The Moffat Coupes. - Page 2

Pinkbits · 29-12-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Coupe de Car

I actually want to replicat the Xb #1 ATCC 1976, but just looking it also had verticals, my XB coupe has Horizontals (some body cutting mods required) see my coupe image at ***http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/y...rama031.jpg***

The link states that the image has been removed or deleted

Coupe de Car · 30-12-2009, 12:03 AM

OK sorry new at this, so put it via photobucket, Cheers

Tha Jack · 30-12-2009, 01:31 PM

I just noticed it doesnt have a brake booster and the master cylinder is totally different to a normal falcon one.
Does any one know how the brake set up on the Moffat Coupe works?

Cheers Jack

xalent · 30-12-2009, 02:37 PM

It works by using a strong right (or left depending on the situation) leg. Brake boosters really have no home in proper race cars, one less thing to fail, and most believe a better pedal feel is achieved by its deletion.

CoupeCruiser09 · 30-12-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Coupe de Car

OK sorry new at this, so put it via photobucket, Cheers

What's the specs on your car? XB GS, Year? Paint Code?
Will

CoupeCruiser09 · 30-12-2009, 11:50 PM

B52 in Thorn Red livery #2 went on to all but win the 76 ATCC, before the Adelaide transporter fire. Almost need to count John Goss' loaned XB that Moffat went on to secure the 76 ATCC as a part of the Moffat Coupe history...

gtxb67 · 31-12-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Coupe de Car

I actually want to replicat the Xb #1 ATCC 1976

the number 1 xb was first used in 1977 wasn't it
the number 2 thorn red car was used for most of the atcc (as coupecruiser stated) with the goss car used in adelaide
the moffat ford dealers man-champ car was number 9 and was used for at least sandown and bathurst
the xb's were used for the 77 atcc and then were face lifted to xc panels for the man-champ series later that year

andre3000 · 07-06-2012, 07:11 PM

Sorry to drag up an old thread. But does anyone have any photos or information in regards to the interior of the moffat xa coupe? What seats he ran etc? Thanks in advance.

**Mesa** · 24-07-2012, 03:25 PM

Does anyone have pics of the transporters Adelaide fire and aftermath?? I'm curios to see how much of the car was left.

Neale · 06-09-2012, 11:42 PM

Heres a pic from Auto Action of the real coupes at the mountain in preparation for October

KW XRT · 07-09-2012, 12:54 AM

Whats the story on the finish did Bond give it to Moffat

gtxb67 · 07-09-2012, 07:21 AM

no - they were always going to do a form finish. they were always going to complete the last few laps together and that is what they did
the last lap was completed faster than the previous laps when moff was waiting for bond, so if the car was so crippled and unable to go faster, why would they have gone faster on the last lap
and finally, while bond was not likely to have been allowed to pass, the closest racing car was over a lap behind. why if moff's car was in a terminal condition, did they not slow down even more to make sure of finishing the race

no one short of moff himself can say for sure how bad his car was, but the facts do point towards moff slowing down much more than he had to, so bond could catch up. that way they would do not only the formation finish but complete the last few laps together to gain maximum exposure in the only race that mattered . . . . and give holden executives recurring nightmares that last to this day

neptune blue · 14-09-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gtxb67

no - they were always going to do a form finish. they were always going to complete the last few laps together and that is what they did
the last lap was completed faster than the previous laps when moff was waiting for bond, so if the car was so crippled and unable to go faster, why would they have gone faster on the last lap
and finally, while bond was not likely to have been allowed to pass, the closest racing car was over a lap behind. why if moff's car was in a terminal condition, did they not slow down even more to make sure of finishing the race
no one short of moff himself can say for sure how bad his car was, but the facts do point towards moff slowing down much more than he had to, so bond could catch up. that way they would do not only the formation finish but complete the last few laps together to gain maximum exposure in the only race that mattered . . . . and give holden executives recurring nightmares that last to this day

Also interesting to note that the commentary team of the day had written the Moffat car off saying that it couldnt finish the race

As we all know not only did he finish, but he finished "with style"

crykieaus · 14-09-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BluFGXR6

Does anyone have pics of the transporters Adelaide fire and aftermath?? I'm curios to see how much of the car was left.

