Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[Syndrome]

Otherwise known as "Crazy Eyes"

[marty351]

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[Raptor]

OK, this is the Bar but do we have to bring this 'merican political crap (propaganda) to AFF.

Go AOC I say, she can't be worse than Trump

Who's quote is it anyway?










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[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Go AOC I say, she can't be worse than Trump

I suggest you read the 'Green New Deal' she has just released.

[pauljh74]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Go AOC I say, she can't be worse than Trump

She's advocating for a 70% marginal tax rate for the wealthy. Great, some might say, except it simply drives away the people most capable of changing their tax residency. A recent example of this policy failing is France. Tax revenue dropped and capital investment plummeted as the wealthiest moved out of France. Gerard Depardieu being one of the most public examples - the Russians welcomed him and his money. Some 2.5 million French citizens moved to countries such as Belgium and the UK and other countries with more competitive tax rates. They French government saw the light and realised 45% of something is better than 75% of nothing.

She went to university and majored in international relations and economics - yet promotes policies that a high school student can easily debunk. She's big on ideas - mostly bad ones and you can see the hamster running around in her head have a coronary when she's asked things like how her policies will be funded and then she dodges the questions with nonsensical responses that do not address the question. Many politicians do this, but she takes it to another level.

There was her statement that the unemployment rate was lower because people have 2 jobs. That would have the opposite effect

Originally Posted by Syndrome

I suggest you read the 'Green New Deal' she has just released.

To give you all context - imagine the Greens in Australia running our country - that's the level of left wing lunacy we're talking about.

Originally Posted by Big Trev

I think I will disagree with that, all Howard did with the benefits of Hawke/Keatings legacy was blow it - setting us up now to deal with middle class welfare, you know paying the child care bill of people who are both working but need child care, of course there was that other gem, 'the baby bonus' FFS!!!!

Yes, Howard engaged in pork barrelling for votes - but at least we had budget surpluses and reduced government debt to support it. When times were tougher Rudd and successive governments should have cut back on the middle class welfare, but instead doubled down on it and our government debt has grown almost tenfold since the end of the Howard government. Rudd was handed low debt and a budget surplus and low debt and screwed it up - even after taking into account the GFC. More than a decade of budget deficits isn't what I'd call good management. Both parties of more recent times have failed in that regard

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by pauljh74

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To give you all context - imagine the Greens in Australia running our country -
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Yes thanks, that would be a good start IMHO.

The Howard's years

The only thing I'll give him credit for is gun control. Just about everything else he did is a major problem that has to be dealt with now. Certain sectors certainly benefited greatly but at the expense of others and society overall.

Howard got an easy ride and credit for all the good reform done by Hawke/Keating and wasted the opportunities that presented him with. Rather than invest in the country he ran surpluses which he later used to buy more time in office. Despicable.





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[zipping]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Howard got an easy ride and credit for all the good reform done by Hawke/Keating and wasted the opportunities that presented him with.

I love lefties, first one to claim credit "oh it was Hawke/keating who did it".

What did they do?

"Introduced reforms to the economy, they deserve all the credit".

What reforms did they introduce?

"They freed up the Australian economy, they are hero's".

Economic reform included the floating of the Australian dollar, deregulation of the financial system, dismantling of the tariff system, privatised state sector industries, ended subsidisation of loss-making industries, and the sale of the state-owned Commonwealth Bank of Australia, Optus, Qantas and CSL Limited. A fringe benefits tax and a capital gains tax were implemente

What do you think of neo-liberalism?

"We hate that Thatcher the biotch and Reagan is a seee you next tuesday"

The fact is the Hawke /Keating government is a million miles from AOC or the Greens these days.

[zipping]

While I'm on my soap box Keating was useless as PM.

Keating promised two rounds of income tax cuts, legislating them and describing them as "L-A-W law" and never did them, it actually might of helped him but the greatest Treasurer the world had seen decided, the tax cut law should be repealed following the election, with the government instead announcing the money would be put into superannuation.

Just lucky that he found an even bigger idiot in John Hewson to this day proving what a dumbarse he is every time he opens his mouth.


The economy crashed he ran up debt like nobodies business and the only economic reform he introduced was compulsory "Super" has been an abject failure with workers forgoing forcibly 9% of their wages week in week out
and now 12%.



The only winners from such a policy would be the superannuation industry and Unions, which would get to ‘clip the ticket’ on more funds under management and earn fatter profits.

