V facts June 2023 - Page 2

jpd80 · 06-07-2023, 07:44 AM

Below is not aimed at you Franco Cozzo and if it comes off that way,
I unreservedly apologise in advance, that was not my intention.

The days of buyers walking into a dealership and expecting this or that option
right now or I go down the road are well and truly in the rear vision mirror.

Right or wrong, the issues caused by covid disruption of supply has taught manufacturers
across many industry sectors to leave end users “hungry” by not over supplying products
and paying excessive warehouse charges.

It’s bad enough that you can’t get a vehicle as quickly as 2019 but consider
people who can’t get a guaranteed supply of medicine, or folks who can’t get
a house build because of shortages or long lead times. Problems area are not
Restricted to vehicles, everyone is taking a dump on end user/buyers and it stinks
that we are all taking it in the butt.

hackney · 06-07-2023, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

MG 4th? WTF!

Would not be surprised if they are made up by massive fleet sales(Car Rental companies etc…).You see an awful lot of them around as rentals.

b0son · 06-07-2023, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Right or wrong, the issues caused by covid disruption of supply has taught manufacturers
across many industry sectors to leave end users “hungry” by not over supplying products
and paying excessive warehouse charges.

Warehouse charges are the least of their worries. They have giant factories that have a lot of fixed overheads, that need to be producing in order to cover those costs. Right now, there is a degree of withholding stock to maintain premium pricing, and a lot of consumers itching to spend regardless of prices asked. That wont last forever. Rates rising and businesses slowing down, means the buyer becomes limited by access to credit and the cost of that credit, rather than the dealer's access to stock.

simon varley · 06-07-2023, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

When the day finally comes and all vehicles are fully autonomous what will "carriage" manufacturers do to differentiate themselves....why would you pay triple for a BMW carriage over an MG carriage when all you have to do is sit back and remember to get out when you reach your destination....

same as they do now. it's already not really about the powerpack and the driving dynamics. its all about interior features, touchscreen controls, comfort and apps.

Smoke Pursuit · 06-07-2023, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

My sister has been waiting for a Volvo XC60 B6 since March. Car was built on the water when she committed. It's been sitting on a boat waiting to be quarantined for two months now. The blanket statement about Volvo's being readily available is not completely accurate.

If you aren't fussy about colour then you can walk in and get one. Its also dealer dependent.

Smoke Pursuit · 06-07-2023, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

When the day finally comes and all vehicles are fully autonomous what will "carriage" manufacturers do to differentiate themselves....why would you pay triple for a BMW carriage over an MG carriage when all you have to do is sit back and remember to get out when you reach your destination....

There will be a shift to leasing / hire whereby the manufacturers own them, you just pay a subscription for the use. How far that goes is anyone's guess. It could get to the point where we all just rely on an uber type service and these cars just live on the road.

I personally wouldn't like to be a part of this model and share a car with anyone else.

roKWiz · 06-07-2023, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

If you thought the proliferation of SUVs was annoying, wait til the must-have vehicle is a Winnebago....

Prevost in the US.

**DFB FGXR6** · 06-07-2023, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hackney

Would not be surprised if they are made up by massive fleet sales(Car Rental companies etc…).You see an awful lot of them around as rentals.

When Toyota, Mitsubishi, Kia and Hyundai abandoned the "cheap" car, it was a formality that a Chinese company would fill the void, both in the fleet/rental market and the private buyer market.

hackney · 06-07-2023, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

When Toyota, Mitsubishi, Kia and Hyundai abandoned the "cheap" car, it was a formality that a Chinese company would fill the void, both in the fleet/rental market and the private buyer market.

Hertz still purchase/lease an enormous amount of Corolla’s,they are the backbone of their fleet. Toyota’s in general make up quite a bit of the fleet.

b0son · 06-07-2023, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Prevost in the US.

Haha. It's no surprise their slogan is 'all roads have led to this'

jpd80 · 07-07-2023, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Warehouse charges are the least of their worries. They have giant factories that have a lot of fixed overheads, that need to be producing in order to cover those costs. Right now, there is a degree of withholding stock to maintain premium pricing, and a lot of consumers itching to spend regardless of prices asked. That wont last forever. Rates rising and businesses slowing down, means the buyer becomes limited by access to credit and the cost of that credit, rather than the dealer's access to stock.

Over the past decade, Ford has found that a lot of those so called “fixed overheads” can in fact be considered variable if managed that way. A lot of those plants now have supply contracts negotiated with penalty clauses and labour contracts now have stand down provisions for varying wages, lectric power is variable on power consumed, local taxes paid are variable, the list goes on…

Just in time building only works when you have a stable supplier base that isn’t constantly being affected by external factors like covid interruptions as is the case with Chinese suppliers.

