Vfacts September 2019

BENT_8 · 03-10-2019, 01:10 PM

Sales continue to slide, Mitsubishi up to 2nd, Kia jumps Ford again, Holden fall from top 10.

https://www.motoring.com.au/vfacts-s...liding-120896/

Vesper Martini · 03-10-2019, 01:53 PM

Holden in 12th spot with 2863 sales, less than MB and only just ahead of BMW

Triton has sold well, is that the new model release? Ive seen a few on the road they look much better than previous models

Rob 351 · 03-10-2019, 01:54 PM

https://www.caradvice.com.au/797477/...eptember-2019/

Both Ranger and Triton outsold Hilux in the 4x4 sector..and good numbers continue for Mustang also..
I never thought I would see the day when Mercedes Benz outsold Holden in Australia. Certainly tough times for the General locally atm, where as in the States, they are going gang busters..

BENT_8 · 03-10-2019, 05:10 PM

Wow, some people hang **** on my little Kia Picanto but profit margin aside, it sells more than Ecosport, Endure, Escape, Focus and Mondeo combined and for the 3rd time In 12 months Kia outsells Ford without a Ute on offerinfact 2 of the top 5 dont offer a Ute, it'll get interesting in 18mths time when they bring one to their range.

smoo · 03-10-2019, 07:58 PM

Christ theres some absolute crap on that top ten list. Mitsubishi ASX and Nissan X trail?
Both companies must still be offering seriously low finance rates to move such archaic poorly built under performing POS in those numbers.

Are there any plans to bring the new Explorer to RHD markets? I think Ford would be killing it if they could offer this as a Territory replacement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7wCnbLFQXw

arronm · 03-10-2019, 08:14 PM

As I said. No accounting for taste.

jpd80 · 03-10-2019, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Wow, some people hang **** on my little Kia Picanto but profit margin aside, it sells more than Ecosport, Endure, Escape, Focus and Mondeo combined and for the 3rd time In 12 months Kia outsells Ford without a Ute on offerinfact 2 of the top 5 dont offer a Ute, it'll get interesting in 18mths time when they bring one to their range.

This is indeed a segment where starting price plays a big part in the amount of sales..
Picanto........from $15,790.

Just imagine what sales Ford could get if it sold all its cars and SUVs at Picanto prices...
I doubt that any of them costs more than $4,000 extra to build....

Ecosport.......from $26,236
Focus...........from $29,543
Mondeo........from $36,948
Escape.........from $43,622
Endura.........from $49,102

I think Kia's new Pick up will cause the cheaper Thai utes a lot of grief
but Ranger and Hilux not so much....

au2000 · 03-10-2019, 08:37 PM

Jesus.... Triton has come outta the box strong with what 115 less sales than Ranger? wonder if its a new trend for Mitsubishi, there are only 2 new Rangers in the work carpark here but 4 of the new triton.

au2000 · 03-10-2019, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

This is indeed a segment where starting price plays a big part in the amount of sales..
Picanto........from $15,790.

Just imagine what sales Ford could get of it sold all its cars and SUVs at Picanto prices...

Ecosport.......from $26,236
Focus...........from $29,543
Mondeo........from $36,948
Escape.........from $43,622
Endura.........from $49,102

I think Kia's new Pick up will cause the cheaper Thai utes a lot of grief
but Ranger and Hilux not so much....

EcoSport at 26 Grand??? jesus..

jpd80 · 03-10-2019, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by au2000

EcoSport at 26 Grand??? jesus..

and that's the context we need to appreciate when comparing a volume seller
to Ford's low selling range of vehicles.

This is the reality for mostly young shoppers looking for their first car
and not wanting to get stitched up with high payments, most are financed
and you could see how repayments would be nearly double even before we
look at whole cost of ownership.

In no way am I trying to defend Ford's pricing, it's just something in their corporate
blood now that they won't sell lots of cheap base models just to make sales look good.