What was left of the car was outside the main gate at the 1976 sandown hang ten 400.it was just a rusty burnt out shell with no running gear. they were cutting it up with an oxy torch etc and selling the bits for charity.i arrived just in time to see a guy buy the front springs and watch em cut the roof off...cheers

4stanger · 15-09-2012, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by neptune blue

Also interesting to note that the commentary team of the day had written the Moffat car off saying that it couldnt finish the race

As we all know not only did he finish, but he finished "with style"

I have read some time ago and can't remember where. That there was a story that Jackie Ickx pumped out some good lap times during his stint, when he didn't need to and the front brakes were well worned, this could be the reason that Moff's cat had some intermitent smoke coming from the fronts near the end of the race.
I have got the recently released DVD of the race. I agree Moff had the race well under control and allowed Bond to catch up, most races during the 1977 ATCC they finished 1st & 2nd, Were these formed finishes aswell?

gtxb67 · 15-09-2012, 10:27 AM

correct, the problem on moff's car was a front right?? brake. it was because when ickx drove his stint, he caned the car instead of cruising around in the lunch time stint. for sure his lap times were more than impressive, which is why moff had to slow down so much for bond. moff and bond were fairly evenly matched in their stints, but ickx blew alan hamilton away - no doubt in part to the fact that hamilton had read the script

from memory there were five 1-2 form finishes and one 2-1 form finish. it makes me laugh when morons actually seem to believe that they were not going to do the 1-2 at the only race that matters . . . and therefore think that is the only reason bond did not pass moff

it is also worth remembering that moff drove around the place without brakes previously and was fairly fast - in 1972, he drove around quarter/half the race with his rear brakes sometimes working well, sometimes working bad and sometimes not working at all. i know that it was a different car, and it was a front brake this time, but if anyone could have got the car home it was moff. the only real question was whether the top loader would have lasted - and it did

4stanger · 15-09-2012, 05:02 PM

Thanks GTXB67. It might have been one of your posts where I read about the Jackie Ickx caning the brakes.
After watching the DVD, he (Ickx) sure was pushing through his stint and probably had a few near misses with lapped traffic (some that wasn't shown on the DVD) Commentators mentioned the pit boards were out to tell Ickx to 'back off', Moffat was praising at the podium that he (Ickx) was lapping in the 2 minutes 28 seconds bracket, doesn't compare to the qualifying times, but for his first time at Bathurst, he was doing these times with a tired car on tired rubber during a midday stint with lapped traffic to contend with!
I thought he did pretty well, along with Geoff Brabham with his late stint.

Interceptor'85 · 25-11-2013, 02:01 PM

Gday guys,

Does anyone know the specs of what tyre and rim sizes Moffat was running at the rear and weather they made any undercarriage modifications to fit them?

neptune blue · 25-11-2013, 05:01 PM

Jump on this build thread
The short answer is yes there are a number of modifications required to fit the massive race tyres
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11371275

RedHotGT · 25-11-2013, 05:54 PM

I've got some pics of the Bathurst 1-2 cars together for the first time in YEARS....

xxx000 · 25-11-2013, 09:15 PM

ok we're waiting....

greenjgs · 26-11-2013, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Interceptor'85

Gday guys,

Does anyone know the specs of what tyre and rim sizes Moffat was running at the rear and weather they made any undercarriage modifications to fit them?

THe tyre sizes are Front, 25-11/15 and rear 27-11/15 on 10" rims I'm not sure how he got the fronts on because he told me the front guards were not flared, maybe special control arms, who knows. However you can see in the build thread what it took to get them on my car.

The front tyres are the same as what they ran on the rear of the A9X, rears are pretty close to NASCAR tyre size. (NASCAR is now on 27.5-12/15).

Hope this helps

Interceptor'85 · 27-11-2013, 07:08 PM

I'm trying to figure out if I can fit 15 inch wide tyres onto the rear of an XA Coupe.

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Originally Posted by neptune blue

Jump on this build thread
The short answer is yes there are a number of modifications required to fit the massive race tyres
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11371275

Excellent thread! That's amazing effort!