Hawke was a decent politician, Keating rode on the back of neo-liberalism and when he had his shot failed miserably.

Asked by a journalist on 10 July if the unemployment rate of 10.8% meant he had to admit his economic policies had failed, he responded: “Do you mean the ones that have taken Australia from an industrial museum to give it a future, or do you mean the cyclical ones?”

AOC like Keating is someone whose knowledge is a mile wide but an inch deep.

[simon varley]

she's certainly got the old guard scared

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by simon varley

she's certainly got the old guard scared

Yeah, all on the left - they're dropping like flies.

She won a district by 18 thousand votes off another Democrat who was about as useful as a ride-on lawnmower on the International Space Station.

And she's 29 so can't run for the Presidency for another 6 years.

[zipping]

“It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.”
-Thomas Sowell.

People can knock Trump imo its a free world butas Bill Clinton said "its the economy stupid"

You can't deny his success with the economy.

Where Australia is loosing manufacturing jobs, Trump has turned the tide and addedd them, something even people on the right were skeptical he could do.

Even Ford is joining the party.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/07/ford...factories.html

AOC "Where we’re going, we won’t need steel."

National mobilization our economy through 14 infrastructure and
industrial projects. Every project strives to remove greenhouse gas
emissions and pollution from every sector of our economy:
o Build infrastructure to create resiliency against climate change-related
disasters
o Repair and upgrade U.S. infrastructure. ASCE estimates this is $4.6
trillion at minimum.
o Meet 100% of power demand through clean and renewable energy
sources
o Build energy-efficient, distributed smart grids and ensure affordable
access to electricity
o Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy
efficiency
o Massively expand clean manufacturing (like solar panel factories, wind
turbine factories, battery and storage manufacturing, energy efficient
manufacturing components) and remove pollution and greenhouse gas
emissions from manufacturing
o Work with farmers and ranchers to create a sustainable, pollution and
greenhouse gas free, food system that ensures universal access to
healthy food and expands independent family farming
o Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle
manufacturing, build charging stations everywhere, build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary, create
affordable public transit available to all, with goal to replace every
combustion-engine vehicle
o Mitigate long-term health effects of climate change and pollution
o Remove greenhouse gases from our atmosphere and pollution through
afforestation, preservation, and other methods of restoring our natural
ecosystems
o Restore all our damaged and threatened ecosystems
o Clean up all the existing hazardous waste sites and abandoned sites
o Identify new emission sources and create solutions to eliminate those
emissions
o Make the US the leader in addressing climate change and share our
technology, expertise and products with the rest of the world to bring
about a global Green New Deal
…
A little more.

Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing:
 A job with a family-sustaining wage, family and medical
leave, vacations, and retirement security
 High-quality education, including higher education and
trade schools
 Clean air and water and access to nature
 Healthy food
 High-quality health care
 Safe, affordable, adequate housing
 Economic environment free of monopolies
 Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to
work

Comrades

[Adamz Ghia]

The economy is like a big ship, it takes a while to turn around. Trump can’t claim credit yet, the economies performance now is due to Obama. Just like John Howard can’t really claim all the credit for how well we did during his priministership, it was due to Hawke and Keating.

Howard was able to manage it well and can claim credit for the continued success we enjoyed, and if in 8 years the US is still improving then Trump will be able to do the same.

I’m not a Trump hater, I personally like him, if not agree with all of his policies.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Howard was able to manage it well and can claim credit for the continued success we enjoyed, and if in 8 years

I think I will disagree with that, all Howard did with the benefits of Hawke/Keatings legacy was blow it - setting us up now to deal with middle class welfare, you know paying the child care bill of people who are both working but need child care, of course there was that other gem, 'the baby bonus' FFS!!!!

[zipping]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

The economy is like a big ship, it takes a while to turn around. Trump can’t claim credit yet, the economies performance now is due to Obama. Just like John Howard can’t really claim all the credit for how well we did during his priministership, it was due to Hawke and Keating.

Trying not to be partisan here but any fair assessment of the last 2 years show that the US economy has gone to another level under Trump.

Every economist and even Obama himself derided candidate Trump as a charlatan, yet here we are with every major economic indicator very strong.

Then there's the Federal Reserve, which cut rates and flooded the financial system with cash during the Obama years. Now it is reversing course and tightening, or raising rates.

