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Old 14-06-2018, 08:21 PM   #61
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Cant see it doing well with the petrol motor

Look at the y62 patrol with no diesel option - almost giving them away and barely seen a handful on the road
Because many Australians still think paying 10k extra on the purchase price then paying more on service costs to save less than 1k on fuel a year is a good idea. Then they sell it after a few years before they even break even on buying a diesel.

That's not even taking into account what repairs cost for a blown turbo or new injectors or replacing the DPF because you only drove around town for a month.

Diesels have some great benefits. That doesn't mean they will cost less to run in the short term.


On actual topic I would buy this over an XClass any day of the week. Finally saw an X Class for the first time last week and it looked weird. They have strange proportions. I think full size pickups like the Ram have a much nicer look.
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Old 14-06-2018, 08:29 PM   #62
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Those V8 Nissan Patrols are monsters, the fact something that heavy does 0-100 in 6.6 seconds is hilarious.
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Old 14-06-2018, 09:50 PM   #63
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No way in hell one of those is gonna be sipping fuel at 9.9l... That's fantasy land figures.
yep, around town it will be over 20lph
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yep, around town it will be over 20lph
My Caprice does 17.5L/100km on the highway and my 1981 F100 did 35L/100km and it ran dry and stopped on the side of the highway after managing a whole 170km.

I'm seeing a lot of 'fuel hungry yank tank' rather than 'current generation American ute 57% more efficient than previous generation competitors giving significant green credentials validating RAM's ISO 140001 accreditation and commitment to a cleaner world' ;)
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No way in hell one of those is gonna be sipping fuel at 9.9l... That's fantasy land figures.
I think its possible if one doesn't hold it flat everywhere.
Friends of ours has an older 2013 model with the six speed and he gets 800km to its 100l tank although his commuting is mostly motorway.

Last time I was in the states I had an Expedition with the EB V6 and 6 speed auto, averaged 19.7 mpg (11.9 l/100km) over around 4000 miles and if I wasn't doing 75-90 mph down the interstates it was been used in towns/cities. In Aus @ 110kmh it would drop under 10 l/100km.

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My Caprice does 17.5L/100km on the highway and my 1981 F100 did 35L/100km and it ran dry and stopped on the side of the highway after managing a whole 170km.

I'm seeing a lot of 'fuel hungry yank tank' rather than 'current generation American ute 57% more efficient than previous generation competitors giving significant green credentials validating RAM's ISO 140001 accreditation and commitment to a cleaner world' ;)
My 10 year old VE SS wagon 6.0L will do under 10L/100km on a highway trip, and sits on 11.8L/100km with mixed driving. Thatís a 2 tonne wagon with 2 valve heads and pushrods, and I donít drive it like a grandma either.

I donít see why a modern engine couldnít beat this, even if a little heavier and less aerodynamic.
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Finally saw an X Class for the first time last week and it looked weird. They have strange proportions. I think full size pickups like the Ram have a much nicer look.
I reckon all those TTT 4 wheel drive, 4 door utes look weird at least these are proportioned to the wheelbase.
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I'm in Houston TX this week.
Never seen so many 'yank tanks' in one place before.

Many of them have aftermarket wheels and suspension kits.

The worst thing is that 90% of them has one person in them, no load, on their way to their office jobs, and battling through rush hour traffic.

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I'm in Houston TX this week.
Never seen so many 'yank tanks' in one place before.

Many of them have aftermarket wheels and suspension kits.

The worst thing is that 90% of them has one person in them, no load, on their way to their office jobs, and battling through rush hour traffic.

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Sounds just like here.
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Sounds just like here.
Spot on. At least the tank gear gets moving and sounds good when you put your foot down... unlike the small capacity wheezing diesels polluting our roads that would get trumped by a pov spec VW gold from the lights.
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Old 15-06-2018, 08:10 PM   #71
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My Caprice does 17.5L/100km on the highway and my 1981 F100 did 35L/100km and it ran dry and stopped on the side of the highway after managing a whole 170km.