Would love to see those photos RedHotGT

Thanks for those details GreenJGS, much appreciated.

greenjgs · 28-11-2013, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Interceptor'85

I'm trying to figure out if I can fit 15 inch wide tyres onto the rear of an XA Coupe.

Excellent thread! That's amazing effort!

Would love to see those photos RedHotGT

Thanks for those details GreenJGS, much appreciated.

No worries. You'll struggle to get 15" wide tyres under there without serious mods, the problem becomes the leaf springs. When the slicks are cold they were rubbing on the springs, even though there is 25mm of clearance when parked. Moffat had 45mm wide springs in the car rather than the standard 70mm wide. You'll need to push the qtrs out as well. a big job but if the car is not painted yet not impossible

4stanger · 30-11-2013, 05:22 PM

Check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p9x8Xl0Meg
Enjoy.

xax2 · 04-03-2014, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan289

Bathurst Museum is certainly the correct car, as "given" to them by Moffat. It's providence is unquestionable, even tho the whole rear quarter panel reflector issue has been challenging for some over the years. It is not quite how it finished the race in '77 but it is certainly the car Moffat raced from operation phoenix till the end of 1979 in Federation Livery.

Our car (Bond #2) is pretty interesting, one of two special lightweight race shells delivered to Moffat in late '76, both built up together and one sold to become the Everlast car, now in another collection in Qld.

The Bond car has no stamps or ID marks, other than the self stamped number which was applied by the Moffat team. There are numerous modifications all over the car, quite a few more than our original untouched Goss coupe from the same period. Bond raced this car in Moffat Dealer team colours and then later in Cobra XC colours. It was sold in 1979 and the driveline was removed and replaced with that from a road going XD V8 owned by Christine Cole. It lived for a long time after that in a collection in SA. We acquired the car a few years ago and it has been slowly getting put back to how it ran at Bathurst in '77. Running gear is now the the spare from Moffat's federation XD, which had the driveline from the Federation XC....

When I get time I will sit down and compile what we know and write an article for our new website, its a huge and fantastic story, just need to get the car finished first.

Great pics, a few I have not seen, if anyone has any more of the Bond car in Ford dealer or Cobra livery, I really would love to see them, please post here or email to me dan@bowdensown.com.au

Sorry if I do not reply to any questions that promptly, we are busy getting ready for MCM next week. Hope to see a few of your there.

Cheers,
Dan

Only just found this thread.....good reading!
Maybe another small piece of the puzzle.... I was looking to buy an XA-XC Coupe in the early '90's and saw one advertised for Auction at Shannons. I went along on the day and the description was that it had been the #2 car in the famous Bathurst 1-2 finish. It was in Cobra livery, but they had a photo of it in Moffat Dealer colours as the famous #2. It was minus its race running gear, but otherwise complete. Was certainly not pristine up close "but every part the race car". My father was with me at the time and said "what would you want with that, you couldn't register it!" I stood there as it went for $14,000 at auction !! Ah...what could have been!

Coupe de Car · 22-08-2018, 11:01 PM

Can someone please tell me
1) what wheel type size and width did Moffat run on the.XA,B,C coupe. We're they Meals Wheels or Simmons?
2) what tyre size front and back.
Much appreciated.

Vesper Martini · 23-08-2018, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Coupe de Car

Can someone please tell me
1) what wheel type size and width did Moffat run on the.XA,B,C coupe. We're they Meals Wheels or Simmons?
2) what tyre size front and back.
Much appreciated.

see post 52 above for the size.

mick taylor · 23-08-2018, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Coupe de Car

Can someone please tell me
1) what wheel type size and width did Moffat run on the.XA,B,C coupe. We're they Meals Wheels or Simmons?
2) what tyre size front and back.
Much appreciated.

BBS Wheels 15x10 all round.
Tyres 25-11/15 front
27-11/15 rear

XC_Lizzard · 23-08-2018, 10:32 PM

The BBS wheels were what was used on the Project Phoenix XB(s) and the XCs, Brut 33 and City Ford ran the minilite/superlite wheels, and the 73 XA ran Mawer 5 spokes.