Personally, I think the sweet spot for them is somewhere in the middle.
At the moment I think all of Ford's starting prices are about $6K too high...
They're trying to factor in Euro like prices here and it's not working.

BENT_8 · 03-10-2019, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpd80

This is indeed a segment where starting price plays a big part in the amount of sales..
Picanto........from $15,790.

Just imagine what sales Ford could get if it sold all its cars and SUVs at Picanto prices...
I doubt that any of them costs more than $4,000 extra to build....

Ecosport.......from $26,236
Focus...........from $29,543
Mondeo........from $36,948
Escape.........from $43,622
Endura.........from $49,102

I think Kia's new Pick up will cause the cheaper Thai utes a lot of grief
but Ranger and Hilux not so much....

No doubt RE. price but I think you'll find the vast majority of sales would be the GT or GT Line for $18k as you get a whole lot more car for the money, I see quite a lot more than the base spec. I saw 3 in lass than 2 minutes today and that didn't include mine.
I agree the Kia Ute won't hurt Ranger or Hilux, but it will help the brand either climb the ladder or consolidate a top 5 spot at least, something very few if any would have put money on 10yrs ago.

Yellow_Festiva · 03-10-2019, 09:43 PM

Mitsubishi are very clever.

I bet they make a mint because they hold onto their underpinnings for much longer than other brands.

The ASX, Outlander and Lancer I believe are based on the same reliable platform.

Drag out the model with several face lifts and upgrades in screw in tech and you have a very cheap yet reliable 'new car'.

Triton was / is offered with a promotional 7yr warranty, and from what I have read that will be standardised across the board with Mitsubishi by the end of the year.

Someone on her debated with me that it's not about sales but profit. I don't like the fact that Ford don't seem to have 'cheep and cheerful' base models that can compete with the Koreans and Japanese.

What would the VFacts for Ford look like without the Ranger?

Volume is what keeps dealerships, service departments and spare parts departments going, not selling less cars with higher returns.

Kia / Hyundai / Mitsubishi seem to have a broader appeal.

I'm not surprised that Mitsubishi have 3 in the top 10.

If / when the Koreans bring in a full sized serious 4x4 and a Ute they will own the market.

**Giant Cranium** · 03-10-2019, 09:48 PM

im sure the service department at ford wished they sold a few more cars at a cheaper price to gain more customers

Windsor220 · 03-10-2019, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by smoo

Christ theres some absolute crap on that top ten list. Mitsubishi ASX and Nissan X trail?
Both companies must still be offering seriously low finance rates to move such archaic poorly built under performing POS in those numbers.

Are there any plans to bring the new Explorer to RHD markets? I think Ford would be killing it if they could offer this as a Territory replacement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7wCnbLFQXw

The ASX may be getting on but its not poorly built. Very reliable actually. Its a cheap no fuss car. Thats its appeal.

arronm · 03-10-2019, 10:58 PM

Does anyone think we will ever see a falcon or commodore style ute in the market again. I mean a ute that drives like a sedan

Market seems to be flooded with trucks like Ranger and Hilux

Windsor220 · 03-10-2019, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Does anyone think we will ever see a falcon or commodore style ute in the market again. I mean a ute that drives like a sedan

Market seems to be flooded with trucks like Ranger and Hilux

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/ford-focus-ute

**Captain Stubing** · 03-10-2019, 11:19 PM

Hyundai is throwing it's hat into the ring, they asked what people wanted a while ago for a utility vehicle, and they will no doubt thrown in 7 year warranty.

It's almost old news now, and probably already posted.

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...w-about-koreas

roKWiz · 04-10-2019, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Market seems to be flooded with trucks like Ranger and Hilux

Trucks ?? That's funny.

arronm · 04-10-2019, 01:36 PM

Yep. Drive one. They arnt like a normal car.

roKWiz · 04-10-2019, 01:59 PM

I agree, they're not a proper truck and they ain't no car either.