Trump has preached fiscal discipline, he has not practiced it. Might bite him.

99% of the jobs created in the Trump era have been in the private sector with only 1% in the public. Another big positive is that investment is pouring into the USA, investment in 2018 was 6 times what it was in 2017. That is definitely trump.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth UK
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth USA
https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/gdp-growth Aus
https://tradingeconomics.com/europea...al-growth-rate Euro

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by zipping

AOC "Where we’re going, we won’t need steel."

National mobilization our economy through 14 infrastructure and
industrial projects. Every project strives to remove greenhouse gas
emissions and pollution from every sector of our economy:
o Build infrastructure to create resiliency against climate change-related
disasters
o Repair and upgrade U.S. infrastructure. ASCE estimates this is $4.6
trillion at minimum.
o Meet 100% of power demand through clean and renewable energy
sources
o Build energy-efficient, distributed smart grids and ensure affordable
access to electricity
o Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy
efficiency
o Massively expand clean manufacturing (like solar panel factories, wind
turbine factories, battery and storage manufacturing, energy efficient
manufacturing components) and remove pollution and greenhouse gas
emissions from manufacturing
o Work with farmers and ranchers to create a sustainable, pollution and
greenhouse gas free, food system that ensures universal access to
healthy food and expands independent family farming
o Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle
manufacturing, build charging stations everywhere, build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary, create
affordable public transit available to all, with goal to replace every
combustion-engine vehicle
o Mitigate long-term health effects of climate change and pollution
o Remove greenhouse gases from our atmosphere and pollution through
afforestation, preservation, and other methods of restoring our natural
ecosystems
o Restore all our damaged and threatened ecosystems
o Clean up all the existing hazardous waste sites and abandoned sites
o Identify new emission sources and create solutions to eliminate those
emissions
o Make the US the leader in addressing climate change and share our
technology, expertise and products with the rest of the world to bring
about a global Green New Deal
…
A little more.

Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing:
 A job with a family-sustaining wage, family and medical
leave, vacations, and retirement security
 High-quality education, including higher education and
trade schools
 Clean air and water and access to nature
 Healthy food
 High-quality health care
 Safe, affordable, adequate housing
 Economic environment free of monopolies
 Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to
work

It would be good to see these fourteen projects come into fruition.

[zipping]

Originally Posted by mcflux

It would be good to see these fourteen projects come into fruition.

If that were true there is nothing stopping you getting off the grid and living in a commune for example that is self-sufficient.

But you won't do that.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/43282...-emily-zanotti

Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez and her advisers began running a full-scale operation to distract and deflect from criticism of the Green New Deal, suggesting first that conservatives had circulated a handful of "doctored" versions of her FAQ, and then, when that line of attack failed, that the posted FAQ, which suggested, among other things, a universal income even for those "unwilling" to work, was an irrelevant "early draft."

But instead of laying the blame where it belonged — squarely at the feet of Ocasio-Cortez and her advisers, who clearly botched their own Green New Deal rollout — the media immediately blamed conservatives for "pouncing" on Ocasio-Cortez's plan.

Business Insider provided the most egregious example, accusing conservatives of unfairly "attacking" Ocasio-Cortez for "accidentally" leaking a document posted to her website and delivered directly to several members of the news media.

Business Insider was ultimately forced to rewrite the headline and issue a new tweet after right-leaning reporters pointed out that the leak appeared to be far from "accidental." Ocasio-Cortez's team posted the FAQ to the congresswoman's official website, and members of her press team sent a pitch containing the FAQ to a number of high-profile media outlets, including National Public Radio, which posted the document in full on its website as soon as the congresswoman's embargo on the material lifted.

Even The Washington Post, which could not deny that the FAQ appeared in multiple outlets on Thursday and Friday, tried to sow skepticism about the document's validity, calling the sheet a "mystery."

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by simon varley

she's certainly got the old guard scared

You mean the Democrats and the RINO's, not the MAGA crowd.

The Dems are doing a great job of destroying themselves, Trump is a shoe in for the 2020 elections. No one will vote for a party that's;

• Racist - think Northam et al
• Supports illegal immigrants - Occasional Cortex, Pelosi and lyin' cryin' Chuck Schumer
• Wants to abolish ICE - Occasional Cortex
• Supports post delivery abortion aka infanticide - NY Governor and the Clinton crowd
• Believes in socialism - Occasional Cortex
• Wants to scrap their private health care in favour of government mandated public health care - Horizontal Harris

There's not much the GOP have to do to win the election. The Mueller probe as all but wrapped up vindicating Trump of alleged Russia Collusion. FISA can then be released and we'll see how the involvement of the UK, and more so, the Australian government played an intricate role in the meddling of the 2016 US election with an endeavour to sabotage Trumps run at presidency. Interesting times ahead.

