Good value second hand cars - COVID times, Falcon/Commodore tax - Page 8

smoo · 07-03-2023, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

First step on that car would be to remove the ridicules exhaust tip/s! Why would someone ruin a Calais by welding some pipe onto the exhaust is beyond me.

Yeah not wrong.

Franco Cozzo · 07-03-2023, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I'd rather a TL50!

Thats fine, someone has to have the poor cousin

One has the wheezer and one has the mighty LS

smoo · 07-03-2023, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...13996136/?Cr=0

One owner, ridgy didge original.

WHII has the bigger front brakes too.

Was the Misso's daily driver, so it should only have a minimum amount of car parking scrapes and damage

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That’s nice.
I was obsessed with these when they came out, I think I was 12 and the old man worked at Holden.
Can remember wheels or motor did a comparison with the Jag XJR.

ozpacman · 07-03-2023, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

DFB, my bro has the Stype in that light metallic blue in perfect nick.
Bought it the same time I got the T3.

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FTE - Just as a quick aside, how has your brother found the ownership experience of the S-Type? These have always piqued my interest, but I've always admired them from afar and never been quite game to take one on.

Franco Cozzo · 07-03-2023, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by smoo

That’s nice.
I was obsessed with these when they came out, I think I was 12 and the old man worked at Holden.
Can remember wheels or motor did a comparison with the Jag XJR.

I like WH Statto/Caprice/Grange - they're way bigger than the VR/VS models.

4990mm long and 1794mm wide for VR/VS
5170mm long and 1847mm wide for WH

Doesn't have the Serena Williams bum look that the VT/VX Commodore has.

You can notice the extra length and width in the back seats, my aunty had a WH Statesman w/LS1 as her daily, fit me and my cousins in the back no dramas

**DFB FGXR6** · 07-03-2023, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Thats fine, someone has to have the poor cousin

One has the wheezer and one has the mighty LS

The same mighty LS that burnt oil, had piston slap and sounded like crap compared to the Windsor?

Franco Cozzo · 07-03-2023, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

The same mighty LS that burnt oil, had piston slap and sounded like crap compared to the Windsor?

Meh, was rectified in a recall and then had Ford on the ropes for nearly 15 years until the Miami came about, and even then they come out with the LSA to counter.

What was Ford's response, the 5.4L 3V and 4V boat anchors? They're the Alloytec of the Ford world

smoo · 07-03-2023, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I like WH Statto/Caprice/Grange - they're way bigger than the VR/VS models.

4990mm long and 1794mm wide for VR/VS
5170mm long and 1847mm wide for WH

Doesn't have the Serena Williams bum look that the VT/VX Commodore has.

You can notice the extra length and width in the back seats, my aunty had a WH Statesman w/LS1 as her daily, fit me and my cousins in the back no dramas

Yeah, it may have been in that comparo with the Jaguar, wheels declared the WH had more rear leg room than any other car on the market.
In my final year at school i was a car groomer at one of the Holden dealers. Moved a lot of LS1 powered VT and VXs around the yard, and I think more suffered piston slap than Holden claimed. A lot of them were knocking/ticking when cold.

pottery beige · 07-03-2023, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...13996136/?Cr=0

One owner, ridgy didge original.

WHII has the bigger front brakes too.

Was the Misso's daily driver, so it should only have a minimum amount of car parking scrapes and damage

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A true gentlemans saloon

Franco Cozzo · 07-03-2023, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by smoo

Yeah, it may have been in that comparo with the Jaguar, wheels declared the WH had more rear leg room than any other car on the market.
In my final year at school i was a car groomer at one of the Holden dealers. Moved a lot of LS1 powered VT and VXs around the yard, and I think more suffered piston slap than Holden claimed. A lot of them were knocking/ticking when cold.

It took until VY to get it sorted where they used a different block and some other internal changes I believe.

Falcon SXR8 · 07-03-2023, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by smoo

In my final year at school i was a car groomer at one of the Holden dealers. Moved a lot of LS1 powered VT and VXs around the yard, and I think more suffered piston slap than Holden claimed. A lot of them were knocking/ticking when cold.

