Will the Holden brand survive?

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Holden Nova = Toyota Corolla

Toyota Lexcen....

[OzJavelin]

Toyota Camry = Holden Apollo ....

[marty351]

Nissan pulsar/Holden astra
Suzuki swift/Holden barina

[mike_nofx]

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[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by stefcio007

So Holdens were re-badges back then too? we’ve come full circle :P

Actually the LE/LF Nova & AE90/92 Corolla twins were built by Holden at the Dandenong plant.

Dr Terry

[Sprintey]

Holden HA Viva

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by stefcio007

So Holdens were re-badges back then too? we’ve come full circle :P

Some historical information for you younger members:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ile_Industries

[Big_Daz]

Wasn't their a short (and not at all successful) relationship between ford and Nissan whereby they where rebadging Falcon Utes (around XF I think) as Nissan utes and selling them?

Here it is.. found it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_car_plan

Forgot about the Ford Corsair/Nissan Pintara Ford Mavrick/Nissan Patrol duo's as well..

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Toyota Lexcen....

What about the Toyota Lexcen?

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

What about the Toyota Lexcen?

We were talking about Badge engineering, & the Toyota Lexcen was simply a rebadged Commodore.

The Holden Drover was a rebadged Suzuki Sierra. the Barina was a Suzuki Swift, (Until the GM Daewoo Takeover)

[Ford17]

In among all this, when the Holden Apollo (rebadged Camry) was launched, the then Holden chief designer Phil Zmood was being 'complimented' by industry colleagues with such comments as "Nice grille, Phil", and "Great wheel cover design you did there, Phil".

Previously, Zmood was responsible for entire car designs including the Monaro in the 1970's...

[jgmdat]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Wasn't their a short (and not at all successful) relationship between ford and Nissan whereby they where rebadging Falcon Utes (around XF I think) as Nissan utes and selling them?

Here it is.. found it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_car_plan

Forgot about the Ford Corsair/Nissan Pintara Ford Mavrick/Nissan Patrol duo's as well..

Button was the 80's version of KRUDD

[Ford17]

From Wheels Magazine, 1988:


http://arc.bauer.x-cago.net/WHL/arti...-OF-1988.html?

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Ford17

In among all this, when the Holden Apollo (rebadged Camry) was launched, the then Holden chief designer Phil Zmood was being 'complimented' by industry colleagues with such comments as "Nice grille, Phil", and "Great wheel cover design you did there, Phil".

Previously, Zmood was responsible for entire car designs including the Monaro in the 1970's...

lol that's geniunely funny! I expect there's a bit of ego in Auto styling

[MrZ]

If the Isuzu brand in Australia can exist and do well with just 2 models - the D-Max and MU-X, then Holden should in theory be able to exist with as little as just 2 models, a ute and a SUV. They're not going anywhere. After all, Proton Australia are still around and they literally sell ZERO cars here.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by MrZ

If the Isuzu brand in Australia can exist and do well with just 2 models - the D-Max and MU-X, then Holden should in theory be able to exist with as little as just 2 models, a ute and a SUV. They're not going anywhere. After all, Proton Australia are still around and they literally sell ZERO cars here.

How many dealers do Holden have versus Isuzu?

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

How many dealers do Holden have versus Isuzu?

Probably be about the same by the end of the year.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by MrZ

If the Isuzu brand in Australia can exist and do well with just 2 models - the D-Max and MU-X, then Holden should in theory be able to exist with as little as just 2 models, a ute and a SUV. They're not going anywhere. After all, Proton Australia are still around and they literally sell ZERO cars here.

I had to double check that. I was certain Proton stopped selling cars here years ago. Quite suprising they are still around.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I had to double check that. I was certain Proton stopped selling cars here years ago. Quite suprising they are still around.

The brand still exists in Australia, but they haven't sold any brand-new cars since 2016. From what I understand, the current vehicles don't meet emissions regulations in Australia, but they claim to have new models on the way.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

As long as there are school teachers and academics, there will be French car buyers ... Peugeot, Citroen, Renault have always been their mainstay ... maybe they enjoy walking?

Hmm, strange, I remember the car park at my secondary school in 1998. Most of the teachers had small/old 1980s, 4-cylinder Japanese cars - Corollas, Coronas, etc. I only noticed a handful of cars from the 1990s - a bubble 121. Another teacher had a E36 3-series, which was the nicest car any teacher drove, with the exception of the headmaster who had a VS Statesman, but that was provided to him as part of his salary package. I didn't notice any French or other European cars.

[jpd80]

The forgettable Ford Corsair (Rebadged Pintara), I've never seen so many people
embrace a Ewwro Mondeo after that...

Bring back the Telstar (mazda 6) and Laser (Mazda 3) but then the moment has passed...

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by MrZ

The brand still exists in Australia, but they haven't sold any brand-new cars since 2016. From what I understand, the current vehicles don't meet emissions regulations in Australia, but they claim to have new models on the way.

Plus Proton have a legal obligation to provide support for the cars they sold in Australia.

[bathurst77]

Going....going....


https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news...TGM7IAZly8w1t8

[Vormund]

Hmm well if Inchcape take over they already have Peugeot/Citroen under their wing, and they own Opel/Vauxhall now. Wouldn't be too hard to continue with Commodore/Astra I guess.

Although would it just be worth trying to bring Opel in again? Holden as a brand name is sliding into oblivion.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Vormund

Hmm well if Inchcape take over they already have Peugeot/Citroen under their wing, and they own Opel/Vauxhall now. Wouldn't be too hard to continue with Commodore/Astra I guess.

Although would it just be worth trying to bring Opel in again? Holden as a brand name is sliding into oblivion.

It would probably suit GM's aims to get Holden off the books as an asset but keep it as a customer,
I could see this as being a good move for Holden locally as it may allow the brand to order in
vehicles from other manufacturers and rebadge as versions of its own .

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Going....going....


https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news...TGM7IAZly8w1t8

It’s the start of the end, commodore/insignia will be canned, it’s dead in Europe.

[lra]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I could see this as being a good move for Holden locally as it may allow the brand to order in vehicles from other manufacturers and rebadge as versions of its own .

Written in jest ?? How could that be good ?
A Great Wall ute with 'Holden Rodeo' badges, an Aston Martin as the new 'Monaro', a Genisis G80 as the 'Caprice'. Really.
They should just sell all the existing spares to 'Rare Spares', start a museum with a Federal Govt grant, and wave bye bye to Aus with their middle finger.

[Wretched]

It was inevitable, there are no cars under the Holden name being developed.
It is a pity as there are a number of engineers still working at Holden.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by MrZ

If the Isuzu brand in Australia can exist and do well with just 2 models - the D-Max and MU-X, then Holden should in theory be able to exist with as little as just 2 models, a ute and a SUV. They're not going anywhere. After all, Proton Australia are still around and they literally sell ZERO cars here.

That just doesn't make sense, the light Truck division is huge here and sells very well in our market amongst other divisions distributing around the counrty, DMax/MUX are just other offerings in their range.
They exist very very well.

Back on topic, see ya later Holden won't miss you one bit !

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by FTE217

That just doesn't make sense, the light Truck division is huge here and sells very well in our market amongst other divisions distributing around the counrty, DMax/MUX are just other offerings in their range.
They exist very very well.

I think the Isuzu "UTE" dealerships are separate from Isuzu "Truck" dealerships.

Dr Terry