I'm seeing a lot of 'fuel hungry yank tank' rather than 'current generation American ute 57% more efficient than previous generation competitors giving significant green credentials validating RAM's ISO 140001 accreditation and commitment to a cleaner world' ;)
17.5 on the highway? What were you in second gear the whole time or was there a leak in the tank?

I used to have a 300c with the 5.7L hemi.
On the highway I would get low 7's and about 13 around town.
I know the Ram is heavier and less aerodynamic, but I would hope they have made the engine more efficient in the past 12 years since my 300c was built.

If I got 7s on the highway he hen I can't see why a Ram wouldn't get 9.9 now.

My numbers were based of the trip computer, but when I checked it at the pump a few times it was always pretty close to the trip computer number. Around town I was even using 0.5L less than the computer said when I checked
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17.5 on the highway? What were you in second gear the whole time or was there a leak in the tank?
Go for a ride with Mr Cozzo, I have. You'll soon work out how he obtains the excellent fuel consumption
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Yay more over sized soccer mum trucks. I remember a time when you used to be able to see in front of the Ford or Holden ute ahead of you
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My 10 year old VE SS wagon 6.0L will do under 10L/100km on a highway trip, and sits on 11.8L/100km with mixed driving. Thatís a 2 tonne wagon with 2 valve heads and pushrods, and I donít drive it like a grandma either.

I donít see why a modern engine couldnít beat this, even if a little heavier and less aerodynamic.
My old VT2 Gen 3 did 7.9L/100 on the highway. A true combined average of about 13.3. Not bad, but the chassis was a piece of **** and had more power than it was really designed for. Not a lot of power by todayís standards though.
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If F150 had the Range Rover's 4.4 V8 diesel, I think that could attract top end truck buyers.
in our market, you really need a strong diesel in a bigger truck to attract enough buyers.
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FINALLY a dual cab ute with a decent rear tray size!
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You might be surprised. They are becoming popular with some grey nomads. A lot cheaper than the series 200 Landcruiser, fuel economy similar to them towing and a lot better payload. You might be surprised the number of Landcriser owners selling 200 series and buying Y62 Patrol and very happy they changed.
When the Series 300 comes out soon it has been reported that it will only be available in a petrol(probably 5.7 ltrs) and the Ram and Patrol will be on par with the Toyota.
Tending to agree with this: NA petrol in the 4wd wagon with far reduced servicing costs, and more reliable units. No 1K injectors, no dust blowing into it and stuffing it, no add blue, no sulphur requirements, and you get all that torque and nice linear response. Auto + petrol grunt on sand is fun!

So there's the Patrol, the 4.6 URJ Toyota petrol V8, now this.

A real opportunity for Ford US here to make Ford Oz lineup great again!
(F150, F250, Explorer, Expedition, and that gorgeous Lincoln Aviator too.)
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So explain this to me.

In the US on a 2018 Ram, the RamBoxes is a $1295 USD option.
On the new 2019 Ram ( that we dont get yet) it has been reduced to a $995 USD option.


Yet on the Australian import it is $4400 AUD option. And they dont need any left to right hand converison. So why the obvious money grab on this option to the australian Rams....
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Ive also heard of one long term Landcruiser owner going to a petrol Landcruiser, as diesels have gotten too complex and expensive to fix. Money isnt an issue for this person but its the reliability as there are some issues with modern diesels now.
This.

Diesels are great for long haul or heavy loads or both.

Yes the petrol versions use more fuel, but they are cheaper to run in every other way. And if your stop start, modern diesels with EGR & DPF are a disaster. Anything less than 25,000 km per annum and there is no benefit.


If your were set on a RAM you for towing youcould always pay the extra and get a 2500 with the Cummins diesel.
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If F150 had the Range Rover's 4.4 V8 diesel, I think that could attract top end truck buyers.
in our market, you really need a strong diesel in a bigger truck to attract enough buyers.
No real advantage to the 4.4. Itís not significant less costly to produce than a 6.7. No real fuel economy advantage. Maybe a tiny bit. Thatís why FCA rejected the 5.0L V8 Cummins that went to Nissan. I suppose if you were going to sell the F150 in a particular market without offering the F250, then the 4.4 could make sense.
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