Syndrome · 04-10-2019, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Holden in 12th spot with 2863 sales, less than MB and only just ahead of BMW

Triton has sold well, is that the new model release? Ive seen a few on the road they look much better than previous models

Nasty. Only last decade Holden was running three shifts at the Adelaide plant and targeting 160,000 vehicles per year (but best year they achieved was in the 130,000 range).

BENT_8 · 04-10-2019, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

Nasty. Only last decade Holden was running three shifts at the Adelaide plant and targeting 160,000 vehicles per year (but best year they achieved was in the 130,000 range).

I think from memory during VT production was when they hit peak output with the 3 shifts churning out 300k units in the 3 years from Aug 97 to Aug00 and 99 was the best year, so it's 20 years ago, although to be fair it doesn't seem that long, time flies.

**Raptor** · 04-10-2019, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

The ASX may be getting on but its not poorly built. Very reliable actually. Its a cheap no fuss car. Thats its appeal.

That's what Ford's used to be too when they sold in decent numbers

Now they are priced like prestige cars, without a prestigous badge

jpd80 · 04-10-2019, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

I agree, they're not a proper truck and they ain't no car either.

They’re a light commercial but they do come with light truck tyres
so definitely more than traditional 2WD petrol utes.
They are what they are because people exploit tax law.

BENT_8 · 04-10-2019, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptor

That's what Ford's used to be too when they sold in decent numbers

Now they are priced like prestige cars, without a prestigous badge

This.

I laugh when I see people defend their dwindling sales figures by spruiking the profit in each vehicle as though paying overs to a company who is viewed as below par where customer satisfaction is concerned should be applauded.

If total sales weren't relevant then the numerous motoring journo's wouldn't be rushing to bring the monthly results to print on the same day the results are released.
Back when Ford and Holden topped the charts it was plenty important.

I'd like to see the equivalent of Vfacts for monthly profit results...chances are Toyota would top that too.

Sprintey · 04-10-2019, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

I agree, they're not a proper truck and they ain't no car either.

They are cucks.

Sprintey · 04-10-2019, 08:52 PM

The sinking of Mazda 3 continues, out of top 10 with 1700 sales. CX30 looking like wise product development

Also there is nothing in top 10 I would want to buy

Sprintey · 04-10-2019, 09:00 PM

Tesla Model 3 about 1200 according to comments on link
2400 shipped in, volume from after Sept

Here it comes...

Windsor220 · 04-10-2019, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptor

That's what Ford's used to be too when they sold in decent numbers

Now they are priced like prestige cars, without a prestigous badge

I do agree but Ford would have more development in their vehicles. Mitsubishis are quite simple cars.

You could say the same about Toyota in the price department. People keep buying them though.

jpd80 · 05-10-2019, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BENT_8

This.

I laugh when I see people defend their dwindling sales figures by spruiking the profit in each vehicle as though paying overs to a company who is viewed as below par where customer satisfaction is concerned should be applauded.

If total sales weren't relevant then the numerous motoring journo's wouldn't be rushing to bring the monthly results to print on the same day the results are released.
Back when Ford and Holden topped the charts it was plenty important.

I'd like to see the equivalent of Vfacts for monthly profit results...chances are Toyota would top that too.

They would because Toyota is now in the position that Holden once was when it used to care about how many sales it made

GM and Ford really don’t give a crap about our tiny RHD market. They only want buyers who are prepared to pay say, $8K more for an Ecosport than a Picanto Sport,,,, nothing underscores the disconnect from our market more than that, it’s bloody insane.

And good luck inferring defends of Ford from that, I’ve already said that I believe that all their starting prices are about six grand too high but that’s the way their corporate johnnys want to play in our market, they refuse to compete on price.
I’m hoping that a severe lack of sales will force a change of policy with Ford that while Ranger can sell with premium prices, there’s no point in pricing regular vehicles like they’re BMWs