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Old 22-02-2019, 09:17 PM   #121
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The thing is nobody thought X series GT's would be collectible either. Old mate neighbour had an XB GT sitting on his front lawn with a sign in the windscreen saying "$3,000 or offer" for 2 years back in 1994. He just couldn't sell it.

I certainly didn't want it, why would I .... I had a near new EB Fairmont
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Old 22-02-2019, 09:22 PM   #122
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I know of of an xb GS that is slowly rusting in a bloke's front yard because he won't restore it but claims it is worth a boat load. Its sitting in long grass so the rust must be bad lol
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Old 23-02-2019, 04:28 PM   #123
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Ford have internal standards for stuff like bonnet clearance etc. Being an inch taller than the 5.0 would basically breach that. As it is the TPS on mine basically touched the bonnet lining with the Explorer manifold on it, with a 1/2 inch phenolic spacer. No way would an inch higher 351 pass clearance regs.

It might be fine for average joe fitting one as it would probably just clear by a couple of mm. That wouldn't be enough for Ford though. The bonnet would need to be made higher. And I can imagine making a new bonnet pressing for 250 cars would have been way too high for $ per unit.
So all they needed to do was fit a bonnet bulge? A unique bonnet would have topped off an already great looking package. I think they sold for something like $70k back in '97? That's pretty big bucks. With a 351 fitted, Ford could have just about named their price.

If a bunch of cashed up bogans were prepared to pay $10k on top of an already $75k blueprinted banana GTS-R, then Ford could have sold an EL GT 351 for $90k+. This was supposed to be a hero model after all.
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Old 23-02-2019, 04:43 PM   #124
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So all they needed to do was fit a bonnet bulge? A unique bonnet would have topped off an already great looking package. I think they sold for something like $70k back in '97? That's pretty big bucks. With a 351 fitted, Ford could have just about named their price.

If a bunch of cashed up bogans were prepared to pay $10k on top of an already $75k blueprinted banana GTS-R, then Ford could have sold an EL GT 351 for $90k+. This was supposed to be a hero model after all.
Just imagine an injected 408w in an AU forte backed up to a tr6060 manual

Not sure why no one has done this?? Absolute track animal and second to non reliability.... Really all these LSA's and Fgx xr8 are overrated!!
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Old 23-02-2019, 07:25 PM   #125
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Just imagine an injected 408w in an AU forte backed up to a tr6060 manual

Not sure why no one has done this?? Absolute track animal and second to non reliability.... Really all these LSA's and Fgx xr8 are overrated!!
If Ford had the balls back in the day and fitted 351W to E series, they could have smashed HSV by building proper T-Series vehicles. But even Ford US also lacked balls, only fitting the 351W to the Cobra R in 95 while their regular 302 Fox bodies got smashed by 350-powered Camaros.

I guess were going a bit off topic, but I have always wanted to fit a 408W to an AU. I still hope to one day, a nice Narooma Blue AU3 XR8. My untickled FG XR6T would still probably run rings around it, but hey, it'd sound like a proper car at least and not a vacuum cleaner!
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Old 23-02-2019, 08:57 PM   #126
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If Ford had the balls back in the day and fitted 351W to E series, they could have smashed HSV by building proper T-Series vehicles. But even Ford US also lacked balls, only fitting the 351W to the Cobra R in 95 while their regular 302 Fox bodies got smashed by 350-powered Camaros.

I guess were going a bit off topic, but I have always wanted to fit a 408W to an AU. I still hope to one day, a nice Narooma Blue AU3 XR8. My untickled FG XR6T would still probably run rings around it, but hey, it'd sound like a proper car at least and not a vacuum cleaner!
An Injected 408W if done right with even a small hydraulic cam 230/230 .050" will put out the best part of 600hp.

Your XR6T better be running 14 psi + cause i can tell you now the windsor won't just smash you to the 330ft mark, it will destroy you!!

High 11's should come without even braking a sweat while your turbo will either be baked or fried.
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Old 23-02-2019, 10:58 PM   #127
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An Injected 408W if done right with even a small hydraulic cam 230/230 .050" will put out the best part of 600hp.

Your XR6T better be running 14 psi + cause i can tell you now the windsor won't just smash you to the 330ft mark, it will destroy you!!

High 11's should come without even braking a sweat while your turbo will either be baked or fried.
As I said, my XR6T is untickled, so stock. As I've also mentioned previously, I'd love to slap a stroked 351 in an AU. I've always loved the AUs - had an AU1 XR8 back in the day. What a ripping car. I want another one, series 3! One day....

As for the stroked Windsor, yeah my Turbo runs 12.9 stock, which is great for a stocker. $3k of tickling sees it run 11s... but stilll sound like a vacuum cleaner! Don't worry man, I'm with you, nothing sounds or feels better under the hoof than a big cube N/A V8.
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Old 24-02-2019, 12:13 AM   #128
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And now...............................back on topic please.

An EL GT - To be or not to be a big $ collectible?
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Old 25-02-2019, 01:12 PM   #129
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An Injected 408W if done right with even a small hydraulic cam 230/230 .050" will put out the best part of 600hp.

Your XR6T better be running 14 psi + cause i can tell you now the windsor won't just smash you to the 330ft mark, it will destroy you!!

High 11's should come without even braking a sweat while your turbo will either be baked or fried.
A turbo would run high 11's with 2k of mods. And at your turbo will be baked or fried. That's just silly.

I love Windsors and will be building a 418 for my NL one day to replace the HCI 5.0. But in terms of performance the Barra in my G6ET will smoke it any day of the week with a few mods. And it won't even break a sweat doing it.

Only thing the Windsor has going for it is the exhaust note. Now a turbo on a raised deck Windsor. Now that's something.
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Old 25-02-2019, 08:22 PM   #131
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Will a el gt be a big $$ collectable? Tbh I don't think so, I don't think many of the modern day gt's will be big $$$ cars, they will just retain their value a little better, 5.0 miami's I think are a good example of that, going between mid 30's for a high k model to mid 50's for lower k's
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And now...............................back on topic please.

An EL GT - To be or not to be a big $ collectible?
Possibly but purely on numbers built = money to be made,not many would buy one for its looks or road presence etc,no matter how good or bad it was/is to drive no matter the hp/kw etc of all the GT Falcons built from start to finish the only time i remember the EL is when i find said thread or similar,not being nasty and no agenda just saying it as i see it.Saw my first one when working for Avery Ford in Wellington all those years ago and thought
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