International Olympic Committee considering Transgender athletes to be allowed to compete with other sex

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Just getting back to a few responses to my earlier post.

Originally Posted by b0son

For sport, they're going to need to. Its a situation where we need to weigh up the impact on a tiny minority versus the key stakeholders (who make up the overwhelming majority).

Why do they "need to"? Why is it that the people have to adjust for the sporting governing bodies? Why can't the governing bodies adjust to suit the real world?

I appreciate this may be a challenge and potentially raise other issues, but I fail to see why someone who is born a particular way needs to adjust the way they are simply to fit in to a stereo-typical mould.

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

While I agree with this the problem is we are at the start of a 'me too' generation fueled by social media. We all want to have some sort of label, belong to a group, be identified and associated with new concepts and trendy ideas. It makes us belong.

I can't speak on their behalf, but I doubt that many intersex people would consider the way they were born as a 'label'. Why shouldn't they be recognised for who they are and how they were born? I don't think it's a 'me too' thing, more so 'hey, I don't fit the binary mould that the world perceives things as'.

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Great - till it's a cover for personal gain be it wealth, popularity, sympathy, academic titles, religious control etc.

These 'fakes' ruin it for the the legitimate few that are genuine.
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I'm as open minded as they come - I'm just really worried about this being abused for personal gain. Once it becomes law and people have 'rights' to do this sort of stuff we have past the point of no return.

Agreed, it is the few who will spoil it for others. My concern is that, by your rationale, because there are a very minor minority who will see this as an opportunity for personal gain, then we, as a society, shouldn't allow those genuine folk to be recognised for who they are. That would be a bit like saying we shouldn't have a democratic system because some will manipulate that system to make personal gain. Or that none of us should drive cars because there are those who will break the road rules.

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Yes a very SMALL percentage of the population are born with such problems. But there are a LOT LESS of these people than those who are born either XX or XY but have been brainwashed into believing they can be something they are not.

Did you watch the video? Any of it? I'm going to take a punt and so no. According to that video, approximately 2% of the world population is intersex. Think about that. Out of 50 people that are your friends, family, work acquaintances, etc, one of those people is an intersex person. 50 people. Its not hard to think that you have come across quite a number of intersex people in your life. You just never knew about it most likely. Put yourself in their shoes and think about how you would feel if you happened to be an intersex person. By the way, that's called empathy and something our society needs to show more of, IMFHO. Not sympathy, but true empathy.

And even if it is a small number, why does that preclude our society from recognising who they are? They are not irrelevant.

PS Thanks for not answering my question. Again, I'll ask the question. You state that the world has gone mad because xx=female and xy=male. end of story. I asked where does xxy fit into your definition. Instead of answering that, you simply stated that there are very small numbers of them. So where does someone who has xxy chromosomes fit into your definition? The answer is that it doesn't, because your definition is not factually correct.

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

They Keep sugar-coating those problems, results in more problems.

Who's 'they'?

For the record, I am not intersex. Watching the video I linked to opened my eyes to their situation and allowed me to appreciate how they must feel in a world that wants to put them into one of two boxes, when they fit into neither. Must be bloody hard.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

Did you watch the video? Any of it? I'm going to take a punt and so no.

You are correct as it is produced/promoted by the ABC.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

You are correct as it is produced/promoted by the ABC.



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Best way to get a balanced perspective on a subject is to listen to all sides of the argument. Otherwise you are just as biased as those you choose not to listen to.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

Best way to get a balanced perspective on a subject is to listen to all sides of the argument. Otherwise you are just as biased as those you choose not to listen to.

I will listen to both sides of an argument if both sides present unbiased material. The ABC has a poor track record.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

According to that video, approximately 2% of the world population is intersex. Think about that. Out of 50 people that are your friends, family, work acquaintances, etc, one of those people is an intersex person. 50 people. Its not hard to think that you have come across quite a number of intersex people in your life. You just never knew about it most likely. Put yourself in their shoes and think about how you would feel if you happened to be an intersex person. By the way, that's called empathy and something our society needs to show more of, IMFHO. Not sympathy, but true empathy.

And even if it is a small number, why does that preclude our society from recognising who they are? They are not irrelevant.

While I certainly agree with your post, you are asking others in this thread to display empathy. The overwhelming emotion displayed in the responses is FEAR. Fear of change, fear of the other, fear of the unknown.

It is very difficult for a person to feel empathy when they are paralysed by fear.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

Why do they "need to"? Why is it that the people have to adjust for the sporting governing bodies? Why can't the governing bodies adjust to suit the real world?

Because if sport becomes unfair, it is no longer sport. Fairness is a fundamental principle in all sports. Allowing people to compete with an unfair advantage insults competitors and spectators alike.

I appreciate this may be a challenge and potentially raise other issues, but I fail to see why someone who is born a particular way needs to adjust the way they are simply to fit in to a stereo-typical mould.

They don't need to, they can live as whatever gender they choose. However, being a professional sportsperson is not a human right, so the world does not owe them entry into a competition for which they should not be eligible. They are free to create their own category, much as para athletes have.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by b0son

Because if sport becomes unfair, it is no longer sport. Fairness is a fundamental principle in all sports. Allowing people to compete with an unfair advantage insults competitors and spectators alike.



They don't need to, they can live as whatever gender they choose. However, being a professional sportsperson is not a human right, so the world does not owe them entry into a competition for which they should not be eligible. They are free to create their own category, much as para athletes have.

While we're talking about separate categories of sport, they should make a category where they allow PIED - create a league with drug enhanced roided up humans and let em all battle it out.

Like an entire competition of Lance Armstrong's

[mick taylor]

Back in 1980 I knew of 2 compulsive lyres and the whole town knew this for a fact, as we all knew who they were.
You could not believe a word that they said to be sure even to this day, now they believe there lies as if it was true to be sure and that's a fact.

But then some years ago I seen in woman's mags reading them when waiting and bored in some waiting room, that in them mags they were saying that X was now a woman but was born a man and that they were calling X a woman now ??? I thought what the hell this is madness or stupidity or both, not to mention a flat out moronic lie, no one could be so stupid I thought and the intent of this bastardisation is insane.
I thought and that no one would swallow such dribble but the shallowest ignorant fool or a clown.

Then I seen on TV the same dribble on one of them pathetic dribbling morning shows as well, my wife puts that rubbish on every morning and I have to turn it off as most of the stuff that they are on about just really winds me up, to the point of the TV becoming like a sewer and the brainwashing techniques is really at play full on playing everyone for a fool.

Not to mention that Max regardless is still going to be Max to me, as I am not going to follow some daft trend in such ignorance as that.

A man competing against a woman in sports now that's a real class act on their behalf, oh I can't win against the blokes so I go pick on the Girls, what a hero !

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by mick taylor

oh I can't win against the blokes so I go pick on the Girls, what a hero !

You mean like this bloke HERE??



The 2019 Women's AFL draft is on next month (Oct 22).

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Trickford

You mean like this bloke HERE??



The 2019 Women's AFL draft is on next month (Oct 22).

I like the look on the woman's face in 44