[MITCHAY]

Well if anything the last few years has done for me is to shine a light on what an absolute basket case American politics is. I know we have had a lot of **** going on but that is next level.

I remember watching the mid terms and thinking to myself how the richest country on earth can't even organise an election. Can't get a root in a brothel or have a ****up in a pub comes to mind.

As for AOC, well she has a long ways to go to catch up to Trump and the dumb **** he has said.

Unfortunately we are starting to see the extreme partisan politics which was not really as obvious until the last few years but the middle has the ground here or at least I hope it still does.

[wodahs]

come on !!!!
going to the sun is old school

[Trevor 57]

I'll tell you what is pressure, having to save one third of the price of a house (1/3) and have it sitting in the bank for 12 months before the bank would even talk to you about a home loan, 1/3, how would people go with that, well that's what we had to do to buy our first home (albeit it was a regional home) but the banks rules were the same everywhere. So based on your 'today' price of 833,321 that is $274,996, how would they do, that is what we had to do on a very basic wage, but we did it because we went without, not even enough money to drive to a town 40k's away. Then add to that interest rates of 17%. Don't tell me people of today do it tough, there are some that might, but the ones I see do OK with the new cars, big houses, holiday's to Bali etc

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

I'll tell you what is pressure, having to save one third of the price of a house (1/3) and have it sitting in the bank for 12 months before the bank would even talk to you about a home loan, 1/3, how would people go with that, well that's what we had to do to buy our first home (albeit it was a regional home) but the banks rules were the same everywhere. So based on your 'today' price of 833,321 that is $274,996, how would they do, that is what we had to do on a very basic wage, but we did it because we went without, not even enough money to drive to a town 40k's away. Then add to that interest rates of 17%. Don't tell me people of today do it tough, there are some that might, but the ones I see do OK with the new cars, big houses, holiday's to Bali etc

Mate, I have no doubt you struggled back then, I’m not arguing that. But the math doesn’t lie, it’s as simple as that. Back then there was also near 10% unemployment rate, I suppose you want to go back to that as well? Because when you cut middle class welfare you cut middle class spending power, and when people don’t spend the first things that companies get rid of is employees.

Anyway, politics in America is screwed, the left have not learned a thing from Trumps victory in 2016 and are gifting him 2020. I hope he wins ‘big league’ as he likes to say.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Anyway, politics in America is screwed

It was screwed for many years before he ran for the Presidency, he just exposed it. Hence why they eat each alive and have no real front-runner yet.

Just be grateful we're so far away, otherwise we'd be ''screwed''

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

It was screwed for many years before he ran for the Presidency, he just exposed it. Hence why they eat each alive and have no real front-runner yet.

Just be grateful we're so far away, otherwise we'd be ''screwed''

We’re no different in my opinion. Our politicians care about nothing except keeping their jobs, rather than what’s best for the country. And a part of that is due to voter stupidity.

The best way to fix our political system is to vote differently at every election. You don’t have to like them, just vote differently. There should be no such thing as a safe seat.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

The best way to fix our political system is to vote differently at every election. You don’t have to like them, just vote differently. There should be no such thing as a safe seat.

That is because most voters are sheep. I was one of those rusted on voters until my mid 30s. Since then I vote based on who is the best candidate. But it is a moot point as my state and federal seats have always been won by a Labor candidate.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Because when you cut middle class welfare you cut middle class spending power, and when people don’t spend the first things that companies get rid of is employees.

there should be NO middle class welfare.

Middle class welfare was introduced by Howard/Costello as a huge vote buying exercise and it worked (for a while), now all generations have to wear the burden of having to pay taxes to support 2 income families spending habits, tell me how that is fair?

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

there should be NO middle class welfare.

Middle class welfare was introduced by Howard/Costello as a huge vote buying exercise and it worked (for a while), now all generations have to wear the burden of having to pay taxes to support 2 income families spending habits, tell me how that is fair?

