, I've always had a soft spot for the torana too, they are not as chuckable as an Escort (I suspected other Escort drivers would know what I mean when I referred to them as 'chuckable', LOL) but as you said, the Escort never came with a huge engine either...

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so you cant all hang **** on me if i get an lj and come cruizin with yas
Don't worry, I wouldn't, although I'd be only too happy to demonstrate how much more nimble an Escort is compared to a Torana :P
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Old 20-05-2005, 07:54 PM   #41
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I've owned an EBXR6 and 4 RS2000's...

For pure driving enjoyment, the RS2000 wins. Chuck the standard shifter and get a competition one (if you think the RS quickshift is quick and notchy, the competition one blows it away!!!) , replace the steering rack with a quick rack, and bolt on a set of 3.77 diff gears instead of the 3.54's and you have a really fun car. Oh and those scheel seats...
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Old 20-05-2005, 08:12 PM   #42
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If you are looking for a parts car, try
HERE:
"Also for wrecking:
1980 2 door RS2000 Escort, rollover, stripped but have bonnet, front guards, boot and spoiler, gauges, diff, rear swaybar & springs and more (no seats, nosecone/motor/box)
2 door Escort 2 litre 4 speed 95% complete car"


or if after a complete restorer, try HERE:
2 X Genuine RS2000 Escorts 1980 models, 1 is a Red 2 door and the other is a blue 4 door, both have running standard engines, spare engine and gearbox, neither of the cars are registered.

These cars together or separately would make excellent car club cars to modify or keep as standard.

$4500 the lot or $2250 each.
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Old 20-05-2005, 08:16 PM   #43
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i have always had a bit of a soft spot for the torana. not as chuckable as the escort, but the eski never came with a 5 litre v8.....
neither did the LJ Torrie... I've owned a warm LJ with a red 202, yella terra etc etc, was a replica XU1, it went like the clappers, a screaming red motor has an appealing sound imho. The Torana was very old skool as far as the driveline went, it was a real DIY kinda car, but went quite well for the money spent on it. These days they are throwing in turbo RB30ET and 5 speeds from the VL's.. That would be a very fast and balanced car.

I now own the little MK1 2 door Eskie, it is definately more nimble that the Torana but atm sits with a 1300 and auto combo so I can't really guage the handling when your are giving it the curry.. Both the LJ and Eskie are better cars than an XR6 as far as performance goes. Narrow down your search to those two forget the Falcon unless you need to do some towing or need 4 doors.

The rarity of a 2 door LJ might suprise you, you'll pay a pretty penny for a decent LJ compared to the 2 door Eskie equivilent.
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Old 12-06-2005, 10:52 PM   #44
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hey all, new to all this but i have 1 word 4 all of u..... rotary
get ur esky, leave the outside dead stock, drop in a turbo 13B and work it till it grows balls... no other motor revs harder and no other motor is as balanced as a rotary... ive seen these things rev out to like 12,000 rpm... well thats all i gotta say... ive got a 12A carby in mine n she still goes like a shower of .. anyways im done now
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Welcome to the forums! Get some photos of the car up, I'm building a high performance Escort and had considered the rotary route but decided to boost the Pinto instead.

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