I had a mate with a statesman back then used to crap on about how much better his ls was than my windsor. Poor bloke didn't know his crappy motor sounded like a diesel it was slappin harder than will smith.

**DJM83** · 07-03-2023, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Meh, was rectified in a recall and then had Ford on the ropes for nearly 15 years until the Miami came about, and even then they come out with the LSA to counter.

What was Ford's response, the 5.4L 3V and 4V boat anchors? They're the Alloytec of the Ford world

Had Ford on the a ropes?
You are forgetting the little brother in the Ford range....

Franco Cozzo · 07-03-2023, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Had Ford on the a ropes?
You are forgetting the little brother in the Ford range....

I'm specifically talking about V8s, but yes I'm quite aware about the XR6T and the F6

But if we want to compare the range, how many VT/VX sold compared to the AU?

fgpsi · 08-03-2023, 10:34 AM

Prices still crazy, nobody wants to sell, just trying to milk out every last covid tax dollar (or cent). Absolute muppets

**fordomatic** · 08-03-2023, 09:05 PM

This only got to 15k last night. I know of two manuals that sold for 35k and 33k respectively with 100km on them mid covid. Granted this one doesn't look perfect, but shows the current market.

https://www.grays.com/lot/0001-20074...94Vbg90_WLq7eY

fgpsi · 08-03-2023, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by fordomatic

This only got to 15k last night. I know of two manuals that sold for 35k and 33k respectively with 100km on them mid covid. Granted this one doesn't look perfect, but shows the current market.

https://www.grays.com/lot/0001-20074...94Vbg90_WLq7eY

Did grays try to milk it out for like 2 hours after it was meant to end with fake bidders like what they do with all their other cars ? 😀

fgpsi · 10-03-2023, 11:18 AM

My bro wants to buy a manual 2013 fg xr6 na ute . dealership asking 26k drive away with 170k ks lol. Reckon same car wouldve been $16,000 at the start of 2020. What you reckon he can get it down to ? From past experience dealers don't drop much holding out for the silly bastard who is in need of a car fast. $26,000 is turbo prices lol

**fordomatic** · 10-03-2023, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by fgpsi

My bro wants to buy a manual 2013 fg xr6 na ute . dealership asking 26k drive away with 170k ks lol. Reckon same car wouldve been $16,000 at the start of 2020. What you reckon he can get it down to ? From past experience dealers don't drop much holding out for the silly bastard who is in need of a car fast. $26,000 is turbo prices lol

Don't buy a car like that from a dealer is my first advice. Seen a few around 15-18k lately. Dealer won't drop bugger all, they know they can get good money for utes, it's why they priced it high.

fgpsi · 10-03-2023, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fordomatic

Don't buy a car like that from a dealer is my first advice. Seen a few around 15-18k lately. Dealer won't drop bugger all, they know they can get good money for utes, it's why they priced it high.

Cheapest manual fg xr6 ute with ok kms is $21k on carsales. He wants a manual as hes scared of the zf milkshake and the 5 speed auto is a sh*t box. He is a painter and decorator, I told him to get a van but he loves his utes

**fordomatic** · 10-03-2023, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fgpsi

Cheapest manual fg xr6 ute with ok kms is $21k on carsales. He wants a manual as hes scared of the zf milkshake and the 5 speed auto is a sh*t box. He is a painter and decorator, I told him to get a van but he loves his utes

Sounds like he'll need to get his wallet out then. No way I'd be paying over 20k for an FG N/A ute, but that's me. Good luck.

saam · 10-03-2023, 10:06 PM

Im seeing more toys being off loaded now compared to the covid tax.

How long can the tax last for as i am already seeing the drop

roKWiz · 11-03-2023, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by saam

Im seeing more toys being off loaded now compared to the covid tax.

How long can the tax last for as i am already seeing the drop

I see the interest rate hikes are starting to bite and prices are starting to fall.