Middle class welfare was around before Howard and Costello. On your logic, it’s not fair that I have to pay tax to support aged pensions when some of them live in million dollar houses. And why should I pay for negative gearing (a cost to the budget of $4.5 billion per year)? That benefits baby boomers and Gen Y a whole lot more than Gen Z and Millenials. It’s fair because all that keeps our economy ticking along. Take any of it away and it’s craps the bed.

China can get rid of their middle class welfare too. AThe US as well. Then Australia will be really better off when their economy collapses.

Like I said, you can take it away, have fun waiting in line at Centrelink.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

On your logic, it’s not fair that I have to pay tax to support aged pensions when some of them live in million dollar houses.

We should be supporting those who can't help themselves - really simple philosophy

Maybe as I am closer to that retirement age than you, but fortunately the family home is exempt from the assets investigation when you apply for the age pension HOWEVER, your furniture, your car, maybe a caravan, all other assets EXCEPT the physical house. You must also remember that most 'old' people bought or built their homes LONG before there was a housing boom, so why should they be punished because housing prices went through the roof - you thinking is flawed

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

And why should I pay for negative gearing (a cost to the budget of $4.5 billion per year)? That benefits baby boomers and Gen Y a whole lot more than Gen Z and Millenials. It’s fair because all that keeps our economy ticking along. Take any of it away and it’s craps the bed.

I am a fan of getting rid of negative gearing for existing houses, however they should keep it in place for new homes. Do you actually understand how it works? You can 'negative gear' shares as well, did you know that?

Building is a huge boost for the economy the flow-on effect is huge, swapping existing houses between investors does nothing for the economy but a lot for the investors

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

China can get rid of their middle class welfare too. AThe US as well. Then Australia will be really better off when their economy collapses.

Like I said, you can take it away, have fun waiting in line at Centrelink.

what is the point of that argument, it is pointless

[zipping]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

there should be NO middle class welfare.

Middle class welfare was introduced by Howard/Costello as a huge vote buying exercise and it worked (for a while), now all generations have to wear the burden of having to pay taxes to support 2 income families spending habits, tell me how that is fair?

In response to the recession in the early 1990s, the Keating government further increased the generosity of family payments, and expanded access to families in the middle class.

Question for you Trev, when Whitlan introduced free university for all was that middle class welfare?

Medicare for all and free schooling accessed by the middle class is a form of middle class welfare programs well before Howard.

I'm against the baby bonus but it worked....surprisingly.....more tax payers will pay back that particular scheme.

https://mccrindle.com.au/insights/bl...us-generation/

[zipping]

“This stuff is really sad,” she wrote. “The GOP is so intellectually bankrupt that they no longer engage to debate issues in good faith, but instead seek to lie, distort, name-call, target, & destroy people/communities w any means possible.” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-Looney-TunesNY)


Shapiro offered $10,000 to a charity of Ocasio-Cortez’s choice or to her campaign if she took him up on his offer. He said the congressional candidate had accused Republicans of being afraid to debate, and here he was ready to debate.

But reply she did on Thursday, and in the process advanced a jarring simile: Shapiro’s very polite debate challenge, she said, was akin to catcalling.

“Just like catcalling, I don’t owe a response to unsolicited requests from men with bad intentions,” she tweeted.

That prompted a new round of conservative outrage, accusing Ocasio-Cortez of playing the gender card.

“Crying sexism in order to avoid a debate of ideas is not a feminism I want any part of,” said Erielle Davidson, a contributor to The Federalist and TownHall.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by zipping

In response to the recession in the early 1990s, the Keating government further increased the generosity of family payments, and expanded access to families in the middle class.

child endowment has been around for ever, all people who had kids were entitled to it - nothing new here, other than a new name

Originally Posted by zipping

Question for you Trev, when Whitlan introduced free university for all was that middle class welfare?

obviously no, because it allowed ALL classes access - typical old school Labor thinking

Originally Posted by zipping

Medicare for all and free schooling accessed by the middle class is a form of middle class welfare programs well before Howard.

no, because ALL Australians had access to Medicare - do you really understand this argument, because it looks to me like you don't. I was at voting age when Whitlam was PM

Originally Posted by zipping

I'm against the baby bonus but it worked....surprisingly.....more tax payers will pay back that particular scheme.

https://mccrindle.com.au/insights/bl...us-generation/

it was stupid, but the Abbott Government did the same thing, but was called something different