The warehousing charges I speak of are a factor with other goods and medicines supplied to Australia as dependant on constant shipping and supply from overseas manufacturers. Prior to 2020, a lot of those imported goods and medicines were supplied in greater amounts and stored in warehouses to avoid the ebb and flow of stock we see today.

A lot of home buyers are still on fixed interest some are on those rates for up to the next three years, so while some will have interest rate shock, many will avoid that.

We need to stop looking at monthly car sales numbers as an indication of sales achieved last month and recognise that it’s more about just delivering and registering vehicles that have been ‘sold’ months in advance, some models are six months wait others are well over a year or two away.

jpd80 · 07-07-2023, 11:12 PM

Sorry, does anyone have Everest sales figures for last month?

GT1533 · 08-07-2023, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Sorry, does anyone have Everest sales figures for last month?

1153 units

**DFB FGXR6** · 08-07-2023, 09:16 PM

Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape – 327
Ford Everest – 1153
Ford Fiesta – 7
Ford Focus – 2
Ford Mustang – 276
Ford Puma – 183
Ford Ranger 4x2 – 439
Ford Ranger 4x4 – 4895
Ford Transit Bus – 0
Ford Transit Custom – 427
Ford Transit Heavy – 44
Ford Total – 7753

Those Transit numbers came out of nowhere!

Franco Cozzo · 08-07-2023, 09:24 PM

Ford Puma numbers still laughably low, and Escape seems to be doing well given its been discontinued - fulfilling existing orders?

jpd80 · 09-07-2023, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Ford Puma numbers still laughably low, and Escape seems to be doing well given its been discontinued - fulfilling existing orders?

I would suspect so since supply from Europe seems to be a dribble these days…..
Pity Ford wouldn’t ship redundant manufacturing equipment to Thailand, Focus
and Fiesta would do well in our region with the right models and accessory mix.

Such a shame that Ford won’t entertain RHD manufacture of LHD models like the
Bronco Sport and Maverick Ute, those two would probably be good sellers in our
market as well as New Zealand and South Africa.

But there I go dreaming again……

b0son · 09-07-2023, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Such a shame that Ford won’t entertain RHD manufacture of LHD models like the
Bronco Sport and Maverick Ute, those two would probably be good sellers in our
market as well as New Zealand and South Africa.

And risk cannibalising ranger/everest sales? I'm surprised they're not pitching a SWB ranger with the tray lopped off as their small car.

anobserver · 09-07-2023, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

And risk cannibalising ranger/everest sales? I'm surprised they're not pitching a SWB ranger with the tray lopped off as their small car.

simon varley · 09-07-2023, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Those Transit numbers came out of nowhere!

its a bloody good van and a real alternative to a Ranger for lugging stuff around

Franco Cozzo · 09-07-2023, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

its a bloody good van and a real alternative to a Ranger for lugging stuff around

Current generation (VO?) was a huge leap forward compared to the previous generation.

Sprintey · 09-07-2023, 11:59 PM

Can our CGI masters do Ranger as a hatchback, and Ranger as a coupe SUV?

And why is the Yaris Cross styling so confronting? Any one like it?

XR Martin · 10-07-2023, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Can our CGI masters do Ranger as a hatchback, and Ranger as a coupe SUV?

And why is the Yaris Cross styling so confronting? Any one like it?

I'd love a Yaris Cross with the GR drivetrain, be a fun little offroader.

anobserver · 10-07-2023, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Can our CGI masters do Ranger as a hatchback, and Ranger as a coupe SUV?

And why is the Yaris Cross styling so confronting? Any one like it?

Ranger coupe:

Ranger hatch: (like an updated Everest)

Escape:

naddis01 · 10-07-2023, 11:57 AM

Sales of 4×4 utes in Australia January to June 2023:

Ford Ranger – 23,620
Toyota Hilux – 21,808
Isuzu D-Max – 10,787
Mazda BT-50 – 7866
Mitsubishi Triton – 7354
GWM Ute – 5291
Toyota LandCruiser 70 – 5052
LDV T60 – 4822
Ram 1500 – 3697
Nissan Navara – 3474
Volkswagen Amarok – 2202
Ssangyong Musso – 2036
Chevrolet Silverado – 1015
Chevrolet Silverado HD – 553
Jeep Gladiator – 467
RAM 2500 – 423
RAM 3500 – 36

Franco Cozzo · 10-07-2023, 12:24 PM

American utes aren't going too badly, add in Silverado and RAM 1500 together and it's close to VDJ79 numbers which is in the same price bracket.

**Giant Cranium** · 10-07-2023, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

American utes aren't going too badly, add in Silverado and RAM 1500 together and it's close to VDJ79 numbers which is in the same price bracket.

Read the comment section on car expert about American utes. So many but hurt people over others wanting a car that size

I had a bloke at work complain about them and that a smaller car would do the job. I asked what car him and his wife drove as it’s just the two of them. He said a rav 4. I told him that they should only need a Yaris and they are taking up too much room on the road. He just walked away