**FTE217** · 20-03-2023, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ozpacman

FTE - Just as a quick aside, how has your brother found the ownership experience of the S-Type? These have always piqued my interest, but I've always admired them from afar and never been quite game to take one on.

sorry for the late response, look I'm with you on the reluctance of owning Any Jag as much as some have great shapes, like a XJS V12 always grabbed my eye but I know what it would do to my pockets.
Moving on STypes arn't much better, what he's had it for over 20yrs now, its in perfect nick looks wise giving it a look over but he's had his issues that I can't recall all but I'll have a chat with him to get a brief and report back.
I know being a 20yr old Jag or about mid/late last year he was chasing a replacement gearbox for eg.....

**FTE217** · 20-03-2023, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

I see the interest rate hikes are starting to bite and prices are starting to fall.

Possibly as saam mentions the "toys" those with quite a few of them maybe lighting up their load more than those with say 1 or 2.

Talking "volume" typical 2hand popular I still see the market pretty good due to new car waits from 6mths to 18mths depending the brand and price bracket.

I just was hunting for a low k euro not wanting to wait so long for a new one and I couldn't believe my bad luck last Thursday, 2 cars went from under my hunt/watch within an hour or so that morning.
Next day another went before I knew it.
The new car shortage/or more so slow supply sure is keeping the 2nd hand market turning over very well.
Sure pricing isn't to what it was not long out of covid but its still pretty strong with buyers here there and everywhere having had discussions with dealers.

hayseed · 02-04-2023, 09:30 PM

There's been some work put into this old car...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/6412...6572586028615/

Franco Cozzo · 03-04-2023, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

There's been some work put into this old car...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/6412...6572586028615/

I like the Ecoboost conversion but I don't think it's worth the price tag on that thing, missing four cylinders

It's not original and it's not a coupe, absolute bastardisation, knock off $20K-$25K IMO.

jstanovic · 03-04-2023, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I like the Ecoboost conversion but I don't think it's worth the price tag on that thing, missing four cylinders

It's not original and it's not a coupe, absolute bastardisation, knock off $20K-$25K IMO.

Agree, it's kind of stuck in lala land being a steel bumpered classic but with an unknown/unwanted motor that's only a 4cyl. Shouldn't matter (as it probably still goes like stink) but it does.

Franco Cozzo · 03-04-2023, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jstanovic

Agree, it's kind of stuck in lala land being a steel bumpered classic but with an unknown/unwanted motor that's only a 4cyl. Shouldn't matter (as it probably still goes like stink) but it does.

Yep, I reckon it's a great thinking outside the box example of an interesting conversion. Except it's going to sound like a wet fart down a digeriedoo.

However you don't get to have interesting outside the box conversion AND high resale value

That car is stuck between two worlds

Millennials would appreciate it for what's under the bonnet but they generally don't value steel bumpers.

Boomers value steel bumpers but the nostalgia has been wiped by the bastardisation under the bonnet, even if it was the original six it would be worth more to them, they're not the one continuous eyebrow shututu brigade.

hayseed · 03-04-2023, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I like the Ecoboost conversion but I don't think it's worth the price tag on that thing, missing four cylinders

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I agree with all 3 points...!!
$25-30K is It's value.......In My opinion.

BlueBear · 03-04-2023, 10:38 AM

Personally I disagree, in fact it's a retromod classic I would love to do, having thought about it many times. The XP would not be my personal choice, prefer earlier examples and even better for me would be an early MK 11 Zephyr.
I'm nearly 70 and can only see real benefits of such a conversion.
Steel bumper classic with modern power and economy, drives, stops and handles much better than a V8 conversion, with a very modern 6 speed auto.
As to value, he might be reaching, but doesn't everyone?
And think, FG EcoBoost's wrecks don't grow on trees, it would have cost a lot of $ and time to do and get engineered.
I say, good on him and well done, I hope a few more follow his example.
I reckon it's the way of the future for meeting all emission requirements and having a real classic that performs under the radar (so to speak).